White Southern Athlete?

Discussion in 'College Football' started by whiteCB, Aug 10, 2005.

  1. jaxvid

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    That list is absurd. If you have taken the time to read about this site then you would know that we feel white players are discriminated against because of their race in the making of lists just like the one you posted. You keep talking about "talent" like it is some easy measureable quantity. It is not. It is in the eye of the beholder and the beholder who made that list is a racist bigot!!!

    Why not more white players? Is it speed? Nope white kids run just as fast. Is it strength? Nope, white kids are just as strong. What is it then? They usually make up some non-measurable quality like hip-flexibility or quick twitch athleticism or some other such BS to justify their anti-white racial predjudice.
     
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    I don't understand your thinking. The list was made in conjunction with the Dallas Morning News and Rivals.com, two reputable and independent sources. If they are in agreement about the top talent in Texas with the top D1 schools throught the nation. I don't feel the list is being dicriminatory in any way. Given, the majority of the players on the list are black, the powers thatbe agree with them. After all I don't think that these major universities are going to be able to subsidize the non-revenue sports like swimming, golf and tennis with talent poor football teamslosing gamesin there cavernous stadiums. Afterall unhappy Alumni don't contribute as much to losing football teams.
     
  3. SteveB

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    "the majority of the players on the list are black, the powers that be agree with them"

    Ding Dong! You're correct there. Most of the players you mentioned come from losing programs. If their talent was so superior that they could get a Div1 scholarship, WHY COULDN'T THEY WIN ANY FOOTBALL GAMES? They are losers that can run fast or jump high, that's it. Yet the white players on white teams that are winners, can't get better than a Div1-AA scholarship? What is wrong with this picture?
     
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    SteveB, your wrong the majority of the top 100 come from winning programs. You can refer to www.5afootball.com to check my facts. Success breeds success. Aside from the #1 and #2 recruits which come from 4A schools. I think you'll find that I'm correct and that you've made a bad assumption. Sergio Kindle attends Dallas Wilson home of Heisman winners Tim Brown and Davey O'Bryan. The only HS that can claim two Heisman winners.
     
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    Rivals.com [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] we've already discussed those racist slobs that drool over their obscure black recruits but totally ignore the good white ones.

    And the Dallas Morning News another "pro-white" outfit I bet. [​IMG]
     
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    I don't think either of those publications are racist in any way. They provide an unbiased source of information for those that want it. I think if the quality of playersdecreased at "Football Factories" they would see it in thier pocketbooks. Michigan would not sell out the Big House, Ohio State would have to play in a shoebox, and Texas would have to switch to flag football. Furthermore, the 6 billion in revenue that the NFL produces is a by product of the athletic excellence that the major D1 programs send to the draft every year aside from the free agents that go in also. To summarize, if your good enough there going to find you. With all of the recruiting services and summer camps that are available to HS players. Exposure to the top programs is not a problem. The problem is the lack of talent.
     
  7. Don Wassall

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    I imagine you also believe in the Tooth Fairy, that the government is here to help you, that only the best qualified person gets any job, and that America is a colorblind society where racial considerations play no part in any aspect of life, especially sports.

    Since, like almost all the other trolls that come here, you seem to have unlimited time to post, it's now time for you to find something else to do.
     
  8. Colonel_Reb

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    I would argue that Southern (Deep South) white athletes have faced even more discrimination and even less opportunity than whites elsewhere in the country in football. This is most apparent when looking at awards for college players over the last few years. I think Peyton Manning didn't get the Heisman because he was a white Southern quarterback. A guy just like him had won it the year before (a rarity), and they didn't want two white guys from the South winning it back to back. Archie Manning was screwed over the same way back in 1970. The anti-Southern bias is still there, but now it is apparent only when dealing with whites. I call it the "Neil Young syndrome" of the press. They all still think white Southerners are racists and backwards and they don't want to give us any credit for anything, even if we are the best at college football during a particular year. You don't have to agree with this, but this is what I believe based on what I know and have seen.
     
  9. shamrock

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    Getting at the heart of why southern whites are now so rare in college football, especially when they once had such a rich heritage of football excellence, there are multiple factors, but the most important, I think, are as follows, and
    growing up in Mobile, Alabama in the 1950s and 60s gave me a front row seat in a deeply southern town.

    In 1954, the Supreme Court decision in "Brown v Board of Education" mandated the racial integration of public schools in America. But it was the iron fist of the U.S. government that would have to enforce this unpopular mandate. And the full power of the Feds was brought down most heavily on a region they'd grown to resent most: the old Confederate states. So the fist came down early (1956 or 57) on Central High School in Little Rock, Arkansas. Eisenhower approved the use of Federal troops to crush any signs of white defiance in order to desegregate Central High. And the citizens of Little Rock were, of course, helpless against Federal troops.

