Toby Gerhart

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  1. TwentyTwo

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    A black coach at the HS where I work; who happens to be a Saints fan...would like to see Gerhart land with the 32nd pick to the Saints; to replace Mike Bell...he gave him big props with the 4.5 40 time; but comparedhim to Alstott(he really meant as a compliment)...I said Toby is better...the Sun Bowl really impressed him where Toby had a big game vs the Oklahoma Sooners; eventhough everybody in the stadium he was getting the ball; he was able to have a BIG GAME...

    He's a blend of Larry Johnson; Michael Turner & Steven Jackson IMO...sprimkled with a lilttle old sckool Riggins...

    Any suprise that Gerhart had the highest Wonderlic score for RB's.

    Maybe Brandon Hardin can break-thru the rigid caste-system as a starting CB in 2012?? The next Sehorn....Edited by: TwentyTwo
     
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    The Yahoo story is making an impact. As another poster stated, Hannity discussed it on his program last night. This morning on Fox & Friends it was again discussed, with Gretchen Carlson say what we are have be saying. He is being decriminated because he is white, reverse discrimination and was outraged by the comments of "do you feel entitled because your a white RB". Great!
     
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    Hannity also discussed it on his radio show (heard it on the way home from work) with ESPN buffoon Stephen A. "Smiff" & CBS analyst (former OU sooner TB) Spencer Tillman. "Smiff" was equating Toby's 4.5 to LB speed (quoting "BJ Spilla's" 4.3 40 y/d). Fortunately, Tillman chimed in & said Toby had a good 40 time for this years crop of RBs and awesome 40 y/d for a 6'0 230+ player![​IMG] I was glad to hear Toby get that kind of mainstream air time!
     
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    I always had a problem with the term "reverse discrimination". Discrimination is the same, regardless of the races involved on either side. Plus, wouldn't reverse discrimination just be...not discriminating?
     
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    Toby has a great move off of first contact with a defender. He is a 4+ yd back in the NFL especially in the zone scheme. My WAG is the Patriots and I would guess that Belechiks people are in a Machivellian way spreading the bad rumors so as to scoop him up ASAP.
     
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    [​IMG]Edited by: Don Wassall
     
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    let's hope the Texans pick him in the second round.
     
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    USA Today's Did skin color keep Stanford RB Toby Gerhart from being a first-round pick?

    Stanford RB Toby Gerhart rushed for 1,871 yards and 27 TDs last season, a performance that nearly earned him the Heisman Trophy for a team that finished 8-5.

    But it doesn't sound like Gerhart, who was not selected in Round 1 of the NFL draft Thursday night, is having much luck outrunning stereotypes.

    Gerhart is white. The majority of NFL tailbacks are not.

    "I'm just a running back who tries to do what he can to win games and score touchdowns, but people have their opinions, and it's kind of frustrating," Gerhart told Yahoo! NFL writer Michael Silver.

    "People say, 'He's slow,' or 'He's not going to be able to break tackles at the next level.' In college I went up against players like (USC's) Brian Cushing and Clay Matthews -- guys who ended up making the Pro Bowl -- and I ran through their tackles. It's too bad people look at you all weird because of a stereotype."

    The 231-pound Gerhart ran a 4.50 40 at the combine and had a vertical leap of 38 inches, fairly explosive numbers but obviously not enough to vault him into the first round.

    "One team I interviewed with asked me about being a white running back," Gerhart said. "They asked if it made me feel entitled, or like I felt I was a poster child for white running backs. I said, 'No, I'm just out there playing ball. I don't think about that.' I didn't really know what to say."

    Opinions seem mixed on Gerhart, who was obviously productive but also absorbs a lot of punishment and isn't especially shifty. One scout told Silver that Gerhart's pigmentation was definitely working against him.

    "He'll be a great second-round pickup for somebody, but I guarantee you if he was the exact same guy -- but he was black -- he'd go in the first round for sure," said the scout. "You could make a case that he's a Steven Jackson type -- doesn't have blazing speed but he's strong and powerful and versatile."

    Gerhart should find an employer Friday in Round 2 or 3. The Patriots, Texans, Browns, Saints and Seahawks -- coach Pete Carroll surely has an appreciation for Gerhart's ability after watching him for years in the Pac-10 -- are among the teams who look like they could be natural destinations. -- Nate Davis
     
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    [​IMG] Talk about understatement. That's like saying the majority of players in the NHL are white, or the majority of Harlem Globetrotters are black.
     
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    That was a good article; he even compared Gerhart to Steven Jackson in a sense. Certainly, that one line is an epic litote (and was probably meant to be).
     
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    I think the Vikings really surprised Houston by taking Gerhart. Houston probably thought they could still take Toby with the 58th pick but instead they have to settle for Ben Tate.
     
