UEFA EURO 2016

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  1. Porthos

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    It was a bad tournament for all-White teams, and pretty bad regarding the level and aesthetics of the game, however it was not a bad tournament for White players. In other words, I would go a bit beyond the simplified "non-White teams regularly beat White teams and this is making us ridiculous" logic. The reason behind it is that the "non-White" teams also have the best White players, and - very frequently - a skeleton of White players. Take France for example - their skeleton is Lloris, Koscielny, Payet, Giroud, Griezman. The others are pretty interchangeable. Of these only Payet is non-White. The Portugal-France game was largely presented (by unfriendly media!) as the duel between Ronaldo and Griezman, not as a duel between Nani and Pogba. In addition there are a number of highly propagandized super-expensive Black players who flopped pretty miserably (Pogba, Alaba, Martial, the whole coterie of Belgian Negroes etc.), and very few who actually emerged positively (Sanchez, maybe Coman). On the other side the stars of the tournament were almost all Whites players - Griezman, Bale, Ronaldo, even Perisic etc. Same thing with the team competitions. Someone mentioned Real Madrid "darkening", but the stars even there are still White - Ronaldo, Modric, Bale, Ramos, Kroos (btw. facing an all-White Atletico in the final)... Same with Bayern where the key players are Neuer, Lahm, Lewandowsky, Muller... I wouldn't put the EPL teams in the same category as the big Spanish, German, even Italian teams. The English (not only the owners/coaches/pundits, but apparently even the fans) simply love their big, "pacy", physical Black players and are willing to pay enormous amounts of money for these types of players. This is distorting the whole transfer-market. However their performance in the European leagues (not to mention the National Team) lately has been modest at best, even with all their money (bear in mind that if we include the new SkyTV contract for TV rights, the EPL will earn close to 8B Euros a Year, almost 4 times more than the second-richest league, the Spanish Liga).
    Bottom line, the "non-White" teams win not because of non-Whites, but despite them, because they also typically field the best White players.
     
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    Porthos, I think you sumed up quite well the situation. You can understand reactions of Frederic or me.
    I would add that Payet is from overseas territories, indeed La Réunion: the name Payet is one of the most widespread there, one ancestor was the French soldier Antoine PAYET dit La Roche. So he is not even black, neither from immigration nor Muslim (indeed catholic, as he is one French player who crosses himself regularly as we see on TV), which is why he is not a propaganda tool for liberal media.
     
  3. frederic38

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    porthos, by koeman, you mean kingsley coman?
    he was a satisfaction especially compared with anthony martial although not a starter

    i didn't post too much about this because i was afraid that he would score a few goals and have a good tournament, but pogba was really the main focus of these euro champs, he was everywhere in the media
    it might be the most important thing out of these euro champs, that pogba did nothing and disapointed
     
  4. Porthos

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    Yes, sorry for the atrocious spelling, Coman, the Bayern guy. He did nothing special, but compared with other colored "celebrity" players (especially Pogba, but also Martial, Alaba, the Lukaku brothers, Divock Origi, Fellaini etc. etc. who all flopped miserably) he had a decent tournament. The best Black player for France by far was Sissoko - a defensive middlefielder with zero skills and creativity - which tells it all about the quality of the "African" part of the team.
     
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    we can also add that sissoko is was part of the infamous newcastle that was relegated this season
    he has good chances of moving to another club though
    he was really on fire during some matches of the euro champs lol, he made pogba look like an amateur
     
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    Frederic -

    It’s obvious that our conceptions of race in sport (and - by extension - race in general) are fundamentally different. You emphasise that various prominent black players are “mixed”, the inference being that this somehow makes them less offensive and damaging than "full-blooded" Negroes or those with a “full-blooded” phenotype. Your continual assurances that things aren’t too bad are therefore understandable.

    In Your eyes, the last Champions League final “was won by a team with zero European blacks, zero African blacks, only a few South American mixed players and the usual Arab marketing player” and may readily be cited as evidence that Whites and “South Americans” are dominating soccer. I, on the other hand, looked at Real Madrid’s lineup and was thoroughly disgusted to see five non-Whites plus a second half non-White substitute. The provenance of blacks, mulattoes, et cetera is ultimately irrelevant. After all, the anti-White agenda is fed by the presence of non-Whites - not by their country of origin.

