Top African distance runners all BUSTED finally

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After this evidence, do you think that Africans are "naturally" better runners?

  1. Nope, never thought that

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  2. No, this proves the extent of their cheating

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  3. Yes, and I need to retreat to a "safe space" after reading this

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  1. trackster

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    I won't get into all of the details, but this is big, as in really big. The dirtiest coach in distance running, Jama Aden of Somalia, was just arrested in Spain, where they found all sorts of used syringes, EPO, and steroids in his hotel room. It has been common knowledge for years that he is the head of a doping ring, and the news had been leaked to Lets Run as long as three years ago. Aden's various African runners have been making a mockery of the sport for years. They include G. Dibaba, the Ethiopian who has been lapping the best runners in the world, and T. Makloufi, who blew the doors off everyone to win the 1500 gold in the Olympics.

    Many of these runners (all of whom have beaten every test for years) were present in the hotel when the arrests were made.

    The only question is: which names will go down, and who will escape? The biggest name is all is that filthy cheat Mo Farah. Although popularly associated with Alberto Salazar, Farah alone goes off every year and trains with Aden. Farah, like Aden, is Somalian, although in the UK everyone has to pretend that he is British i order to be politically correct.

    The best place to follow the story (which will be developing for some time, I imagine) is Lets Run, where there is a deep and abiding hatred of dopers.
     
  2. sprintstar

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    I am not shocked by this event at all. For so many years we as whites have been told that Negro's were superior athletes and that Kenyan's, Ethiopians were just naturally better distance runners and with the crazy turnarounds of GD and a few Ethiopians it was just a matter of time for the truth to eventually come out. If the governing bodies of T&F can prove all of this then the proverbial **** will hit the fan. :dancer2:
     
  3. McCaffrey Dude

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    Why is it if the Russians have been doping for years that I cannot remember the last time they produced a solid 100 meter man or woman?
     
  4. fernchris55

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    I went to the "Lets Run" website and the links to Spanish sources where this story is breaking. So far it appears this story is JUST BREAKING with speculation as to who will get busted other than Jama Aden and his assistants. The Spanish authorities will be testing the used syringes and searching the belongings of all the athletes staying at the hotel. Mo Farah tweeted as this affair became news from some outside location. Wait and see. Aden is a big fish and even if all his team is proven guilty they are still just a small fraction of the East Africa running machine. This is no where as huge as the Russian national ban which took years to happen because of the corruption in the IAAF. Seb Coe said he was going to clean up the drug business in the Sport and so far on his watch we've seen the Russians and now this developing story. Good luck to him as there will be extraordinary pressure to suppress this blow to the image of athletics once again as the Idolatrous Olympics approach.
     
  5. mastermulti

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    Seems physiology plays a role. In the late 80s (Seoul '88) they challenged the U.S. in the 4 x 100 with significantly slower runners one on one just because of their teamwork.
    They concentrate on their walkers now (and that's why our Australian guy was just awarded a Gold medal for walking, London Olympics, only a fortnight ago).
     
  6. fernchris55

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    The Americans never made the 4 x 100 final in Seoul 1988 as they screwed up the baton exchange in the semi's. The Russians acquitted themselves well, but as you noted they did not have blazing speed, but great stick work. The last leg though of that race saw Vitaly Savin run a gutsy anchor as he held off Linford Christie (the 100 meter silver medalist) as he yielded no ground.
     
  7. white is right

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    You have to remember the average fan doesn't really follow the sport beyond watching major championships or the Diamond League events, so their knowledge is minimal.

    East Africans have been competing in distance events since the late 60's and truly only started dominating distance running since the early 90's. This coincides with Western coaches setting up shop in Kenya and Ethiopia and having a free reign to dope their runners with little worry of failed testing.

    In Western countries obvious doping will get you banned from the sport or even arrested. Also similar to Russia earning semi pro type money as a runner to top salaries goes so much further in these poor countries, so top talent from poor countries are more willing to try and get the prize money and medals either crookedly or honestly.
     
  8. white is right

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    Russian male sprinting is at the moment abysmal, I don't think they have any runners running the b level for the Olympics in the 100. I don't know if talented runners are even trying to make it in the sport or nobody is being recruited at the club level to be a sprinter.
     
  9. fernchris55

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    "Seems physiology plays a role."