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    IF Toby gets reps, he'll outperform "gAy-P". Gerhart is more powerful & durable than "Peterscum". I assume the Vikes front office wanted an insurance policy/motivator for injury prone, butter-fingered "gAy-P"...OR they want a "Dunn/Alstott" combination in the backfield with Favre.
     
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    I think Toby will play alot this year the Vikings have no established backup to AP. The coach has gone on record to say that Gerhart is a running back not a fullback at least he is started out as a running back for what it's worth.
     
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    I must say I am diappointed where Toby wouund up. I think outside of Denver, that MN was probably the second worst place he could wind up. AP is probably among the top running backs in the league. Has only been in the league a few years, and is nowhere near the down hill side of his career. I was hoping Toby would go somewhere with an aging veteran running back where he could be the feature back in a couple of years.

    I believe with Toby going to MN the best we could hope for is a Mike Alstott type situation where he would split carries with AP.

    With Toby winning the Doak Walker award I was hoping he could become a superstar running back, which would open the doors for future white running backs.

    With a Mike Alstott type role in MN he will not be able to become a superstar. Mike Alstott was a great player and had a fine career, but his efforts did nothing to help further the cause of white running backs, and neither will Toby if he is splitting carries and is not given the opportunity to be a superstar,
     
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    I'm pissed he wound up there as well. Hopefully get gets at least 10 carries a game. It's a shame Houston didn't take him.
     
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    Awesome find JackNYC![​IMG] I thought I post the article here as well...

    Toby Gerhart is the NFL's 21st Century Jim Brown

    Zennie Abraham

    Thoughts on Stanford's Running Back who-should-have-won-The-Heisman Toby Gerhart before this blogger leaves Georgia for the 2010 NFL Draft in New York City (thanks to The Inn at Irving Place, part of The Small Luxury Hotels of The World brand), and in the wake of my good friend Yahoo! Sports Mike Silver's post called Race factors into evaluation of Gerhart.

    The fact that Toby Gerhart is a generational cultural test has been the case since he started running through and around people in 2009. You have to see Toby Gerhart in person to appreciate that he really is that fast.

    While the Stanford Offensive Line at times gave Toby truck-sized holes to run through, there were more occasions when Gerhart just plain knocked people over. Toby Gerhart is the NFL's 21st Century Jim Brown. Just watch:

    Now the problem is some people insist on comparing Toby to a white running back because he's white. It's racist, not because of the comparison but because it's a put down of white running backs: it's a code-name for "slow."

    Racism is to put a person down because of their skin color and that's what some NFL personnel evaluators are doing to Toby Gerhart. In effect, they're taking money out of his pocket that he'll have to win back with tough play in the league.

    Because of such perceptions, Gerhart will be selected in lower rounds of the NFL Draft when he really should be taken in the 2nd round at the worst and the low 1st round at the best.This is a player who ran for 1,871 yards and 27 touchdowns in the Pac-10. Think about it.

    Consider the racist evaluations some gave Gerhart as told to Mike Silver:

    One team I interviewed with asked me about being a white running back. They asked if it made me feel entitled, or like I felt I was a poster child for white running backs. I said, 'No, I'm just out there playing ball. I don't think about that.' I didn't really know what to say."

    That revelation alone is enough to make the blood boil. If someone said that to a black college player, they would be rightly branded racist. It's amazing someone thought they could get away with treating Toby Gerhart that way.

    But the NFL's problem is that some people in it stereotype others, thus Stanford's Toby Gerhart can't be a fast powerful running back who happens to be white, any more than Florida State Cornerback Myron Rolle can be a smart Rhodes Scholar player who happens to be black.

    Geez.

    Racism prevents the proper evaluation of college football players for the NFL. Remember this blog and Silver's article when you watch the NFL Draft Thursday night.

    Stay tuned.

    Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail??blogid=95&entry_id=61728#ixzz0m3363dFI
     
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    Awesome find JackNYC![​IMG] I thought I'd post the article here as well...

    Toby Gerhart is the NFL's 21st Century Jim Brown

    Zennie Abraham

    Thoughts on Stanford's Running Back who-should-have-won-The-Heisman Toby Gerhart before this blogger leaves Georgia for the 2010 NFL Draft in New York City (thanks to The Inn at Irving Place, part of The Small Luxury Hotels of The World brand), and in the wake of my good friend Yahoo! Sports Mike Silver's post called Race factors into evaluation of Gerhart.

    The fact that Toby Gerhart is a generational cultural test has been the case since he started running through and around people in 2009. You have to see Toby Gerhart in person to appreciate that he really is that fast.