    In addition, a “marketing” player is a terrible burden for an elite team like Real Madrid to bear as this means that one of their ten outfield players is patently substandard. Yet the team featuring the “marketing player” still overcame the team with no “marketing players”. That in itself can only be construed as a negative.

    I said nothing about Pogba (who is rapidly becoming a bit of an obsession around here…). Therefore, I did not imply that either the ridiculous hype surrounding him nor any speculative “record breaking” transfer fee attributed to him is in the least justified. I merely stated that it is natural for Negro players who are members of teams that reach the latter stages of major tournaments to receive some sort of praise. After all, football is a team sport. If the “bit-part” players and - to quote the great footballer but complete tosser Eric Cantona - “water carriers” were all White, I suspect Your attitude towards them might be somewhat less dismissive.

    You must admit that You spend an inordinate amount of time and effort lambasting every “French” Negro as some sort of comically bumbling idiot with under-7’s skills and even less tactical awareness - yet “France” still reached the final with a team packed full of these players… ;)

    With all due respect, when people single-mindedly attribute a majority-black team’s success solely to the performances of a small handful of Whites it only makes us look like a pack of tendentious agenda merchants without a scrap of integrity and objectivity. In fact, we begin to resemble the 1990s media which habitually went out of its way to give exclusive game winning credit to goalscoring black strikers while minimising the input of the nine or ten Whites on the field.

    As I said earlier, football is a team game. If the average viewer sees a team swarming with blacks beating a team with next to no non-Whites, what broad conclusions do You think our average viewer will draw?
     
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    Matra2 -

    Yes, Eder did absolutely nothing at Swansea. He is a perennial substitute at international level and it’s unfortunate that such an African-born player scored the winning goal (albeit via a speculative bobbling grass cutter ;)) and became the “face” of Portugal’s win.
     
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    Porthos -

    How do You think most people interpret what they see on the field or via their highlights packages on TV? The majority of punters don’t view football in terms of spines, fibulae, ulnae, or whatnot. They simply see teams full of “black guys” beating teams full of “white guys”. It may seem awfully “simplified” but that’s how the notion of Negro athletic superiority spreads.

    The fact that only two of the quarterfinalists had all-White squads and five of the quarterfinalists started three-plus non-Whites may not be too bad for some - but it's more than enough to raise my ire. A final contested between Portugal and France sickened me. But if people don’t mind such an outcome and prefer to concentrate on the performances of a few key White players, that’s fine with me. I’m just saying that this tournament did far more overarching harm to our “cause” than good.

    By the way, do You remember the following question I posed in the 2014 World Cup thread?

    http://castefootball.us/index.php?threads/2014-world-cup-finals-part-two.16576/page-38#post-306976

    You didn’t proffer an opinion so let’s update the question in the wake of Euro 2016:

    If Cristiano Ronaldo, Antione Griezmann, Toni Kroos, Laurent Koscielny, and Hugo Lloris turned out as guest players for Uganda against a full-strength, in-form Croatia at the Maksimir, do You believe they would exert sufficient influence to successfully overcome the glaring deficiencies of their six Ugandan Negro cohorts? Who would You tip to win such a match?
     
  9. Matra2

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    I don't think his name has come up much here but Andre-Pierre Gignac had a poor tournament. It wasn't entirely his fault as he was always a sub but when he did come on he looked like he cared more about scoring for himself rather than the team.

    BTW it is weird that he plays in Mexico. I've watched the Mexican league. It is complete rubbish. Even a small European league - Portugal, the Netherlands - would be better than playing in Mexico.
     