    I agree. Though this site rightfully exposes the prejudices of the Caste system (subconscious beliefs and or virtue signaling of mostly White decision makers) the idea that all human populations are equal is obviously wrong. In I.Q. we have the bell-curve effect and there are also obvious differences in physical characteristics as well. That's not to say that biological determinism should be applied to an individual, which is why many decision makers make the mistake of stereotyping the individual based on group observations. Just like the bell-curve graph there are exceptions on the edges.
    The arguments concerning PED use are mostly a wash as the motive to cheat is UNIVERSAL even if it is for a variety of reasons.
    Anyone who follows this sport religiously (I have since the late 60's) and knows the history from its beginning is aware that this cheating is nothing new.
    The prior success and domination by European peoples had more to do with opportunity than anything else. As third world stock gained entrance into the sport it inevitably led to mixed success for all groups. We've entered the stage in the sport where Universal participation has led to a large sample size that begins to bring out the highly specialized underlying genetic characteristics that lead to success at the very highest level in the various disciplines of track & field events. These are so unique that we end up with a single tribe of 500,000 people in the Kenyan highlands dominating 20 % of the Worlds success in long distance running for example.
    The fact that they cheat doesn't erase the fact that the competition elsewhere in the World has the same means and motivations (in their various personal ways) to cheat as well and they most certainly do. EPO is the chief culprit in these obscene times being posted.

    The opinions expressed in the links below may offend some folks on this site, but then they offend the Left even worse.
    Give it a read.

    http://www.jonentine.com/reviews/runnersweb.htm
    http://run-down.com/guests/je_black_athletes_p2.php
     
  10. Jack Reacher

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    The problem that many athletes in the US - including Galen Rupp and Matt Centrowitz - have with the E. Africans is the fact that they have been able to completely avoid out of season testing for almost 30 years. Rupp, Centrowitz, other Americans, Europeans, Japanese, etc. are tested 8, 10, 20 times per year. MOST of their competition from E. Africa ends up being tested between 1 and 3 times. This isn't an exaggeration, it's been "news" before, even on cucked sites like Letsrun. The E. Africans have a decent percentage of talented individuals, but the rampant drug use which was condoned behind the scenes has led to artificially high numbers of E. African "champions". The fear of drug testing alone has dramatically cut the numbers of E. Africans able to run under 13 min in the 5k and 27 min in the 10k after years of seeing hordes of scrawny E. Africans post times like these.

    Rupp has been tested over 25 times two out of the last three seasons. A certain Mr. Epstein decided to do a hit piece on he and his coach (Al Salazar) in advance of the reports they knew that were coming out last year that indicated heavy PED use by Africans and lots of Caribbeans, Central and South Americans as well. Does anyone think any Cuban or Jamaican athletes are clean? Seems the powers that be love them third world affletes. While the accusations against Rupp, Salazar, Centrowitz and the rest turned out to be baseless, the media has done its best to ignore the cheating by third worlders and concentrate on the "evil" Russians.

    The fact that the Rosas have been nabbed in Kenya may indicate something big is going on behind the scenes. Or it's all going to be turned around, twisted to show that third worlders wouldn't even take an aspirin to gain an advantage.

    As for the links, Jon Entine is a jew who absolutely hates Whites. He should be ignored.
     
  11. trackster

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    I probably should have posted the news here instead of in the general 2016 thread, but a lot of people have been detained by the police now in Kenya--some doctors, along with the aforementioned Rosas (who are agents). But the big news is the video evidence of PEDS all over the top training camp. The Kenyans do nothing to conceal their cheating because they have never had to. Jack Reacher is correct, they don't test in Kenya out of competition and when they do test the athletes get a warning at least a day in advance.

    And Jack, it is true that the Entine book should be ignored, but you should probably just ignore Fernchris as well. He's been trolling the track boards, accusing athletes like Dafne Schippers of taking steroids, for some time now. When he promoted the awful Entine book it removed any doubts that he was a troll.
     
  12. mastermulti

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    yep. I was picturing Rome the year before when Lewis did that damage to Krylov on the final leg
     
  13. mastermulti

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    I remember that clearly. Christie stormed back some ground early but Savin held him once they were both at top whack
     
  14. mastermulti

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    My first major interest dates back to '68 Olympics where our Peter Norman split the Americans. Then I spent entire nights awake taping major championships from 1980 to 1996.
    With regards doing whatever it takes to achieve victory Stella Walsh immediately springs to mind.
    Fred Lorz, 1904 St Louis marathon, thought getting a lift in a car for 11 miles passed the "reasonable" test
     
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