White Quarterbacks

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  1. Extra Point

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    The purposes of this thread are to follow the careers of white quarterbacks and to discuss how racism and the caste system affect white quarterbacks.

    There is a pattern in the NFL draft in how white players are drafted at most positions. If a white player is special they will be drafted high. Anything short of that and white players will slip far in the draft and be denied fair opportunities in the league.

    The fact that this this pattern occurs year after year proves that it's planned.

    The quarterback position has usually not followed this pattern in the past. However, in the 2013 draft this pattern was followed for quarterbacks. You had two mediocre black quarterback prospects in Manuel and Smith taken at the top of the draft while better white prospects such as Barkley, Glennon and Nassib were taken later in the draft.

    The powers that be have apparently decided that the time is right to make quarterback a black position. More than likely future drafts will follow the same pattern for quarterbacks that has been followed for "black" positions such as wide receiver and running back.

    This replacement of superior white players with inferior black players is part of the ongoing genocide of the white race.
     
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  2. Average American

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    I'll give due respect to the good quarterbLacks over the years.. I think Warren Moon was one of the best of the 80s & early 90s.. Doug Williams was brilliant for a single quarter in his Super Bowl against Denver.. but if the measuring stick is championships.. they are grossly underachieving.

    Look back over 20 years @ the integrated position of QB, its still White pocket passers winning Lombardis.
    Favre & Elway could both scramble effectively.. & along w/Aikman, Warner, Brady, the Manning Bros, Brees, Flacco.. they all still fit the model of the strong White pocket passer.
    I think every one in the league knows this.. the coaches winning Super Bowls are still working with that (White pocket passer) foundation.. but there is a concerted philosophy to re-invent the wheel & deliberately elevate Black players into the QB spot.. it's not sound business, which usually underwrites decisions in pro sports, it's a social experiment.. and how long can failing results be overlooked (?)

    I won't begrudge the next Doug Williams, if he can win a ring.. but how many good pocket passing prospects will be passed over in that pursuit.
    The same-stream sports media is already comparing Manuel to Jim Kelly, a guy who has never taken an NFL snap is likened to a guy w/4 conference championships.. Is there a single sportswriter calling the NFL out on this mistaken calculation in favor of mobile quarterbLacking.. c'mon
     
  3. Leonardfan

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    What I have noticed about QBs in the college ranks - I know I am just stating the obvious but certain Coaches/College teams seem to recruit solely blacks at QB or if they recruit whites it is to sit on the bench - here are the culprits off the top of my head:

    Bimbo Sweeny - Clemson
    Dumbo Fischer - FSU
    DickRod - Arizona
    Oregon
    Steve Sarkasian - Washington
    Jim Mora - UCLA
    Urban (the name fits his QBs) Meyer - Ohio St.
    Brian Kelly - Notre Dame
    Oregon

    I think WVU has turned a corner with Holgersen - he was able to get FreeShoesUniversity caste off - Clint Trickett and has been solely recruiting white QBs. Michigan should be going back to white QBs after this season with AA QB Gardner getting ton of hype but will ultimately fizzle. PSU seems to be coming back to playing white QBs as well after the black experiment of the past 6-7 years.
     
  4. Extra Point

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    We all know how Tim Tebow has been denigrated by the anti-whites.

    The anti-whites are now doing the same thing to Johnny Manziel. The current party line is that Manziel isn't an elite pro prospect. This after his freshman season.

    Manziel won the Heisman after an outstanding freshman year and the anti-whites started denigrating him right away.

    The racist anti-whites would never denigrate a black player who accomplished what Manziel did. They're racist hypocrites.

    Look for the campaign against Manziel, perpetrated by racist, anti-white members of the media, to continue.
     
  5. white is right

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    Any coach that wants to institute a run first and pass second offense over the years has tended to favour Black qb's. I do recall some great White wishbone qb's in the early days of the wish bone but this was when conferences were segregated or the qb position in the intergrated conference was " a White posistion". It seems like once guys like Switzer started using Black qb's they refused to look at another Jack Mildren clone, he only wanted JC Watts clones. These modern coaches probably have the same ideas as the Bootlegger's Boy....:thumbdown:
     
  6. joegoofinoff

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    The way I look at White QBs is they're the one thing the nfl can't do anything about. Yes, they can make things hard, but in the end, it's like the Dutch boy trying to plug leaks in the dike with his fingers. As soon as he plugged one leak, another sprung up somewhere else. Can't be done. If they actually did aggresively attempt to purge the position of White QBs, even the DWFs would notice that.