  10. frederic38

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    rebajlo, for me a non white is a non white, i am like you on this, but the injustice in today's soccer is that there are way too many european and african blacks in european soccer, while south american (white and non white) and european whites have been dominating soccer

    that's why i put the south american non whites in a different cateory than the european and african blacks

    this way we can see that obviously something is wrong in soccer

    also a player with 10% black blood (like many south american players) is going to be much different than a player with 100% black blood obviously, so a difference has to be made here
    fortunately the fact that france has an endless supply of black players makes it easy for us on that part, most of the black players in europe are 100% black or at least 50%


    "I said nothing about Pogba (who is rapidly becoming a bit of an obsession around here…). Therefore, I did not imply that either the ridiculous hype surrounding him nor any speculative “record breaking” transfer fee attributed to him is in the least justified. I merely stated that it is natural for Negro players who are members of teams that reach the latter stages of major tournaments to receive some sort of praise. After all, football is a team sport. If the “bit-part” players and - to quote the great footballer but complete tosser Eric Cantona - “water carriers” were all White, I suspect Your attitude towards them might be somewhat less dismissive."

    i have no problem praising the black players on the french team for what they actually do
    matuidi can run for a very long time without getting tired for example
    the problem is when people try to act like he's something else
    in the past he has been presented almost as a playmaker in the media
    and the black midfielders in the french team make many fouls and are very physical
    even the white midfielders like cabaye, unfortunately we only saw him once but immediately when he came in he made a big foul
    it looks like deschamps only planned to use him as a time-wasting player when france was leading
     
  11. Lisa D return

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    Gignac had difficulties to score, but he had an excellent team spirit, encouraging his alter ego -Olivier Giroud- rather than competing with him. That was ultimately good, as the hierarchy between the two players was not to be questioned.
     
  12. frederic38

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    lisa, don't you think that maybe gignac was important in the french team as a former marseille star? i think if people make a french team without players from marseille a big part of the soccer fans in france are going to be upset
     
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    obviously i was rooting 100% for atletico to win and i was very, very disapointed to see them lose again in the final
    but real madrid right now have the number 1 most expensive player ever, and also the number 2 most expensive player ever
    atletico madrid's "key" player is griezmann, who they got for not much money
    they are on another level obviously

    still, if you look at both teams from the day real madrid bought benzema, real madrid has won 1 league title and 2 champions leagues
    the 2 champions league will make it look better, but only 1 league title is pathetic
    atletico madrid have won as many league titles and they could have won 2 champions leagues too, as the final matches between real madrid and atletico have both been extremely close
     
  14. Lisa D return

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    Interesting. It's true that there are clubs' lobbys. For instance, let's remember the outcryfrom Lyon's fans for Umtiti and for Lacazette as they were not part of the French team.
    And Marseilles' fans are out the most chauvinistic.
    At the same time, you don't have so many Ligue 1's players.
     
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    true, lyon have a lot of fans because of their historical domination in the 2000's
    marseille similarly have a lot of fans all over france because they are the only french team to have won the champions league
     
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    I also think that some players would have played in the national team if there were in a club with more "aggressive" fans: for example, the midfielder Julien Féret, who was an amazing player in Nancy or Rennes, was only preselected by Laurent Blanc. He would have deserved more selections. And he is so mature, humble and team-oriented.
     
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    Rebajlo, the TV propaganda machine, like ESPN here in the US (ESPN = Jews promoting Blacks) will always promote non-Whites no matter what. In this tournament they did get a bit more ammunition than usual because of the blackness of the teams in the finals, but even if the finals were (for example) Germany - Austria the spotlight (and the camera close-ups during the game) would have probably been mostly on Boateng and Alabba. I do admit this was a bad tournament for White teams and I'm not happy about it, but not necessarily bad for White players. I stand by this. My general line of reasoning is that non-Whites in general and Blacks in particular are not that good in this sport as media would like us to believe (although I admit they might be better than us in some sports like the 100 meter dash, Basketball and some others). I still think White players are the best in this sport, and will remain so for the time being. I also think that the general darkening of this sport that started in the earnest relatively recently (in the 90s) is really part of a larger plan to multiculturalize White coutries and that the media are using the power this sport exerts on the masses to make these aliens acceptable to the society at large. I am curious to understand if your line of reasoning is similar or different. Did this tournament change your opinion? Just trying to understand the point/suggestion you are trying to make.

    Regarding the hypothetical game between Croatia and the team described above - a team comprising all these White star players would be difficult to beat, but football/soccer is a team sport where a) a lot depends on how well a team plays together, b)a football team is a kind of a "weakest link" proposition where an otherwise strong team can be defeated because the (otherwise weaker) opponent skillfully identifies and takes advantage of weak points of the team with more "star power". Since Uganda is not exactly a land brimming with football talents, I would still give a better chance of victory to a homogeneous Croatian team. The team you listed above looks like the one of these disaster movies that were so en-vogue in the 70s (think "The Towering Inferno" or similar). These movies had a cast choke-full of first-rate movie stars but the ultimate result was a pretty mediocre, non-memorable film.
     
