Will Tebow be allowed to play in NFL?

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This question might be preposterous, but I do not pay attention to NCAA football.

What will NFL people say to Tim when he goes into the draft? That he is not good enough at throwing to be a quarterback? That if he wants to play NFL football, he should get used to the idea of playing receiver, or even worse, fullback? I remember last year, NFL scouts were already saying he projects as a fullback.
 

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If Dennis Dixon can be drafted as a QB after ACL surgery, playing in a similar spread offence and having only 1 year of productivity, Tebow will be a QB
 

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nevada, he won the Heisman last year and is a serious contender for it again this year. I doubt anyone said he would be a FB after his Heisman win. Tebow will be an NFL QB. You must not watch any college football to ask a question like that.
 

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nevada, he won the Heisman last year and is a serious contender for it again this year. I doubt anyone said he would be a FB after his Heisman win. Tebow will be an NFL QB. You must not watch any college football to ask a question like that.

I don't watch very much college football either, but I've certainly seen enough NFL football to know why nevada would ask that question. Wasn't Eric Crouch also a Heisman trophy winner? We all know how that worked out.

Regardless of how good he is, I don't trust the NFL to give any white player a fair shot.
 

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Eric was also a pure running QB who all butinsisted on being such in the NFL. I doubt that Tim will insist on being a running QB in the NFL like Eric did.He is already beginning the transformation to being a more traditional QB. Although I'd love to see him be a running QB in the NFL, I know that won't happen. He'll be forced into playing the traditional QB role.
 

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Tim Tebow is twice the player Eric Crouch is. His talent is undeniable even to the drunk white fan we often talk about here. He will get a fair shot at the NFL because if he doesn't too many eyes will be opened because of it. Just please stay healthy and maybe enter the NFL draft after this season.
 

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If he is not allowed to play, it would potentially be the ultimate caste crookedness of all time. I really don't believe there is any way they can keep him out as QB unless something unfortunate like a catastrophic injury occurs this year and he were to come back as a senior and struggle badly. If not, someone will definitely want to give him a shot at QB since you can never have enough young ones with his potential. I think the biggest question regarding Tebow will be how much time he is given to adjust to the difference in the NFL and college. I think it is a good thing he is becoming a more traditional QB for the Gators right now, because it will absolutely be necessary in the NFL. The NFL or the MSM would never allow a run first white QB to potentially succeed where all the blacks have failed, and it is highly suspect that run first QB's can ever truly succeed longterm in the NFL. If he tried, they would give him the worst caste treatment of any QB in NFL history. I think being a traditional QB who has the added benefit of great mobility, would make him twice as dangerous like a Steve Young or John Elway. Tebow is going to be under tremendous caste pressure either way, because of his athleticism. From what I have seen of him, he just may have the moxy to not only get through it, but use it to his advantage.Edited by: Bear Backer
 

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Tim Tebow is twice the player Eric Crouch is."


This is definately not true. If anything, Tebow is bigger, stronger, and tougher than Crouch was, that's about it. I'd say their throwing ability is pretty equal. However, I really think Crouch was a better overall athlete. Crouch was certainly faster and quicker than Tebow. Whatever, they are two of the best running QB's in NCAA history.

I dont mean to cause an argument...because we'll never know anyway, as Crouch got the "Matt Jones treatment". That's why Nevada asked this question....because the GM's, coaches, jock-sniffing writers, and fans LOATHE athletic, white running QB's (gee, I wonder why?).
 
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As soon as Tebow won the Heisman, and I mean IMMEDIATELY, NFL scouts started saying he would make a good fullback in the NFL.

I see that he does not exactly bomb other good NCAA teams with 300 yards in the air every game. Hence my question, about whether he will get the Crouch treatment.
 

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Maybe you are correct nevada, and I am being unrealistically optimistic. I guess we'll see, but he's just a junior. Lets see what happens over the next year or so.
 