    From there on Ike, followed by Kennedy, followed by LBJ, let it be known that no resistance to school integration would be tolerated. Agitators from the north streamed into southern towns and cities to "encourage" the process, knowing they had the full complicity of the Feds to enforce massive integration throughout the South, and it was the Deep South - the most resistant states of all - that they aimed to punish first and most forcefully: Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, the Carolinas, and northern Florida. They attacked the U of Mississippi in the early 60s and then the U of Alabama soon after. Resistance crumbled rapidly before this onslaught and before the threat of armed enforcement against peaceful southern citizens. I belonged to the last all-white class in Mobile in 1967, my graduation year. Everything changed in Mobile after that year as the last apartheid barriers were destroyed. And the entire city began to deteriorate from that point on.

    Soon federally mandated bussing of students changed the nature of every public school in Alabama and in the rest of the southern states. This plague was followed by increasingly strident waves of political correctness, demanding that all southern states genuflect before the god of diversity and correctness. By the early 1970s Mobile street names and school names were changed to honor black "heroes": old-time names were dropped in favor of "Martin Luther King Boulevard"; "Frederick Douglass Avenue"; "Booker T. Washington School," etc. And this was happening all over the South. Public schools were required to faithfully observe "Black History Month," and an endless variety of diversity programs were mandated. It was a massive brainwashing and propaganda campaign specifically targeted first and foremost at southern states. Parents soon feared to speak honestly about any political or racial issues for fear of being fired or rebuked. And they transferred this fear to their kids.

    I witnessed a perfect example of this hidden fear while teaching school in the 1980s. I sent a boy (6th grader) to the school library to check out a book in my name. He came back and told me that the library was not open for checkouts at that time.

    I asked, "Who told you this?"
    He said, "The lady who sits at the checkout desk."
    I said, "Do you mean the librarian?" (a white woman)
    He said, "No. That other lady."
    Knowing whom he meant, I replied, "Do you mean the BLACK lady?"
    He said, "The lady in the green dress."
    I said, "You mean, Mrs. Joyner, the black lady who checks out books."
    He said, "Yeah, I guess so."

    This kind of hesitation - even reluctance - to mention the word "black," shows the kind of freezing effect intimidating political correctness and diversity training for so many years has had on the white children of the South. Consequently, boys routinely defer to blacks on a wide range of things, fearing "to get in trouble or to get their parents in trouble" if they don't show deference to the diversity agenda. Black boys down here know this and they take full advantage of it. And it leaves many, if not most, white boys hesitant to go one-on-one with blacks, especially on the athletic fields. And, of course, it engenders feelings of inadequacy among many white boys. This is a primary reason so few whites play college football in the south now, a region whose schools are frequently swamped with large numbers of blacks anyway.

    Then there is one more reason. Because there are so many blacks in southern public schools, they have come to dominate much of the school culture down here. And white parents often fear for the safety of their kids. Accounts of black football players ganging up to rape a single white kid in the football locker room are especially frightening. Though this has been very rare, it has occurred, and even if it's only happened once, it's enough to cause white parents to say to their boys, "You're not playing football. Why don't you play baseball [a majority white sport here] or soccer?" And white parents often don't want their kids picking up the black lingo, or dances, or other black culture there. Additionally, of course, many coaches now are brainwashed into assuming white boys can't run or move like blacks, so the white kid seldom gets a chance at running back or receiver positions, another strong discouragement in a region with large black populations.

    These reasons alone count for a large number of white dropouts in southern football, perhaps the primary reasons of all.
     
  10. Bucky

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    Interesting and well said @shamrock . Find it fascinating to hear it from your point of view.
     
  11. shamrock

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    Thanks, Bucky. There are other reasons because it's a complex thing, but I know these played a large role.
     
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    Thank you, Leonard. I miss the great white southern football I saw growing up.
     
  14. Carolina Speed

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    Shamrock, I remember as an elementary school kid in the 70's when the government started integrating schools in NC. The first day blacks arrived there was a lot of tension and in those days white southern young men didn't take crap from anyone. This led to rioting in the city High School. Blacks were being bussed in and it didn't sit well at all. The first day blacks were integrated into the elementary school I attended, two black kids tried to steal my new jean jacket and I had to fight them both to get it back. I got it back but suffered a few scratches and a bruise for it. I had to ride a bus from my neighborhood all the way to the inner city to pick up a load of blacks and bring them back to the suburban school. It was awful, so I started to just walk to school. I try to give everyone a fair shake; black, white , yellow, etc., but sometimes those memories surface. When I say and do some things that my children now, don't seem to understand I remind them of how it was when I was a kid/young man.
    With all that said, there was no doubt there was competition on the athletic field, but I took it as a challenge and competed well with black kids. I wanted to beat them. A lot of white kids today don't seem to want to compete.
    When my sons were coming through, I took them to where the competition was. In wrestling, I took my boys up north and to the mid-west where the wrestlers walk out of their mothers womb wrestling and it made them better.
    To help my youngest son get faster I took him to an AAU track coach and he started running track all over the southeast and at one time he was in the top 6 in the country in his age group in the 100m.
    As you said, maybe it's the parents who are afraid today.
    Anyway, good post.
    Thank you.
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  15. Leonardfan