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    This is fast becoming a real circle jerk and I'm too late to reply to many posts including some directed at me.I'll just state some facts at this point:

    The two blackest teams made it to the final,and if we were to strictly count non-whites,then(ignoring Turkey/Albania as they never had a chance) only England/Switzerland could've put a team with more non-whites than Portugal.France were on a different level altogether.

    So tell me,had I told you before the start of the tournament that the two blackest teams would reach the final,what would your reaction have been,back then?True,all the stars who are being glorified now are all whites and Griezmann and is finally getting the respect he deserves,but I believe that the blackness of the final will unmistakably hurt our cause in the long run,especially considering that the game was settled by a flash of great skill by a black while Griezmann missed a real sitter at the other end.Rebaljo has beat me to pretty much every other point I would've wanted to make,so I'll just leave it at this for now.
     
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    What is important is the trend. For France, it is a positive evolution (two White strickers, no Arabs...).
    We come from very low...
     
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    Porthos -

    The media’s unwavering exaltation of Negroes in sport is a “Cultural Marxist” staple which has been amply documented on Caste Football down the years. My first ever post in the soccer section discussed the systematic promotion of black forwards in England from the late 1970s onwards and was added as an article on the old home page. So we are in full agreement there. ;)

    I assume You clearly remember the 1988 European Championship final in which the Netherlands beat the Soviet Union 2-0. I was a teenage football nutcase at the time, getting up at all hours of the Australian night to watch the tournament - and to wince as England lost all three of their group matches ;) (ten Whites plus semi-retard-faced Jamaican John Barnes in every starting lineup). Marco van Basten scored his eye-popping volley to seal the victory but - lo and behold - next day the Sydney Morning Herald featured a photo of Ruud Gullit and the despicable Frank Rijkaard holding aloft their winners’ medals as a visual accompaniment to a pitifully inadequate write-up of the match. Instead of man of the moment van Basten - who had finished as the competition’s leading scorer with five goals in five matches - the newspaper pictured two of the Netherlands’ three non-White participants (people tend to forget the vaguely Arab-looking part-Surinamese right winger Gerald Vanenburg, while Aron Winter was an unused squad member…). Incidentally, the Soviet lineup included Rinat Dasayev and Vagiz Khidiyatullin. The former is an unmistakable Tatar while the latter is part-Tatar but looks White.

    With the exception of the likes of Luis Suarez and Neymar, the truly elite echelon of players are White. That’s something else we agree upon. ;) Significantly, none can be visually “passed off” as Negroes - hence the relentless promotion of someone like Paul Pogba by a politico-media machine which has failed to learn any lessons from the abysmally humiliating failure of the “Super Mario” campaign.

    But sport is a zero sum game and nobody can possibly deny that the teams which regularly progress to at least the quarterfinals stage of tournaments at both club and international level are becoming less and less White, which leads me to the following questions…

    At what point does the number of blacks or other non-Whites in a team become unacceptable? At what point does a predominantly black team’s success cease being an exclusive product of the endeavours of a small minority of White players?

    You included Reunionese mongrel Dimitri Payet as part of the France’s indispensable “skeleton”. Yet the fact that Payet isn’t White is just as important as the fact that he isn’t a Negro. France reached the final but never started more than four Whites. Like I said, in this case people simply see a team with six “black guys” and some sort of an “Indian” beating teams with “all or mostly White guys”.

    Let’s forget about France for a moment. Instead of focussing on the runners up, how about we have a look at the actual champions.

    Portugal started four blacks against Iceland, three blacks and a part-gypsy (Ricardo Quaresma) against Austria, and five blacks against Hungary. In the knockout stages, they started four blacks against Croatia, six blacks against Poland and five blacks against Wales. Portugal retained five black starters for the final. The gypsy Ricardo Quaresma came on for the injured Cristiano Ronaldo after 25 minutes and Portugal finished the game with six non-Whites on the field (due to an inexplicable lapse of the pen - or, more accurately, the keyboard - in an earlier post I erroneously stated that Eder had replaced Ronaldo :eek:. I have now amended the mistake). In the direct context of our discussion, it is quite notable that Portugal won the final after playing just over two-thirds of regulation time plus all of extra time without their sole White elite echelon megastar.