    While the Stanford Offensive Line at times gave Toby truck-sized holes to run through, there were more occasions when Gerhart just plain knocked people over. Toby Gerhart is the NFL's 21st Century Jim Brown. Just watch:

    Now the problem is some people insist on comparing Toby to a white running back because he's white. It's racist, not because of the comparison but because it's a put down of white running backs: it's a code-name for "slow."

    Racism is to put a person down because of their skin color and that's what some NFL personnel evaluators are doing to Toby Gerhart. In effect, they're taking money out of his pocket that he'll have to win back with tough play in the league.

    Because of such perceptions, Gerhart will be selected in lower rounds of the NFL Draft when he really should be taken in the 2nd round at the worst and the low 1st round at the best.This is a player who ran for 1,871 yards and 27 touchdowns in the Pac-10. Think about it.

    Consider the racist evaluations some gave Gerhart as told to Mike Silver:

    One team I interviewed with asked me about being a white running back. They asked if it made me feel entitled, or like I felt I was a poster child for white running backs. I said, 'No, I'm just out there playing ball. I don't think about that.' I didn't really know what to say."

    That revelation alone is enough to make the blood boil. If someone said that to a black college player, they would be rightly branded racist. It's amazing someone thought they could get away with treating Toby Gerhart that way.

    But the NFL's problem is that some people in it stereotype others, thus Stanford's Toby Gerhart can't be a fast powerful running back who happens to be white, any more than Florida State Cornerback Myron Rolle can be a smart Rhodes Scholar player who happens to be black.

    Geez.

    Racism prevents the proper evaluation of college football players for the NFL. Remember this blog and Silver's article when you watch the NFL Draft Thursday night.

    Stay tuned.

    Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail??blogid=95&entry_id=61728#ixzz0m3363dFI
     
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    Any runner that is used as a workhorse- and has a powerback style- takes a beating (not just Toby). I actually thought of putting Jahvid Best or C.J Spiller ahead of Gerhart in my rankings at one point, but Toby's knee appears to be o.k. Toby is the best 1st down machine in this draft. Spiller is the best all-purpose RB threat- and Best is the best home run threat as a rusher.

    I think I'd still take a guy like Toby (basically never loses yards or fumbles- and might become the top guy in the league getting those 10-30 yard runs) than a hit or miss run guy like Best or a receiving/kick returning phenom back like Spiller (who Gerhart outdoes as a runner). Gerhart is a first down machine- and should turn into a very solid receiving back as well. He might end up being a rich man's Marion Barber!
     
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    So, would it be safe to say that the Good 'ol boy network of NFL defensive players will see to it that Toby gets injured "accidentally"? I hope he turns it around and injures them, like a 2-legged, 18 wheeler cracker truck.
     
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    I was thinking the same thing yesterday...they will be "gunning" for him...maybe even more-so by the opposing White defensive coaches than the coal-black defenses. White coaches will be motivating them to stop him (or even imply to injure him) by using these players ingrained hatred of Whitey (except for their "love" of all of the "mudshark" women out there). Such is the state of self-loathing, "colorblind" Whites today.
    </font>Edited by: Highlander
     
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    Idiot, racist black writer from BR insults Toby & says he played the race card (you know the race card that Jesse, Al and the majority of blacks play any day they don't get their way)

    He also incorrectly states that Gerhart's 4.53 40 is too slow, when out of over 30 RBs invited to the combine it was a top 10 time and comparable to the average RB in the NFL who gets playing time.

    Gerhart simply stated that one racist scout commented on his race during a visit- (which this clown is too thick headed to "believe" that there is any racism other than racism against blacks and his black idol Obama- that 98% of them voted for). I guess this clown is too stupid to look at Gerhart videos on Youtube and see that nearly 50% of the comments are about his race or comparing him to the only white RB allowed to run the ball in the last 20 years "FB" Mike Alsott.
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    Here are Toby's latest comments downplaying the whole white RB thing:
    "Like I've always said all along, I'm a running back, it's the position I play," he said. "The whole race thing is not an issue, and hopefully I just continue to get seen as a running back, and keep playing as a running back and do great things for the Minnesota Vikings."

    Toby CommentsEdited by: ToughJ.Riggins
     
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    You know I was thinking the other night how some on this site to a degree rightfully so, disparge some Jews or maybe group them all together. I think this is misguided. The enemy number 2 behind the DWF is the WHITE MEN in positions of power of these NFL teams, the DECIDERS who are more evil to our athelets than most Jews. They are worse, they forsake their kindred! They do not look out for players like Hass, Jones and more recently Woodhead. How easy it would be to TELL the Head Coaches " I want to see those respective players get a fair chance"!

    "I want to see them play" The WHITE OWNERS are the evil interloopers of the CMs, PTB and Some evil Jews. They all suck. The WHITES especially!!!
     

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