When was the last time?

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  1. lumsdenpower

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    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] To Jared Allen..He is gonna be the champion of sack this year despite missing 2 games [​IMG]
    When was the last time that a white guy lead the league in sack?
    Jared Allen should be recognised as the best D-END of the league..He has all the tool..
    I'm so happy for Allen!
    He was a late pick from Iowa..who would have think that he would be the sack champion one year..
    Sadly, there should be a lot of player like Allen at the position of D-End and even D-Tackle...
     
  2. Don Wassall

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    The NFL only started keeping sack totals in 1982. The white players who have led the league in sacks are:


    1983 and '84 -- Mark Gastineau


    1994 -- Kevin Greene


    1995 -- Bryce Paup


    1996 -- Kevin Greene


    2007 -- Jared Allen


    Kampman and Schobel finished second and third last year. Trace Armstrong (remember him?) was second in 2000 with 16.5, just half a sack behind the leader.


    I agree that whites would dominate defensive end and tackle if given the same opportunities as blacks. The combination of quickness, strength and endurance exhibited by so many white defensive players is a potent one. Edited by: Don Wassall
     
  3. lumsdenpower

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    Okay, at which time the white d-line become a minority in the NFL?
     
  4. Don Wassall

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    I wouldguess in the early1970s give or take a few years.By the time of the Jets' "Sack Exchange" of the early 1980s with its three white stars (Gastineau, Joe Klecko and Marty Lyons), white d-linemenhad already becomea noticeableminority.
     
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    Idaho St. in fact.[​IMG] Congrats to Jared!!
     
  6. Maple Leaf

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    Le nom "Gastineau", es-ce ça dit quelque chose? Moi, je me souviens ces danses bizarres en plein milieu du champs. Celles-la ont provoquait le bureau de la league de les interdires. Ces même types de gestes sont devenu la norme aujourd'hui avec les noires. Quel justice. La league n'a jamais aimer un blanc qu'avait l'air confident et poseur!
     
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    Aaron Kampman was a late round pick as well, 5th round to be exact. He also had a monster year.
     
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    yup, ain't that right. Gastineau was the most hated player of that era, and all that for being what media so cherishes in black athletes today: confident and outspoken, even cocky.
     
  9. Don Wassall

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    Gastineau crossed the players' union picket line during the 1987 strike, as did many players. But Gastineau's carwas spat on by his own "teammates." I still remember theraw hate directed toward him during the strike, and during his career asone of the all-time greatpass rushers. He dared to dominate, and with an unabashed style,when the template for a defensive lineman had already been successfully changed for some time in the popular mind from that of a white man to a black.
     
  10. Maple Leaf

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    Don Wassal:

    That '87 stike you mentioned was historical, it was the last days of the white player in the minds of the owners. The owners punished white players with a banishment in most positions which is still not lifted today. Within 3 years after the strike the NFL looked as black as it ever has. That '87 strike was the straw that broke the camels back for the owners and from then on they played it safe and prospered and they didn't have to worry by having all of those organizing meddlesome whites around.



    The white fans guzzled the whole package like a super-sized slurp fest. The fat white slobs would drive their blubber-asses to the stadium early so they had enough time to cook up lots of grease and guts and blubber and suck it back before the game began. In the stadium with their minds dulled from having dranken a gallon of urine coloured beer they would each paint each other's beastly blubber gut with letters and standing in a row the words "I'm loving it!" were arranged and could be read from field level. No matter what the temperature they stood bare. At the end of the game, their bladders almost rupturing with yellow urine, they would drop their pants down to their ankles -they did not wear underware- and piss on each other in glee and gusto to celebrate their team's victory.

    Ah, the modern NFL...
     
  11. bigunreal

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    Actually, the defensive line (along with DB and RB) was one of the first positions to "go black" in the NFL. Even back in the late 1960s, the Vikings' "Purple People Eaters" featured 3 black starting defensive linemen (Alan Page, Carl Eller, Jim Marshall) and the Rams' original "Fearsome Foursome" featured 3 blacks (Deacon Jones, Lamar Lundy and Roger Brown). By the time the Steelers became the first "dynasty" to feature many, many black players, their "Steel Curtain" defensive line was all black. The really big change in roster racial demographics took place when blacks began to dominate positions like linebacker and tight end. The final cog in the Caste System was filled when Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys' teams of the early '90s started the trend towards fat, sumo black offensive linemen.
     
  12. Maple Leaf

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    Bigunreal:
    I don't know what positions turned black first. What we do know is the league went blacker after '87.
     
  13. Electric Slide

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    Some of the best and most interesting posts I read on this board is the reviling of the Drunk White Fans, haha!

    Now I know it's funny to lump them all into one category, but I think there's different types of DWFs. There's the type you mentioned above, who only care about their team and eat up anything the team throws at them. There's also another type that isn't necessarily a big team fan, but they love the NFL and can't get enough of the black athletes. They pick out certain athletes, where different jerseys, etc... usually only black players. They're into the whole fantasy thing and online betting and all that. They might possibly cheer for some white players like Farve or Brady, but they will dismiss any attempt at a white player filling an off-limits position, like Brian Leonard. Unfortunately these fans can be very knowledgeable of the sport, but by the same token are indoctrinated with Cultural Marxist beliefs. It's not that these ones hate white guys, they just don't believe in them. They will act so shocked when a white player makes a good punt return, interception, a good run, or catches a long pass EVERY TIME!
     