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this, i feel, is a very astute question by nevada.

i, too, recall the comments that posited Tebow would have to play fullback if he wanted to make it at the next level. i also seem to recall mention of tight end, as well.
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with the caste system being what it is, no vile or nonsensical treatment towards a gifted white athlete should be too awful for us to expect at this point.

as for the comparison of Tebow to Crouch, they are two very different types of runners. Tebow is much stronger and is built much heavier than Crouch. Crouch was slimmer, faster, and more elusive than Tebow is. Tebow runs much like Csonka used to whereas Crouch ran like adrian peterson of current Vikings fame. i think Tebow has the stronger throwing arm, as well, though neither quarterback is particularly strong fundamentally throwing the ball and both could easily improve their accuracy with coaching.

as for who is tougher, man. i'm thinking it is 1 and 1A. both of those guys play(ed) all out.

just my two cents.
 

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Tebow has more size than Crouch for the NFL QB position and a stronger arm. Eric Crouch=Mike Vick with more accuracy and better at making his reads, but less of an arm.

Crouch could have made a decent NFL QB, but I think Tebow could be a Pro-Bowl type once when you add in his running dimension. Tebow and Crouch are pretty equal with their game management skills. We shall see; Tebow will get his shot b/c if they deny him it would expose the caste system to any drunken fan with an IQ over 75.
 
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Crouch couldn't hold Tebow's jock strap. As a senior Crouch only threw for 7 TD's while throwing 10 picks. He could not have ever made the pros as a passer.
 

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Thrashen said:
Tim Tebow is twice the player Eric Crouch is."


This is definately not true. If anything, Tebow is bigger, stronger, and tougher than Crouch was, that's about it. I'd say their throwing ability is pretty equal. However, I really think Crouch was a better overall athlete. Crouch was certainly faster and quicker than Tebow. Whatever, they are two of the best running QB's in NCAA history.

I dont mean to cause an argument...because we'll never know anyway, as Crouch got the "Matt Jones treatment". That's why Nevada asked this question....because the GM's, coaches, jock-sniffing writers, and fans LOATHE athletic, white running QB's (gee, I wonder why?).

He's twice the player(QB) that Crouch is because he's bigger, stronger arm, almost as fast and likely won't be required to switch to another position in the NFL. My twice as good statement wasn't meant as a slam on Crouch. Virtually everybody at CF knows what a screw job the NFL did on Crouch and that he had the skillset to make a great TB or CB if he had ever been given the chance.
 

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Crouch wanted to be a quarterback. What he should have done is be much more outspoken about why he believed he deserved an opportunity. At the time all the drunk white fans had been trained to moan in unison that Crouch's arm wasn't strong enough for the NFLwhile Michael Vick had a "cannon arm," because that was the only noticeable difference between them (other than that Vick was pretty stupid but that of course was unmentionable).


The "cannon arm" thing is almost as irrelevant as the now discredited argument about how much the running ability of black QBs would elevate the position. How many 60 yard passes are there in a game and how many quarterbacks can throw them accurately? Who wouldn't want a healthy Chad Pennington with his supposed "noodle arm" as their quarterback over a rocket-armed QB who can't hit the side of a barn?


Anyway, instead of speaking out, Crouch mostly stewed in his own juices instead of articulating the way he felt and the drunk white fans decided he was also a "quitter," which sealed his fate.
 

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I read a news article last week that Chad Pennington worked with some strength guy in the offseason and has no problem now throwing the ball 65 yards if need be.
 

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as i, and others, have mentioned already, Tebow has many critics. the latest to blog about his shortcomings is CBS Sports columnist, Gregg Doyle. Gregg with two g's.
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anyway, he compares Tebow to vince young in a recent piece, and suggests that Tebow would make a great linebacker, fullback, or tight end because Tebow doesn't have a strong arm.

whether Tebow will make a great NFL quarterback or not is certainly worthy of debate, but this is the first time i've heard "lack of arm strength" as the reason. and comparing the academically-gifted Tebow to Radio Young, is so laughable as to be ridiculous.

here's the whole column for those who don't want to click the link:
Gregg Doyle said:
Tebow is many things, but NFL quarterback he ain't
By Gregg Doyle

I've been here before, and that brings me comfort. Because I was right the last time, too.