    Portugal scored a total of nine goals - but only three of those were scored by a White (Cristiano Ronaldo). The remaining six were divided between Nani (three), Renato Sanches, Eder and gyppo Ricardo Quaresma. Not good…

    As You correctly concluded, Croatia would beat a Uganda side featuring those five White “guest stars”. Now, let’s take the hypothesis a bit further. What if we replaced five of the six Ugandan Negroes with Jerome Boateng, David Alaba (as a left back), Blaise Matuidi, Kingsley Coman, and - just for some extra levity - Kyle Walker? Our notional team now consists of one Ugandan plus Cristiano Ronaldo, Antione Griezmann, Toni Kroos, Blaise Matuidi, Kingsley Coman, Kyle Walker, Laurent Koscielny, Jerome Boateng, and David Alaba, with Hugo Lloris in goal. Would Croatia still win? ;)
     
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    Rebajlo - I remember the 1988 Euro and that memorable goal by Van Basten. Gullit, Rijkaard and Van Basten all played for AC Milan at the time, and the Italian media were absolutely crazy about the two colored players (Rijkaard and Gullit), especially Gullit. They called him "Tulipano Nero" (the black tulip) - the 1990 equivalent of "Super Mario". What is interesting is that AC Milan also had some fantastic White players at the time (in addition to Van Basten - Baresi, Maldini, Costacurta, Ancellotti... the team won 2 European Cups/Champions Leagues in a row in that period, and added a third in 1994 but with a slightly different lineup). However these White players were all in the shadow of the "great" Ruud Gullit, the Black Tulip. The more times change, the more they stay the same.

    We agree on most points. It wasn't a good tournaments for White teams, it wasn't a good tournament for our "cause" strictly from the propaganda value point of view (although the cultural marxists in the media would have found a way to turn the things their way even if much Whiter teams were in the final). It was a more than decent tournament for White players, but more importantly - the fundamentals (Whites being superior to coloreds in this sport) did not change.
    Regarding your hypotetical game "rest-of-the-world" (ROW) against Croatia, if the Negroes in the ROW team were not some anonymous goat herders from Uganda but actually relatively competent Black players trained in Europe, the equation would be different and more difficult to predict, possibly with a slight edge for the ROW team. However, if you replace the White superstars in that team with simply "competent" overpriced Blacks (for example - instead of Ronaldo you put Martial, instead of Griezman put Divock Origi etc. ) - then the situation turns again slightly in favor of Croatia (which - it has to be noted - is a middling White team from a country of 4M, not a White football superpower).
    As mentioned - the fundamentals are the same especially for key positions that require something more than just physical presence and aggression. The positions Blacks occupy are typically defensive middlefielders (the "Makelele effect"), fullbacks and "physical" centre-forwards waiting in the middle of the penalty area to be "served". There simply are NO decent Black playmakers, goalkeepers, versatile/creative forwards like Ronaldo, Messi or Griezman and even first class reliable, consistent Black central defenders (thik Chiellini or Mats Hummels) are practically non existent.
     
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    Porthos -

    Naturally, I only chose Croatia as the hypothetical White team because You happen to be Croatian. ;) But putting together such scenarios can be a bit tricky these days as the European “superpowers” regularly feature non-Whites in their starting lineups or - in the case of Italy - on the bench. Even “eastern European” nations now start the occasional black / non-White or have done so in the comparatively recent past (Emmanuel Olisadebe and Roger for Poland; Eduardo and Sammir for Croatia; Karim Guede for Slovakia; Theodor Gebre Selassie for the Czech Republic; Lucio Wagner and Marquinhos for Bulgaria). Such is the lamentable state of “European” football...

    Sure, there are currently no genuine world-class black playmakers or forwards - although one must admit that Borussia Dortmund’s Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang has developed into a dependable top class striker over the past five seasons. Neymar isn’t a Negro but he’s unmistakably non-White / part-black and most definitely in the vanguard of elite megastars. Any non-White who consistently displays such a level of ability is bad PR news for us.
     

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