  14. Colonel_Reb

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    The NFL was majority black before 87. The Caste System was in place long before 87. In fact, if you look at the league in 1987, it was already pretty much where it is except for a few black QBs and the sumo linemen. The Caste System ideas had already done most of their damage by that time as far as who was getting drafted and playing. There are a few examples we could mention that buck the trend after the early 80s, but I think it is safe to say that the starting point for the current Caste System lies well before 1987. The strike did nothing to help whites, but I don't think it had much of an effect on the further propogation of the Caste System.
     
  15. bigunreal

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    Colonel Reb,

    Good points. In fact, my awakening to the racial nature of the NFL actually occurred in 1986. I had already stopped watching the games, for the most part (this was just before fantasy football lured me back in), but decided to tune in to the Super Bowl that January. I was somewhat interested in that game, because it featured two teams that had long been non-chosen, in my view- the Bears and Patriots. I was especially intrigued by the Patriots, as I used to root for them when Plunkett was their starter and was throwing to Randy Vataha, one of my favorites, and Russ Francis. I also knew they had a white starting RB, Craig James, and that was already a real rarity in the NFL (it was also the last time a Super Bowl team had a starting RB who was white). Anyway, when they introduced the starting lineups, the Patriots chose to introduce their defense. The Patriots had 10 black starters on defense. I don't know why I'd never noticed before, but that was a real eye-opener. From then on, whenever I tuned in to an NFL game, I started counting their white starters on defense. Even at that point, no team in the NFL had a majority white defense, and most had only a few white starters.

    I really think that linebacker was the crucial position in transforming the NFL from a league with lots of blacks into one with very few whites. Before the early 1970s, almost all NFL linebackers were white. That included the reserves, so just do the math on how that could have transformed the racial numbers. Coupled with the fact that most teams, at that time, began switching to the 3-4 defense, and you can just imagine the massive amounts of black players who entered the league during the 1970s, exclusively at the linebacker position. I recall the early Caste fervor that the jock-sniffing announcers had for the likes of Isiah Robertson, a linebacker the Rams drafted to take the place of dull, plodding whites like Jack Pardee and Maxie Baughn. The media wildly overrated these new black linebackers, and they certainly made the Pro Bowl in undeserved numbers. I can recall the lust the jock-sniffers had for Thomas "Hollywood" Henderson when he burst on the scene as a rookie with the Cowboys in 1975. They raved about his speed and "athleticism," and paid way too much attention to every play he made (and he didn't make that many). He was the first modern-style black LB, imho, which would culminate in Lawrence Taylor a few years later. The media reaction to this new wave of black linebackers was very similar to the love fest we see today towards black quarterbacks.
     
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    Gentlemen, I never said the Caste system started in '87, I said, in other words, IT WAS THE COMPLETION OF THE PROCESS. If there were any doubters amongst the owners in '87, the strike converted all of them.
     
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    Bigunreal:


    Very nice post, I always enjoy learning new facts regarding the NFL's history, and more specifically the events that have led the league to be more than 70 percent black.


    I was a little kid in January 1986, the fact that the Patriots had 10 white starters on defense is a real eye opener. Especially since the 1982 and 1983 Redskins had a majority white defense, and of course, John Riggins.
     
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    I generally pick 1985 as the year the Caste System went into full force, but '87 and '86 could also be cited. In the early 1980s there were three All Pro caliber white receivers in the league -- Steve Largent, Steve Watson, and Cris Collinsworth (despite the otherwise arrogant Collinsworth's step n fetchit schtick about how terrible he was, he was a damn good receiver). When their careers wound down in the late '80s, all of a sudden there were no white starting wide receivers in the entire league, much less stars.


    But as others have discussed in numerous threads, the Caste System goes back 40 years, to the implementation of the permanent Cultural Marxist Revolution in the United States, which started full boar in 1967 and '68. It tookclose to20 years to ethnically cleanse the NFL of qualified white players at many positions, with the defensive line being one of the first to go overwhelmingly black. The Redskins defense changed overnight in the mid-80s; same with the Dolphins a couple of years after that. The only team that bucked the riptide a bit was the Bills when they won the AFC 4 years in a row in the early '90s with rosters that were about half white. But they too were essentially a Caste team -- no white RBs, no starting white WRs, no white CBs.
     
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    I don't understand the emphasis on player strikes in professional sports as
    the reason to replace whites. Some people offer the idea that the owners
    were angry at the whites for forming the unions and getting more of the
    gate, but I think the minority players today are grossly overrcompensated,
    so where is the money savings? Look at A-Rod in baseball, or that safety for
    the Colts who just signed the richest deal yet for $37.5 million.
     
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    bigunreal, had I been old enough in 1986, I would have probably noticed the same thing. As it was, I was 8 and just starting to watch football. I remember that SuperBowl as the first football game I have memories of watching. I usually tell people that the Caste System started in around 1970 and has been strictly enforced since the early 80s. I think putting any particular year on it is tough, as changes take place over time.
     
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    Would you mind translating, please, Mr. Leaf? I am not fluent in French (or Ukrainian, although that is my ancestral home on my dad's side). [​IMG]

    John
     
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    I noticed the blackening of the NFL around 1985 too (I turned 24 in August 1985), although I didn't notice which unit(s) of the Pats (and Bears) were introduced before SB XX; I might have been preoccupied with other things.

    I actually had grossly punning terms in my mind like "running black", "quarterblack", "cornerblack", and "lineblacker" in those days.[​IMG]

    John
     
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    "The media reaction to this new wave of black linebackers was very similar to the love fest we see today towards black quarterbacks."



    Wow. That sounds almost prophetic. [​IMG] I hope not.
     
  25. sport historian

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    The defensive line was mostly black by around 1973 after trending in that direction from the mid-60's. Roy Blount mentioned this in his book on the 1973 Steelers, "Three Bricks Shy of a Load."
     

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