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    First, I would like to say welcome aboard joegoofinoff, but I have to disagree with your post...and I'm generally one of the more optimistic CF posters, but if the DWF's haven't noticed the purging of every other position of white players, they will not miss a beat with the purging of the white QB. That's why they're called DWF's!
     
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    Yes "qb guru" bob dimwitted-field was on nfl network saying manziel was still a work in progress even after winning the heisman, whereas negro qoutaback afleet taji boyd is his view is the best all around quotaback in cfb. These dwf's really make me sick.
     
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    Tahj Boyd will probably regress this season like most quotabacks and still make it in the top. Freeman declined his senior year, his best season coming with Jordy Nelson catching anything thrown in his general radius, actually turning a few would be picks into big plays. \

    dwfs may not notice it, but I would say about 50 percent don't like quotabacks. Many are saying Kaepernick, Wilson and RG3 will be figured out this year. Well most of them say 2 of those quotabacks will regress but always say one of them is special, I don't know if they actually believe that or saying that to not come across as racist. I have told the story before, but I will say it again. When Aaron Brooks was starting for the Saints, many fans stopped caring, especially after Jake Delhomme came in and looked better and even more so after Jake was released and Delhomme took the Panthers to the Superbowl, and Marc Bulger (also a backup to Brooks) was pretty good, and there was a period where JT O Sullivan was showing promise (also a backup to Brooks at one point) was showing promise. There were chants of "WE WANT JAKE", they were accused of being racist but they had the "hes a local boy" card. Many still consider Aaron Brooks one of the worst quarterbacks in Saints history, despite the fact that he one the Saints first playoff game in its history. Although that was luck, they won because a greasy handed kick returner fumbled the ball and a White special teamer picked it up and scored. Many try to say these fans are racist because Brooks holds a bunch of Saints records, well behind Brees, he is in the top. But he got by playing backyard football with Joe Horn. Defensive Coordinators figured it out, and he started getting picked off alot, and would smile after every mistake. Fans didn't like that. Then when you count in the fact that Mike McCarthy (Packer's coach now) was their offensive coordinator, and he had to simplify his playbook for Brooks, and Delhomme was above average in his prime, the Saints could have had success much earlier, like post season success, and more than one win in a wildcard game. Delhomme gets flack for being a game manager but thats the role John Fox put him in, run on first and 2nd down and throw deep on 3rd. It wasn't much different with Tebow, except Tebow got even less chances to throw, other than 3rd and long.

    They also don't like the demeanor guys like Cam have, slumping over, pouting. Geno seems to be the same way. Many hate Kaepernick's celebrations (kissing his "guns"), Newton's celebrations after scoring a td in a game where they are down 3 tds with 4 minutes left to play.

    So dwfs are quick to turn on a quotaback. I mean they are quick to turn on a White qb even when he hasn't done anything wrong, but its usually media fueled like "he's gotta noodle arm" "he can't throw" "hes a statue and afraid to get hit". They eat that **** right up and believe it. Fans are actually saying Tebow has a noodle arm. Anything but, he has great arm strength. Its the accuracy on the intermediate routes he needs to work on and compared to guys like Byron Leftwich, Jason Campbell, Tavaris Jackson who got numerous chances, he is much better, and Leftwich had an akward motion.

    It ay seem like dwfs love most of these guys because of the media, but I don't think thats true. Until a black qb shows consistency or wins a Superbowl (Doug Williams didn't start the season, so he didn't lead them there) it won't happen. Out of all the quotabacks they tried to push into the league the last decade only one had real success, which is McNabb, and he was done in his early 30's, and now dwfs are questioning how good he was since every qb in that system has done well under Reid when McNabb was down. They aren't sold on Kolb, which was the final question mark, so if he Kolb doesn't start then that will justify their beliefs, and if Manuel sucks then even more so. Why Michael Vick is still getting any love, I have no clue.

