Toby Gerhart

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I also read it was "almost" a fully torn PCL. So the fact that it didn't tear completely bodes well for the the proper recovery of strength in the ligament and he doesn't need surgery. I think he will come back just as strong. It shouldn't be the kind of injury that should affect his cutting ability or make him tentative worrying about retearing it.
 
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I think the biggest concern would be that Toby decides he doesn't want to risk a baseball future on another football injury. I think he can do more to break down the caste system as a football player, but I wouldn't blame him if he hung em up to focus on the diamond.
 

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I think the biggest concern would be that Toby decides he doesn't want to risk a baseball future on another football injury. I think he can do more to break down the caste system as a football player, but I wouldn't blame him if he hung em up to focus on the diamond.

Oh you mean pull a Samardjiza. Oh yeah that decision is working out real well for Jeff.
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Toby has been gashing the Oregon State defense tonight. He's picking up right where he left off last season before his injury: averaging around 10 yards a carry and had 2 TDs just in the first half!
 

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Toby, first posted about here at CF by me, is having a great night. He has 139 yards on just 13 carries in the first 3 quarters!
 

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Player of the game tonight against Oregon State!19 carries for 152 yards and 2 TDs. Ihope Toby has a great, injury free year.
 

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I think Toby is going to be the started next week. The reason he was a started already was because he was injured and because he was playing baseball. Most experts agree that Toby has more upside then Kimble.
 

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Toby Gerhart giving a go-to-hell to an OSU defender.

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How about Toby Gerhart of Stanford? When I saw him rumble for 46 yards down the sideline...
Stanford and hard-chugging running back Toby Gerhart rumbled through Oregon State...
Gerhart (19 carries, 147 yards, two touchdowns) was that good against the Beavers. He just blotted out all other ideas and all other Stanford offensive problems... Still, for one night, it was all about Gerhart tearing through the Beavers' defense for 36 yards to set up Stanford's first score, Gerhart bowling over a couple of Beavers defenders two series later to score on his own from 46 yards, and Gerhart, Gerhart and more Gerhart.

Gerhart showed the same form he had in his one game last year when he ran for 140 yards against San Jose State. With the power to run through tackles and the speed to get to the outside, Gerhart rushed for two touchdowns in the first half and converted two third-and-longs to sustain drives in the second half.

"It feels like I didn't play football in two years," he said. "It feels good to be out there. I picked up where I left off. Now just keep it going."
apparently, not everyone got the memo.
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Gerhart en route to a 46-yard touchdown.
 

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Great pics Jimmy. Thanks. I am so pumped up about Gerhart after yesterday. I really think that they need to limit his touches a little bit like they did until they know his knee is up for the long haul. I think 10-15 carries a game is good for now and then in around a month they can up his touches. I want to see him stay healthy and make a serious run as the pac tens leading rusher. He will have an uphill battle however with splitting rb duties and Stanford playing 7 road gamesand only 5 home games. Good luck to Toby. Edited by: white lightning
 

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Good analysis WL. Yeah, 12-15 carries a game sounds about right. They should up him to the 20 per game range in about a month, I agree. A complete PCL tear weakens the knee structure a bit, but not nearly as much as an ACL or MCL tear. But with a PCL tear it is very hard to do reconstructive surgery and even more so to properly rehab it. Scar tissue has likely built up around the cartilage and now he will just have to learn to trust the knee without an intact PCL.

As long as he doesn't tear either of his other two ligaments he can have a very strong and long career. But with another torn ligament, with a permanently torn PCL already, his career could be in jeopardy. But Toby always has baseball to fall back on.

However, Toby is similar to Jesse Lumsden, Steven Jackson or a faster version of Brandon Jacobs as a player and I hope he gets a shot in the NFL!
 

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here's a good article about Toby, giving him props and also talking about stereotyping white players.

Looks deceiving with Stanford's Gerhart

September 3, 2008 6:00 PM


Posted by ESPN.com's Ted Miller

Kyle Terada/US Presswire
Toby Gerhart's speed has caught many opponents by surprise.
A person meets Toby Gerhart for the first time. Gerhart tells said person he plays football for Stanford.

