Wlad Klitsch.

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  1. White Shogun

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    In case you missed it, Wladimir Klitschko knocked out formerly undefeated Cuban boxer Eliseo Castillo in the 4th round.
     
  2. Kaptain

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    This is the first time I have gotten to see one of his fights. He made Castillo look like a child. Chris Byrd was supposed to fight him instead of Castillo but chickened out. I don't think Byrd gained any courage by watching this fight. I thinkWlad can beat anybody now and very easily. He used his height very well last night and peppered Castillo with jabs. although he once lacked the ring savy to survive in tough situations, I believe that that is a skill that is very learnable. Thomas Hearns, for example, learned to survive tough rounds late in his career. Wlad is only 29 and I can now see how people once thought that he was even better than his brother. I think in the end he will be champion longer than his brother. Godking, bring on the next great black hope!
     
  3. White Shogun

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    Hey Poop

    I really do believe something was done to Wlad in his match with Lamon
    Brewster. I noted to my friends during the fight that something was
    wrong with him, he looked like he was suffering from heat exhaustion,
    something for which I've been trained to recognize and
    treat.



    I think Byrd knows he lost his last two fights, and I think he knew
    Wlad would beat his ass again. Going to be hard for either of
    them to get fights with any of the top contenders, IMO.
     
  4. dkr77

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    Klitschko certainly seems to have all the tools needed to be a dominant force in the heavyweight division today. Great jab and a devastating right. At one time I thought the same about Golota. I guess only time will tell.
     
  5. Kaptain

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    Hey Shogun,


    Do you know the details of the alleged drugging. Who did they say did it and how? He did look like he culd barely keep his eyes open even in between rounds.
     
  6. JD074

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    He looked very smooth, patient, and composed against a guy
    who fought like he was fearing for his life! So the question is
    how he responds when he gets challenged. How will his chin,
    composure, defense, and stamina hold up? His brother can
    clearly take a punch, as we saw in the Lewis and Sanders
    fights. Wlad has to prove himself against respected fighters,
    and I hope he does so.
     
  7. White Shogun

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    Poop,

    the most interesting description of what happened occured the night of
    the fight, when the allegation surfaced that a new trainer had rubbed
    down Wladimir's entire body with vaseline just before the fight.
    Lampley and others discussed the effects such treatment would have on a
    fighter, with heat exhaustion being the primary result because the body
    cannot release all the body heat generated during the fight.



    After the figtht, Klitschko's attorney requested a government
    investigation into possible poisoning or drugging, based on a couple of
    things: the loss of a pass to Klitschko's training area, and the
    destruction of blood and urine samples that should have been kept for
    up to 14 days after the fight. Most boxing writers and fans write off
    such allegations as so much whining on the part of the Klitschko's,
    although the theft / loss of the pass hasn't been determined, and
    blaming the destruction of the samples on the failure of the Klitschko
    camp to request independent testing in a timely fashion, on the
    requisite paperwork. In addition, Wladimir's prior loss to
    Ross Purity appeared very similar to this one, because of sheer
    exhaustion.



    Another writer said that Wladimir had a "panic attack," suffering all
    the physical symptoms of such attack but necessarily the mental ones.



    Either way, he didn't look well in the loss to Brewster, and based on
    his prior performances, e.g. againt Chris Byrd, Lamon Brewster should
    have been a walk in the park.



    p.s. If anybody else has info or rumors regarding this topic,
    please post. I'd be interested, as I'm sure Kaptain Poop would also.
    Thanks.


    Edited by: White Shogun
     
  8. speedster

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    I thought it was a good workman like effort put on by Wlady on Saturday night.Pretty impressive they way he was able to control most of the fight just useing the left,the hook off of the jab.In the third he was able to find a home for the right,which ultimately ended the fight in the next round.Wlady showed ring generalship in there,he was the boss.In a fight like this,Wlady can't win.If he wins the fight like he did,his critics will knock the opponent,if Castillo put up a fight,the knock on Wlady would be that he couldn't easily beat a secound rater.As far as stamina goes,Wlady can go the distance,he's proven that,his problem is when he gets hit with a decent shot,he gets flusterd and tense,he needs to relax and try to work through it.I don't doubt Byrd chickened out in fighting Wlady,the last time they fought Byrd was totally outclassed.Wlady scored two knockdowns and pitched a near shutout in going the full 12 to win the WBO title.We shall see what the future holds but I think he will be just fine.
     
  9. onewarrior5

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    I am a moderator who partly runs the Klitschko site at www.klitschko.com and I know for a fact that Wladimir Klitschko was drugged against Brewster.I know how he was drugged and who was behind the evil deed.The FBI is still investigating the situation.They have video proof of someone unauthorized in Wlad's Dressing room prior to his fight against Brewster.I cant go much into detail because of legal stipulations but I know why he was drugged,who was behind it and the reason for it.Wladimir Klitschko went into a diabetic coma after the fight and he couldnt talk .His lips turned blue.His whole body became paralyzed.The bigots are afraid of Wlad because he is young and powerful enough to rule the heavyweight division for a very long time.Wladimir Klitschko is so powerful that he can become the first billion athlete ever.He is young,talented,rich,intelligent etc. The bigots are trying to destroy his career.Like Vitali klitschko said there was a outside influence as to what happend to wlad against brewster.the klitschkos have beefed up their security so the drugging doesnt occur again.wlad does not have a stamina problem.he went 12 rounds full speed against byrd and he was fine.remember after the drugging everyone in wlad's camp had to take a lie detector test.Vitali made everyone take it with the help from the FBI and one person failed it and that persons name is Joe Souza.Vitali kicked his ass out of camp.I also obtained the letter that Mr. Judd Berstein wrote to Congress regarding the situation.I wish I can tell you more but for now I cannot.
     
  10. Colonel_Reb

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    I hope Vlad does well in the future. Those guys are doing a lot to reintegrate the heavyweight division. Now if they can only unify the belt.
     
  11. ironfist

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    Notice how Wlad was viciously attackedby the anti-white bigoted American media just for saying he might have been drugged and he just wanted to knowwhat happened.
     
  12. Bart

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    I am not really a boxing fan anymore, though as a kid I loved the sport and read everything available. I read an interesting interview with Gil Clancy speaking of various fighters like Quarry, Cooney, Foreman, Ali, De LaHoya and some old timers. Any way he briefly gets into the Klitschko fight and how weird the finish was.


    http://www.fightbeat.com/garfields/galento.php


    GC: Lamon Brewster, he really didn't win that fight. The other guy lost the fight. I mean, he was losing the fight by a mile, Brewster. Klitschko just couldn't walk. He was dead tired.


    ZL: What do you attribute that to, Klitschko's collapse?


    GC: The only thing it could have been was nerves. That's the only thing I can say, unless he was doped, and I don't want to say that. Edited by: Bart
     
  13. onewarrior5

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    Wladimir Klitschko made castillo look like a lost deer on a highway.
     
  14. ironfist

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    Wlad looked like somebody on thorizine in round five of the Brewster fight. Don King and Brewster's manager Hollywood marxist Sam Simom were behind the drugging. I hope the Klitschkos learned a lesson from this. Being from another country they had no idea the white man is under attack in America. Edited by: ironfist
     

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