    My guess is, although they love to worship negroes, they still need one player to relate to, and that is the qb, which they don't consider an "athlete", more of a "smart, 2nd coach on the field", despite many of the newer guys that can run as fast as tight ends and linebackers, as well as some of the "older" guys like Brees and Rodgers, I would say Brady and Manning have the least amount of speed, but even Brady has a quick 10 yard burst, and both are good at moving around the pocket. Brees can dunk a basketball at 6 foot. I think this is why they buy into the whole running qbs have to be black. When a White guy is running around and making plays it just confuses them, so they just believe the talking heads "oh these skills won't translate to the next level", oh you mean even the guys like Tebow, and now Manziel which succeeded against the SEC where most players (heavy emphasis on defenders) come from. Also they relate to the White fullback, the "high motor, brings his lunchpail to work, working class kind of guy", but they are being phased out of the game, most of it due to more spread type passing offenses, but still not that many White fullbacks out there, when you consider how many have been converted to fullback.

    and most realize that a qb can't run for his entire career, the average career of a rb is 3 and a half years. Even the good ones tend to decline at 30. You want a franchise qb to last into his mid 30's. They will eventually have to learn how to pocket pass. If RG3 isn't running the option, then he won't have receivers open by 5 yards on a consistent basis, will he be able to make those throws? Don't know because never seen him, and thats what seperates college from the pros, because college you have at the most 4 years, which a good deal of runners can maintain health through.


    but yeah, Manziel has a high chance of being screwed over. They will repeat negatives over and over and dwfs will believe it. He has a better chance if he stops taking off to run, and I think he can be a successful guy without running forward, he is still really good running around making passes down the field, better than Rodgers, better than I have seen in live in my lifetime.
     
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  10. whiteathlete33

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    Geno Smiff is going to fall flat on his face in NY. No way he even has a remotely decent season if he starts. The Jets are the worst offensive team in the league.
     
  11. Leonardfan

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    Nice post DWID.

    I would advise everyone to pay close attention to Aaron Murray vs. Tajh Boyd this year. Both put up big numbers, Boyd plays in a more gimmicky spread offense, both are about the same height and have the same athleticism, equal arm strength as well yet all the DWFs are claiming Boyd is one of the best if not the best QB in college football.

    As for Manziel, I will begin to call out any DWF, "expert" or writer that says he is not a QB at the next level. He is more athletic than any QB since Vick. He is just about the same size as Gremlin yet is much shiftier and elusive.

    As for the quotabacks currently in the league - Scam had a bad second season which no one in the media seems to mention. Krapernick played well for a partial season, it won't be long before his wigger coach's offensive scheme is figured out and the big nosed one falls back down to earth. Griffin is injury prone and like the others - the offense he plays in will be figured out. I firmly believe Wilson was a flash in the pan, he won't have prolonged success. Smiff will crumble under the pressure in NY and Manuel will be a mediocre Jason Campbell type in Buffalo.

    Considering the spread option attack - I'm no expert at coordinating a defense but if a defense basically stacked the line of scrimmage - had one player on the QB and another on the RB and played man coverage downfield - as long as they contained whoever ends up with the ball that would minimize the impact of the spread option. Just attack and be aggressive would be the correct philosophy. Also, you could bring pressure from pass rushers and play cover 2 deep zone as well. I dunno - I think I just figured out a couple pretty decent ways to attack the spread option.

    As far as white QBs off the top of my head - Aaron Murray, Manziel, Kevin Hogan, Derek Carr, David Fales are some of the top guys in college football. Also the QB from Cornell - Jeff Mathews seems to be getting some good buzz
     
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    As a Dolphin fan, I laughed as two of our division rivals picked quotabacks in this years draft. The Bills with EJ Manuel and the Jets with Geno Smiff. Both of these guys are going to end up being so terrible. EJ Manuel couldn't even read defenses in college, what makes the stupid Bills coach think he's going to be able to do it in the pros. As pissed off as I am about having a caste GM like Jeff Ireland and wishing our team would resemble the Patriots, Texans, and Packers, I realize it could be a lot worse: I could be Bills or a Jets fan. I even had a Bills DWF say to me that Manuel was going to be better than Tannehill. Yeah, in what universe?!
     
