Vasyl Lomachenko

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  1. Charles Martel

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    We've all heard the Jewish Supremacist Max Kellerman openly show his hate for the best white boxers.

    He never bashes the mediocre white boxers who are brought in as opponents for HBO's black hopes to make them look good, like Klimov this past Saturday.

    But he's always been very hateful toward the best white boxers, such as Wladimir Klitschko, Joe Calzaghe, Ricky Hatton when he was champion at 140 and Kelly Pavlik when he was champion at middleweight.

    Vasyl Lomachenko could be the best boxer since Lazlo Papp, and his first fight will be on HBO this coming Saturday. No doubt Kellerman will be extremely hateful in his comments about Vasyl.
     
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    Very impressive that he's debuting against a guy who is 25-3 with 15 KOs! Unlike the american olympians who are overly protected and tend to fight 5-10 easy fights to pad their records with KO's. Errol Spence and Deontay Wilder are examples of this.
     
  4. Charles Martel

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    Lomachenko wins by KO 4.

    In the post-fight interview, you can hear the hate in
    Max Kellerman's voice. He asks Lomachenko "Why didn't you get KOs in the world series of boxing?"

    Roy Jones in contrast was very impressed by Lomachenko and had nothing but good to say about him.
     
  5. Charles Martel

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    Lomachenko-Ramirez with Ukrainian commentary:

    [video=youtube;Ba3HL52hrT4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Ba3HL52hrT4[/video]

    I've replaced the original Ukrainian video wth another. This video is from IHTEP (Ukrainian Public TV), so HBO has no legal right to remove it from YouTube.
     
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    An incredible athlete.
     
  7. white is right

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    He puts his punches together like a pound for pound fighter. If he survives a chin check and a stamina test he is going to win multiple belts. He is that good.
     
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    Wasn't able to see last nights fight as the youtube video has been removed. But by watching some of his highlights, he actually reminds me of Manny Pacquiao. He has incredibly fast "core movement" as I like to call it. He swivels around a lot and hits his opponents from a lot of different angles. I like how he uses the uppercut as well. I too think if he passes the chin check, he will do some serious damage as a top contender.
     
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    I don't think many readers at Caste Football really know who Lomachenko really is. I don't think his abilities are truly known. Just take a look at the following numbers. If you are black, or other white haters, and reading this, you may want to sit down because you'll probably pass out in horror, envy, shock, and disbelief.

    Lomachenko's amateur record: 396-1 (He had one tired day and lost to a Russian. He avenged the loss twice.)

    That's almost four hundred amateur fights!

    He is only 25!

    Gold Medalist at World Amateur Championships 2009,2011.

    Gold Medalist at Olympics 2008, 2012.

    Champion of WSB Championship before officially turning pro.

    In first pro fight knocked out (KO4) Jose Ramirez and won the HBO International Featherweight Title.

    That first fight was scheduled for 10 rounds. Weak American (almost all black or latino) amateur boxers typically start with 4 rounders, and for opponents they just ask anyone idly standing around in a crowd if they would like to box a round and get knocked out for $250.00.

    And, this is the most unbelievable thing of all, like I said sit down, he is scheduled to fight Orlando Salido (40-12), ranked #2 in the world on Boxrec, for the WBO World Championship in January 2014, in only his second pro fight!

    If this kid was a black United States citizen the U.S. conventional media would be comparing him into some kind of a Tyson/Ali/RJJ/Mayweather mix.
     
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    I know who he is. I watched him in his first Olympics and was amazed at his talent. I waited for him to go professional but didnt' hear anything about him. Then he's in his second Olympics. I didn't realize he was so young. I'm just glad he isn't one of those East Euros who wait till they're into their thirties to turn pro.
     
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    From Dan Rafael at ESPN.com

    http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/9823130/bradley-gain-some-respect-victory-marquez

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    Records: Lomachenko (1-0, 1 KO); Ramirez (24-3-2, 15 KOs)
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    [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Rafael's remarks: Lomachenko, 25, of Ukraine, is one of the greatest amateurs in boxing history, a career that culminated with back-to-back Olympic gold medals, at featherweight in 2008 and lightweight in 2012. With so much experience and such physical and technical gifts, he and his handlers saw no reason to go the usual route that a prospect coming into the pros typically takes, namely smashing a few no-hopers in showcase four-rounders and then taking the traditional path through six-, eight-, 10- and then 12-rounders. Lomachenko felt no need for seasoning after about 400 amateur fights and a glittering resume.