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    Thanks for sharing your story CS. It's always interesting and important to hear about experiences like this from people who experienced it first hand. Bussing seemed like a totally absurd idea and obviously one of the major weapons used by the communists in the 70s to kick off the assault on white people.
     
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    Carolina, love this quote: "In those days [1970s] white southern young men didn't take crap from anyone." I like that line because it's so true. Often I'm ashamed of white boys today because they tolerate anything, even the bull that progressivists and PC people shout constantly from the TV, from ads, from "music," from movies, from most public institutions around the country - subtly insidious poison that erodes the best that traditional America has long stood for. But then I remind myself that these white boys were brought up to believe this decadent stuff, or at least to tolerate it without pushing back, and I realize that it's hardly their fault that they're continually exposed to leftist propaganda almost anywhere they go.

    Virtually all public discourse today has an agenda, which is to brainwash the young as completely as they can into being critical of white gentiles, obliterating traditional values, destroying the family, and erasing the proud Western legacy which made Western Europe, Britain, and the U.S. into the most advanced culture on Earth. Sadly, that legacy and culture is deteriorating, here, in Britain, in France, and in all of Europe. And you're right, today's kids can't begin to understand what our America was once like. Too many massive changes in too short a time.

    It's sad that white boys seldom want to compete on the athletic field today. Growing up, I never for a moment thought black boys were faster than I (sometimes they were, often they weren't, because I had good foot speed and never assumed anyone else to be faster than I was). Same on the football field. Though I attended school in a segregated era, we white boys occasionally saw black kids in parks and were always ready to challenge them to a game. And we won more often than not. So you and I have had many of the same experiences.

    I was very happy to hear how successful your son was in the 100m. White boys shouldn't be afraid to compete with anyone in the dashes. Good training like you gave your boy would make more of our boys fully competitive in the sprints. The divorce plague, however, has fractured too many families and left women in charge, all too often the types of women who care little for athletic achievement and even discourage it. Dad and all masculine influence is taken out of the picture. And many of these petulant women are left wingers fully onboard with the radical feminist whining that distresses this postmodern era. Thank God for the many good women that still devote their lives to maintaining our Western heritage and decency in this dark age.

    Thank you for sharing these thoughts with us all. A young student of C.S. Lewis at Oxford once told him that his father had encouraged him to read, emphasized that it was an important habit to form and that its greatest value was in "letting us know we are not alone." And thus it is with the sharing on this great website.
     
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    Booth, I am afraid you are right, but of course we are already paying the price and have been since the late 1960s and even back to the "Brown vs Board of Education" Supreme Court decision in 1954, a decision made by an all-white court that even many black people resented as it would force black children out of their own schools with their own black teachers and black principals. (But, of course, none of those court justices would ever allow THEIR white children or grandkids to go to integrated schools. They had the money to enroll their darlings into the finest private academies in the nation.)

    Powerful and immensely wealthy and influential individuals and interests are arrayed against us, and it will be hard to turn the tide of social engineering and radical leftwing propaganda that presently prevails. Sadly, many of these interests are of our own race and cultural background, turncoats against their own people and culture. We see it in the BLM movement, in which there are often more white protestors than black, and we see it in the Senate and House of Representatives, and we see it in the Federal courts.

    Regarding the tearing down of statues and monuments of Confederate soldiers and of America's greatest leaders like Thomas Jefferson and George Washington, the great old black pro basketball player Charles Barkeley said this, "Black people don't care about those statues." He's mostly right. It's usually white leftists leading the charge against America's great cultural legacy, and that makes all this utterly sad and incomprehensible, an American tragedy of the highest order. I watched in disgust as a group of young white college students tore down a statue of Robert E. Lee and as one young white woman ran forward and spit vehemently on the fallen statue. What in God's name are our children being taught in these university propaganda mills today?

    And petty differences among all right-minded people should be swept aside now. Ronald Reagan said," Anyone who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is your friend," a quote we'd all do well to remember. And Ben Franklin said, during the Revolutionary War era, "We'd all better hang together or surely we shall hang separately." Apt words for all those amongst us who still value our European/Anglo/Western, Christian heritage.
     

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