Up to 8 whites on the field for Denver

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  1. referendum

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    According to my calculations, when Denver has Dave Kirkus on the field, they have 8 white players on the field, Plummer, their O line, their tight end, and Kirkus. Just wish he'd be on the field more. I guess similar numbers are at play when Heath Evans and the white tight end, forgot his name, are on the field for New England, and for the Colts when Clark and Utecht are on the field together. (though I think the Colts O line has at least one black.).
     
  2. backrow

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    yeah plus all of Denver TEs are white (Alexander, Scheffler, Jackson).

    what about defense though :( Colts - 0, Broncos - 1 or 2, Pats - 2
     
  3. Don Wassall

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    The Broncos always start one black on their o-line (currently George Foster). Foster is the obligatory sumo-sized lineman while the white starters are all relatively smaller and much quicker and more athletic than sumos.


    The Colts have one black lineman - the very over-rated Tarik Glenn (sumo). They have seven whites when both Dallas Clark and Ben Utecht are on the field at the same time. The Colts also use black TE Byron Fletcher.


    The Patriots started with an all-white line, then hada black starter, but he recently went on IR so presumably they'll be all white again. When Heath Evans and David Thomas or Garrett Mills plays that gives them upwards of eight white offensive players at one time. Thomas is being lined up as a wide receiver on some plays.
     
  4. white is right

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    I haven't watched a Patriots game all season is Garrett Mills being used as tight end or a fullback?Edited by: white is right
     
  5. Colonel_Reb

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    Mills is used as a tight end, but is listed as injured right now on their depth chart. Didn't someone mention that the Lions are starting up to 9 whites on offense at times?Edited by: Colonel_Reb
     
  6. referendum

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    Thats right Lions have up to 9 whites on the field at one time, but as they aren't a good team, its more exciting when New England, the Colts and Broncos have a majority white offense. Concerning defense, the fact that all of those teams have such few whites playing tells me that there might be more myths about the inablility of whites to play defensive positions than there are for offensive positions, and that such myths are strong even for teams that are far less anti-white than most.
     
  7. devans

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    The Denver Offence isn't too bad.
     
  8. White Shogun

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    After reading Devan's post, I decided to visit NFL.com to check out just how good Denver's offense really is. My impression is that they were much better than 'not too bad.' I was wrong. It's amazing how we get certain impressions of things when the numbers tell a different story.

    Denver is ranked 19th in overall offense. Some of the teams ranked higher include such offensive juggernauts as the Washington Redskins, Detroit Lions, Minnesota Vikings, and yes, the Miami Dolphins!

    His Airness, Steve McNair and the Baltimore Ravens are ranked lower in total offense than all these teams, too, as are the Jags and Titans.

    It's hard to judge some of these teams by listening to and reading the media reports about them. The stats for offense show just how far you can go with a great D.

    Edited by: White Shogun
     
  9. Don Wassall

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    Mike Shanahan has gone over the edge this year when it comes to using running backs. Before he was always the "mad genius," shuffling backs in and out who always did well, thanks in large part to Denver's smallish, athletic, almost all-white line. Now, he's just "mad."


    And Jake Plummer has been shackled quite a bit this year despite having Javon Walker, Rod Smith, and some good white TEs to throw to. Kircus has been non-existent in the passing game and it wouldn't surprise me if he's out of the league for good after this season. The Broncos are relying on their defense to win games, with Plummer merely "managing" the offense, which isn't his style.
     
  10. devans

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    Sorry - typo!
    I was responding to Referendums point that....

    "the Lions have up to 9 whites on the field at one time, but as they aren't a good team".

    I meant to say the DETROIT offence ain't too bad!

    because this is where eight of the nine white starters spend their time.
     
  11. hedgehog

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    Why did Denver spend $30 million for a tight end? That is one of their strongest positions. The moves some of these teams make just baffles me [​IMG]


    Broncos reach agreement on 5-year with TE Graham

    DENVER (AP) -- The Denver Broncos have reached an agreement with tight end Daniel Graham on a five-year, $30-million deal that includes $15 million in guaranteed money.

    A team spokesman said he could not comment. The deal was disclosed by a person familiar with the deal who requested anonymity because it had not yet been signed.

    Graham, 28, had been with New England since the Patriots drafted him with the 21st pick in the 2002 draft. He caught 120 passes for 1,393 yards and 17 touchdowns in his time with the Patriots.

    The 6-foot-3, 257-pound Graham grew up in Denver and attended the University of Colorado. His father, Tom Graham, played linebacker for the Broncos from 1972 to 1974.

    The Broncos have been active this offseason, signing running back Travis Henry to a five-year deal Monday with $12 million in guaranteed bonuses.

    Denver needed a running back after sending last season's leading rusher, Tatum Bell, to Detroit for cornerback Dre' Bly. The Lions also got offensive lineman George Foster and a fifth-round pick, and the Broncos got a sixth-round pick.

    The Broncos also traded quarterback Jake Plummer to Tampa Bay on Saturday for a conditional draft choice in 2008. Plummer has indicated on a Web site that he plans to retire instead. And they acquired defensive tackle Dan Wilkinson from Miami on Saturday for a sixth-round pick in next month's draft and signed offensive lineman Montrae Holland to a one-year deal.

    The team also agreed to a deal with fullback Paul Smith.
     
  12. White Shogun

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    Neither Travis or Graham are worth that kind of money, IMO.

    Wasn't Denver's secondary already supposed to be pretty good? Why trade away Tatum Bell for Dre' Bly, and then sign Travis Henry? Why not just keep Tatum and draft a decent corner (Eric Weddle?) instead?

    Why did they draft Scheffler?

    We need an emoticon scratching 'is head, cause I'm certainly scratching mine after reading this.
     
  13. backrow

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    i really hope that Scheffler wont get a short end of the stick on that one... wtf were they thinking???
     
  14. ocaamikedm11

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    Denver has made no sense this offseason, it will be interesting to see how they will draft.
     
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    This whole offseason has been a bit baffling with some of the contract figures. That said, CB Foxworth was shot earlier this year so that created a need for them right there. Word is that the Broncs are shopping Bly around anyway. As for RB, I guess they got sick of Tatum's fumbles. Henry ran pretty hard last year and really made Vince Young look a lot better than he was. Either way I'm rooting for local Arizona guy Mike Bell. I wouldn't worry about Daniel Graham much either Shogun, he's more of a blocker anyway. I don't imagine he'll take much of anything away from Scheffler in the receiving game.
     
  16. White Shogun

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    jared,
    I forgot about their other cornerback being shot. Way to open up a vacancy, geez. [​IMG]

    And I got the two Bell's confused, too. [​IMG]

    I'm beginning to wonder why I wrote that post at all. [​IMG]
     
  17. jared

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    Slo Mo Clarett aside, the Broncos tend to make smart decisions in my opinion. Now if they'd only make another brilliant decision and get Kircus on the field more.
     

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