    So when he came into the pros, he insisted that whomever he signed with move him very quickly, which Top Rank boss Bob Arum agreed to do. So rather than a facing a complete no-hoper out of the gate, Lomachenko went right into a scheduled 10-round fight against a seasoned veteran in Ramirez, 25, of Mexico, who was coming off an impressive split decision victory against contender Rey Bautista in Batista home country of the Philippines.

    Lomachenko would have preferred to fight for a world title in his debut, but was convinced that he could face a solid opponent first and then get a title shot. So Lomachenko dazzled against Ramirez, showing his speed and pinpoint punching accuracy. It was sensational performance as Lomachenko dropped Ramirez in the first round with a left hand to the body and a right hand to the head. Lomachenko dominated the fight the rest of the way until ending it in highlight-reel fashion in the fourth round when he jammed a hard left hook to Ramirez's body and dropped him to his knees as referee Russell Mora counted him out at 2 minutes, 59 seconds.

    If Lomachenko gets his way, and is still up for the task, Arum plans to match him with newly crowned featherweight titlist Orlando Salido (who won a vacant world title in the co-feature) as soon as January. Longer range, Arum wants to match Lomachenko with junior featherweight champ Guillermo Rigondeaux, the two-time Cuban Olympic gold medalist. As great as Lomachenko was as an amateur, it remains to be seen if he is really ready for an assignment as tough as Salido probably would be.
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    "If this kid was a black United States citizen the U.S. conventional media would be comparing him into some kind of a Tyson/Ali/RJJ/Mayweather mix."

    He'd be said to have a "room brightening smile" and be in one of those all-black Subway commercials.
     
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    I see the self-loathing fat wiggers on the boxing forums are already starting to discredit and bash Lomachenko.

    Max Kellerman was desperately trying to find something negative to say about him during the HBO telecast, but went silent for a few minutes after Lomachenko floored Ramirez in round one.

    Eric Raskin, David Greisman and other white-Gentile-hating boxing writers will be very negative about Lomachenko, as they've always been to the best white fighters like Joe Calzaghe and the Klitschkos. Today, Greisman has an article on the main page of boxingscene praising Timothy Bradley, who ran from 40-year-old Marquez for 12 rounds.

    No matter what a white fighter does, we can expect nothing but negativity from such people.
     
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    I'm not ordinarily interested in the light weights, but this fellow is so extraordinary. The Russian who beat him in the amateurs and then lost two close rematches is also obviously very good but hasn't turned pro yet. Another lightweight fighter that fascinated me wasn't white at all, he was a south american indian, and i don't believe that he committed suicide either.
     
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    [video=youtube;1uu53aCFeco]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uu53aCFeco[/video]
     
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    This is so true! He would probably have a 5 minute special on sportscenter. It would be sandwiched inbetween Adrian Petersons son's memorial piece and the "oh my god, the first black gymnast to win blah blah blah!" piece.
     
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    Just a couple of weeks now until Lomachenko tries to win a world title in just his second pro fight.

    Too bad Max Kellerman will be discrediting him on HBO. I'll watch it on some other stream.
     
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    My thoughts ahead of Lomachenko-Salido this Saturday;I'm a huge supporter of Vasyl Lomachenko and I will be rooting for him to win his first title this Saturday. It would be truly spectacular if he pulls it off and manages to win a world title in his 2nd pro fight.

    *However in my opinion, it's a very risky move* by Vasyl and his team, and although Vasyl is extremely talented and probably the best amateur boxer of alltime, I don't think it's a good fight to take right now for Vasyl. Had I been managing Vasyl, I would suggest for Vasyl to have at least 10 pro fights before title-challenging.

    There are significant differences between amateur and professional boxing, and it can take time for a great amateur to feel comfortable and begin performing his best in the pro's. Consider:

    - Wladimir Klitschko is an example of an Olympic Gold Medalist who needed time to adjust to pro boxing, even losing a few early and mid career fights (Purrity, Sanders, Brewster), then learning from those experiences to become the tremendous pro boxer that he is today.