His name was Vince Young, and he wasn't an NFL quarterback. Certainly he wasn't ever going to be a great NFL quarterback. Which is pretty much what I wrote in August 2006, before he played his first game for the Tennessee Titans.

So here I am again. Same story, different quarterback. Only this quarterback's name is Tim Tebow, and that ups the ante, because there hasn't been a player in recent college football history, maybe ever, who can match the mania. Tebow runs for 20 touchdowns! Tebow circumcises foreign kids! Tebow passes for 20 touchdowns! Tebow wears the weight of the Christian world!

Tebow is a junior at Florida who does almost everything. What he won't do, however, is play quarterback in the NFL. Not at a high level.

And it won't be Florida coach Urban Meyer's fault.

It won't be Tim Tebow's fault, either. Falling short of NFL quarterback standards isn't an insult. You sitting there reading this story -- you're not going to play quarterback in the NFL, either. Do you feel insulted? No? Good. I'm sure you're good at ... something. The same goes for Tebow. He has an NFL body, he has NFL athletic ability, and he has an NFL head and heart. He just doesn't have an NFL arm. Nothing wrong with that. Very few college quarterbacks -- very few Heisman Trophy winners -- have an NFL arm.

Not counting Tebow, nine of the previous 11 Heisman winners who played quarterback weren't able to play it in the NFL. That doesn't even include deposed Arizona starter Matt Leinart. Nor does it include Vince Young, who somehow didn't win the Heisman in 2005, somehow did make the Pro Bowl in 2006, but has since played his way to the precipice of a benching. An injury took care of that, but the Titans have been much better with Kerry Collins, and Young won't regain his starting position simply by being healthy. Not with these career numbers: 22 touchdowns, 32 interceptions and a 68.3 passer rating.

Not good. But it's a lesson: Superman in college can become Danny Wuerffel in the pros.

Tim Tebow's 2007 Heisman doesn't prove anything. Neither do his PlayStation numbers. Both are a function of Urban Meyer's offense, the talent around Tebow, and of course Tebow's ability to run that offense and mesh with that talent. This column is not a slam of Tebow, so if you think it is, kindly pull your head out of your rear end.

But over on the other page, Mike Freeman is slamming Urban Meyer. Probably calling him Urban Liar or writing a bunch of other one-liners. Freeman's good at that. Now that Rick Reilly is unreadable, Freeman has the best one-liners in sports writing.

But being funny and being right are two different things.

And Freeman's wrong about Meyer. Couldn't be wronger. Too bad we don't have a third writer weighing in on this topic, because that would make Freeman the wrongest.

Meyer isn't screwing up Tim Tebow. While it's true that Meyer's spread offense isn't conducive to producing an NFL quarterback -- how has 2005 No. 1 pick Alex Smith panned out? -- it's also true that Tebow doesn't have what it takes to play that position in the NFL. Not if his coach was Urban Meyer. Not if his coach was Pete Carroll. Not if his coach was David Cutcliffe, Norm Chow or Grantland Freaking Rice.

I'll take this one step farther and connect some dots. Remember the Jevan Snead controversy? Snead, now at Ole Miss, accused Meyer of lying to him, of saying Snead was the only quarterback Meyer was recruiting. Snead said he asked Meyer why he was recruiting Tim Tebow -- and that Meyer told him Tebow was a linebacker.

Makes sense to me. Even as he was compiling crazy numbers as a high school quarterback, Tebow probably looked to Meyer like a perfect linebacker. But Meyer left him at quarterback, and Tebow won the national title as a freshman and the Heisman as a sophomore. Turns out he's a great college quarterback, but that's his ceiling.

Now then, a slight digression. If the NFL continues its meandering toward the single wing, with direct snaps to versatile backs, Tebow could have a future. So could Vince Young, for that matter. Because Tebow can take a shotgun snap and make a decision and then run or pass or hand the ball to someone else. He can do that.