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    Collin Klein is being screwed over just like Tim Tebow. A Heisman Trophy finalist, he would be a great addition to the league as a mobile QB, but went undrafted and has already been cut by Houston. As I recall, Klein was homeschooled, which means he's probably a devout Christian, another reason to "Tebow" him, except in his case it'll be through media disinterest rather than the contrived "circus" that surrounds the forthright Tebow.

    The Texans opted against signing undrafted free agent tryout QB Collin Klein following rookie camp. The minicamp concluded Sunday. "No, I did not sign," Klein told FOX 26 in Houston. "I think they're working through some things. I feel very good that I put my best foot forward and just so grateful they gave me the opportunity." Klein could help his NFL chances by showing a willingness to play another position.
     
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    I was listening to some sports show on the radio a few weeks ago and they were saying Klein should get a chance at runningback. No mention of fullback.
     
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    That's a shame about Collin Klein. He is the type of athletic QB that is supposedly going to be the new prototype minus the black skin.

    Also, all reports are Tyler Wilson has been impressive displaying great arm strength and accuracy in the rookie minicamp. The funny thing is that the "experts" convinced all the lemmings out there that Wilson had a weak arm when quite the contrary is proving to be true. From all reports I have heard he had a better showing then both Smiff and Manuel in their minicamps. Wilson has the arm talent and toughness of a young Brett Favre. Im rooting hard for this kid.
     
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    Klein is like 6'5 - way to tall to be a running back.
     
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    There were 5 white quarterbacks taken in the first 4 rounds of the 2013 NFL draft; Mike Glennon, Matt Barkley, Ryan Nassib, Tyler Wilson and Landry Jones. All of them should have been drafted higher than they were.

    Because of where they were picked all of them will probably stick with their respective teams this year.

    I'm curious to see what opportunities they get and how well they do in their careers.

    I'm especially interested to see how Landry Jones does. He was a prolific passer at Oklahoma but was talked down by the sports media. Former GM Bill Polian called him the best QB in the draft.
     
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    Yeah Dwid...remember the Saints situation vividly that eventually cost the stubborn Haslett his job...with a shot at a playoff spot with only 2 games remaining vs the putrid Bengals & Lions to clinch...he refused to go with back-up Delhomme; who was more than capable & proved it going to the Super Bowl soon after...instead losing the game with an injured Aaron Brooks; who actually had attend "Leadership" classes..lol...Your either a leader or your not! A class was not going to help him out!

    While it's frustrating to see the Tebow situation(has already won as many playoff games as Romo has in 8 years) & Klein....it's NOT like that with Manziel...I'm seeing 1st Round status/2nd overall pick possible?...any question marks will be answered!

    A important cog in CF'ers cause is Jake Locker(2nd Fastest QB in NFL??) continues to grow w/ improved O-Line & receivers...if he can lead the Titans to "playoffs"...then he can easily find a seat at the table w/ the dwf's ohhing & awing over the media's precieved new breed QB's Griffin, Wilson & Kapernick...Locker is as fast as Steve Young...he needs to stay healthy! Former WR Ryan Tannehill needs to get the Dolphins back to the playoffs...he runs well...Christian Ponder has shown his nice running abilities with electric TD runs...Andrew Luck(future Best QB in NFL) runs as well as Cam Newton yet some dwf's are clueless! Rodgers, Dalton, Brees, Alex Smith are all athletes that can run if needed as well!

    The Pro-Style QB is not going anywhere...even Rivals.com has their new rankings for Class of 14'...and think the Top 15-20 are all white....

    Keep an eye on the "Dual Threat" situation...and there is a plethora of white QB's dotting the college landscape! Along with Johnny Manziel you have Jordan Lynch, Taylor Martinez, Taysom Hill, Blake Bell(6'-6" 263), J.W. Walsh, Connor Shaw, Jeff Driskell, Taylor McHargue, Kevin Hogan, Kolton Browning, Cody Fajardo, Brett Smith....it should be interesting to watch unfold!