    - Gennady Golovkin is another example of an Olympic medalist, who took a good 20 or so "developmental fights", even going the distance in some of them, before title-challenging and becoming the tremendous pro boxer that he is today.

    - Andre Ward is another example of an Olympic Gold medalist, who needed about 15 "developmental fights" before title-challenging. In fact, Ward went this distance in many of these fights (often times against no-name level opposition), and was even knocked down or hurt in a few. Although I don't like him, I have to admit, he has developed to become one of the better boxers in the game today.

    The point I am making with these examples is that amateur and professional boxing are different and it is necessary to develop a fighter with 10, 15, or even 20 fights before title-challenging.

    As good as Wladimir, Gennady, and Andre are today, if they had fought for a world title in their second fight, they all probably would have lost, because at that time in their career they wouldn't have been prepared for it.

    That being said, Vasyl Lomachenko has a better amateur record than all aforementioned three boxers, and he has that special something. Vasyl Lomachenko is probably the best amateur boxer we've ever seen and it may be true that he doesn't need to develop any further.

    Risky fight for Vasyl and I'd prefer if he had a few more pro fights before taking it. My head says Lomachenko, but my gut says that a Salido upset win is somewhat possible. I just hope Lomachenko is ready to go 12 rounds, because Salido is a very tough dude and if you're not ready to go the 12 he will stop you...

    If Vasyl does manage to win the fight, it will be one of the greatest achievements I've seen in boxing in over 15 years. Actually, it would probably stand out to me as the biggest achievement I've ever seen in pro boxing.

    I've never seen a boxer win a world championship with less than 5 fights. I think its happened once or twice in boxing history in Japan (roughly 150 years that this sport has existed) but it's extremely rare. Most title-challengers have between 20 to 40 fights under their belt.
     
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    Salido is gritty and tough but Lomachenko is in another class skill and athletic ability wise. The only thing you have to worry about if you support Loma is if he gasses out because he isn't accustomed to the distance and pace. I think think this is less of problem than if he was a heavyweight as 126 pound fighters are ideally suited for aerobic activity. Ps many times prospects like Wlad are brought along slowly to build up their record for a world title fight. Beating up on weaker opponents than you fought in the amateurs doesn't prepare you for a tough champion. But as I noted heavyweights have to worry about stamina issues too.
     
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    Many on boxing sites are saying that Salido purposely came in overweight with the purpose of bullying and taking Vasyl into deep water and drowning him. That may be his strategy but this kid is too good and young. I see Vasyl with a late KO or rout.
     
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    Big fight today: Loma vs Salido. Liked the comments above. Read your comment Box Spec., good write, but if we all agreed on everything it wouldn't be any fun would it? I take a slightly different view of this fight.

    In most cases, yes, an amateur needs to take a longer apprenticeship in the pros before fighting for a title. The amateur needs to get used to the different gloves, no head gear, less protection from the ref, the crowds, three minute rounds instead of two, longer fights of more rounds, roughness, the injury attacks, etc. But Loma is a different than most.

    After winning more than 400 amateur fights, fighting in Olympic tournaments and winning Gold, fighting in the World Series and cleaning everyone's clock, and blowing away a top contender in his first official pro fight, Loma has already shown his skill is beyond compare. Loma is exceptional. I could write about this point by point but what for? Look at it this way, if this fight were 6-8 rounds would there be any doubt at all as to who would win? No. Salido would get completely smoked. Salido brings no skill set or power that Loma couldn't negate.

    The only uncertainty in this fight is stamina. Doubt Loma's father would have accepted this fight without being prepared for 12.
    Loma probably sparred 15-20 non stop. Salido better have stamina, he's bringing a rifle to a fight against a machine gun. How long will Salido take shots while hoping to land one? Salido's plan is to hope the machine gun runs out of ammo. Aye! In his recent fights, Salido has been dropped several times. Loma should win easily if he doesn't waste too much energy with unnecessary footwork. That's probably his plan.

    Loma by UD.
     
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    I scored the fight a draw. Loma, should not have taken a fighter of Salido's caliber. He almost KO'd Salido at the end. The most corrupt Ref Larry Cole allowed Salido to grab for dear life at the end. Even HBO called him the worst. Also, Loma's team is horrible. Why would you allow your fighter to fight an opponent 20 lbs heavier. Loma, bit off too much. He needs to learn in fighting. Live and learn.
     

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