What he can't do is drop back five or seven steps and throw a 30-yard laser with pinpoint accuracy. He can't, and it's not because Urban Meyer won't let him do it. It's because his genetics won't.

Again, don't misunderstand this column. Larry Bird couldn't jump. Manny Ramirez can't catch. Deion Sanders couldn't tackle. Those are still great players, great talents.

Same with Tebow. Great player. Possibly even a great NFL player. I can see him at tight end or fullback. Maybe linebacker. And I can see him being some team's third-string quarterback, good enough to run the scout team and provide behind-the-scenes leadership and mentoring. But start at quarterback in the NFL? Sorry. I can't see that.

What I see is a great college quarterback who can complete a high percentage of the (mostly easy) passes Meyer asks him to throw. I see a quarterback who can run for tough yardage. I see an inspirational leader whose quotes after the loss to Ole Miss had me fired up to hit somebody.

But I don't see an NFL quarterback. Never have, never will, and it has nothing to do with Urban Meyer and everything to do with the fabulous athlete with the average arm named Vince Young, er Tim Tebow.
 
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Whilst i think that Tebow CAN play QB in the NFL....the difference betwen him and vince young is


Young got the chance Tim wont



at least the guy admits he is an athlete
 

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You know I will tell you guys an outsider's opinion of Tim Tebow. I found out about him from this site. I watched many clips and videos of him playing. What struck me the most about him was his throwing. I saw many poorly thrown passes that wobbled or were thrown inaccurately. What I know about football is a quarterback's strength has to be his brain and his arm. I cannot question Tebow's brain but his throwing does not look that good. To me anyhow. To give you an example, Tebow can run and jump circles around Manning and Brady but so what? Running and jumping are not an NFL quarterbacks job. He would, however, make an interesting running back. If he works on his arm and timing and accuracy he may yet be complete. By the way, I don't see throwing strength as important as smooth, accurate, and well timed delivery. Remember Joe Montana anyone?Edited by: Maple Leaf
 

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What will NFL people say to Tim when he goes into the draft? That he is not good enough at throwing to be a quarterback? That if he wants to play NFL football, he should get used to the idea of playing receiver, or even worse, fullback? I remember last year, NFL scouts were already saying he projects as a fullback.

If he is not allowed to play, it would potentially be the ultimate caste crookedness of all time.

I think the biggest question regarding Tebow will be how much time he is given to adjust to the difference in the NFL and college.

The NFL or the MSM would never allow a run first white QB to potentially succeed where all the blacks have failed...

If he tried, they would give him the worst caste treatment of any QB in NFL history.

I think being a traditional QB who has the added benefit of great mobility, would make him twice as dangerous like a Steve Young or John Elway. Tebow is going to be under tremendous caste pressure either way, because of his athleticism. From what I have seen of him, he just may have the moxy to not only get through it, but use it to his advantage.

This is a thread from 2008 but it's relevant today because it accurately predicts what is happening to Tebow today. Just look at Bear Backer's prescient post!

These Caste Football posters predicted it 5 years ago!
 

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Tim Tebow gets signed by the Patriots

The New England Patriots just signed Tim Tebow. This is an almost a perfect fit.

It's a happy day for us here. From what I've read so far, they are cutting one of their backup quarterbacks but he will also play a little tightend. I could see them playing him in many different spots. Good move Pats. Finally a team with some common sense. The best case
scenario would be for Tom Brady to help him with his mechanics. I'm so happy for the kid. What he has went through is b.s.
 

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The New England Patriots just signed Tim Tebow. This is an almost a perfect fit.

I wouldn't get too excited yet. I think this is more Bill Belichick wanting to show how much of a genius he is by utilizing a guy the rest of the league (and media) thinks is crap. It's also a chance to put one to the Jets, yet again. If he can find a way to use him then maybe yes, this could be great for Tebow. If the Pats have a drop off due to loss of Welker and Woodhead, and injuries to Gronk, then pressure will be put on Belichick to go back to basics.

Great chance for Tebow though, no one else was wanting to take a chance and he ends up with a good team.
 
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