    Not sure if it's fair to compare Geno Smith to one-hit wonder Aaron Brooks..but there are some similarities. EJ Manuel is comparable to Jason Campbell/Tony Banks....Hype machine Logan Thomas seems destined to the CFL...Tahj Boyd shows flashes; but is still too inconsistent/turnover machine and had the luxury of some quality WR's...Teddy Bridgewater seems to have some potential...but he will have to prove it again!

    I actually thought McNair was better than McNabb....

    Don't mean to gloat...but I called it on Tyler Wilson in the NFL Draft Thread...a few get it...easily could have been top QB in this Class!
     
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    I've already seen an article suggesting that Landry Jones is in danger of not making the Steelers! This is before they even start training camp!

    They said the same preposterous thing about 3rd round pick Colt McCoy in 2010, that he might be cut before his rookie season. That, of course, didn't happen.

    With Landry they're not even waiting until they start playing in earnest.

    The anti-whites are wasting no time in trying to tear Landry Jones down.
     
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    The denigration of white players vs their black counterparts by the press seems to me more a factor of career-preserving cowardice rather than any conspiracy. This is worse for QB than any other position, since they get the most attention.

    As a reporter or writer doing a piece on up an coming talent, you certainly have a handful of negatives to say about any player, white or black. The problem is that when you state the more obvious negatives about most black players they come off as being stereotypically racist. If time tells that you are correct, you gain very little, if you predict incorrectly, you lose greatly. With white players, it is the opposite. You don't lose anything by skepticism and negative reviews of a white prospect. If you are right about them being a bust, you gain credibility, if you are wrong, it's because the white player was a hardworking overachiever. It is acceptable in Western society to admit openly that you never expected a white person to have what it takes to succeed. To openly state the same thing about a melanin-blessed individual opens you up to being called a racist. Not everyone can pull off what Gruden does and simply be positive about every single player out there. You have to be brutal to SOMEONE, and career risk/reward says it's simply safer to unleash your reserve of scorn for whites.

    The irony is that the real racism in all of this is the very attitude taken on to avoid being racist itself. If an "anti-racist" hears someone attacking the mental fortitude of Cam Newton his mind immediately goes straight to the notion that it must be because he is black. Why does he think this way as a color-blind anti-racist? Why must he overcompensate with illogical platitudes about a black players mental attributes first and foremost if not to make up for his subconscious feelings that he needs to help that player out in that regard?

    These same career/face preserving attitudes on race and culture affect coaches and talent scouts just as much. A talent scout's career can survive missing out on the next Johnny Manziel because he is undersized or mentally immature/undisciplined. His career may not survive missing out on the next RG3 for the same reasons. A coach can survive benching an Alex Smith in favor of Kaepernick. His career may not survive the reverse.

    When someone comes back with the old standby that "the best players play," what they should really be saying is that the players playing are the ones that have the highest odds of preserving the careers and social acceptability of coaches and talent scouts.
     
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    Brilliant post, Pie, and it's always good to see you posting. I've heard it out in the field as well in regards to recruiting. Sure, their are more good white RB's and WR's by the numbers than blacks, but if you recruit a white skill player, he'd better darn well be a phenom because the scouts/coaches will be crucified for "reaching" if he's not. Recruit any black, and it doesn't matter.
     
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    I want to bump this post because it is brilliant and it might get passed over being at the end of the 1st page. I think it really explains to anti-White phenomena in scouting and sports journalism. Political correctness, affirmative action thinking, Liberalism and the inability for White people to have honest conversations on race have ruined these 2 fields.
     
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    I agree, outstanding post by Pie.
     
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    Hear hear pie, good post!
     
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    I recently heard out in the field, from a D-1 recruiting coach, that it didn't matter if a certain 2014 white HS RB had rushed for 10,000 yds. in a season, it would be difficult for a "white" RB to earn a scholarship to the college he coached for. That's a direct quote! Now, instead of just not offering without saying a word or making excuses, it seems coaches/recruiters are saying it, "if you're white, forget the RB position."

    Is this legal?

    I ask anyone here, is there anything that can be done about it? Does anyone want to do anything about it?
     

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