Person: "What position do you play."
Gerhart: "Running back."
Person: "Oh, so fullback?"
Gerhart: "No, running back." </font>

"It's a straight stereotype from the get-go," Gerhart said.

The stereotype isn't only that white men can't jump. It's also that they can't play running back.

And Gerhart is white.

"People look at you differently for sure," he said. "I feel like I'm pretty fast, but immediately they classify me as a big, power back. They discredit my speed. A lot of programs when I was being recruited said they'd give me a shot at tailback but they saw me more as a linebacker or fullback."</font>

As a running back at Norco (Calif.) High School, Herhart rushed for 9,622 yards, the best all-time mark in California prep history and third best in the nation. He rolled up 3,233 yards and 39 TDs as a senior and earned Parade All-American honors.

So when teams suggested linebacker, it's hard not to suspect where that inclination might have come from.</font>

Understand: Gerhart is merely replying to a question. He's not striking up a chorus of "We Shall Overcome." He's certainly aware that his life hasn't been scarred by prejudice.

And, typically, it doesn't take long for him to prove himself. His case is best made when opposing players start chasing him, as Oregon State's defensive backs found as Gerhart sprinted for a 46-yard TD in the Cardinal's 36-28 victory last week.

"I think I've put a couple of things on film that show I have the ability to get the corner and take it down the sidelines," he said.

Such film already has made an impression on one person: Arizona State coach Dennis Erickson, whose Sun Devils play host to Stanford on Saturday night.

"You could see that [speed] against Oregon State when he breaks into the open and nobody catches him," he said.

Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh is obviously taken with his running back, who piled up a career-high 147 yards on 19 carries -- a stout 7.7 yards per tote average -- against a team known for its outstanding run defense (Stanford finished with 210 yards rushing overall).

"He reminds me of John Riggins," Harbaugh said. "He's very tough to bring down. He's muscular -- about 230. Got a good center of gravity. It's hard to get your arms around his lower body. He probably has surprising speed to most people. He's got very light feet. He's got really good instincts."

Gerhart might have broken out a year ago. In the season's second game against San Jose State, he had piled up 140 yards on 12 carries before he blew out his knee in the third quarter. His season was over.

"It was frustrating because I felt I could have made a difference in the season," he said. "There were a couple of games where I feel like if I played maybe the outcome could have been different."

His 140 yards turned out to be a season's best for Stanford, which couldn't run a lick thereafter, finishing ranked ninth in the Pac-10 with 111 yards per game.

There's another level of intrigue for Gerhart heading down to Arizona State. His younger brother, Garth, is the Sun Devils backup center.

Toby Gerhart said he noticed his brother being a bit briefer this week when he quizzed him about all things Sun Devil.

And another difficult but unavoidable question popped up.

So, can his 300-pound "little" bro whip him?

"He's always been a lot bigger than I've been," Toby Gerhart said. "Yeah, he could probably take me. I wouldn't want to admit that ... I don't know. It would be a good little scrap but he'd probably have the upper hand. If worst came to worst, I'd probably just run away."

Of course, unlike many who might stereotype Gerhart, his little brother knows all about his speed.
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BTW, by my analysis Gerhart has equal speed to Brian Leonard, which equals average speed for an NFL "starter". Gerhart ran a 4.48 (Leonard ran a 4.47) I believe at the Nike H.S combine, but will probably run a 4.51 or so at the NFL combine like Leonard. Rivals of course ranked him as a FB, despite breaking the California Prep grouping rushing record. Rivals truly is run by "Yahooligans".
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ToughJ.Riggins said:
Good find, but GI already beat you too it in the white RB forum. Don't worry though it happens to me all the time.
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i know he did, but i wanted to keep it all in one place, for future reference and easy access.
 

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another impressive preformance against San Jose state. 22 carries for 148 yards and 1 td
 

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He needed to bounce back in a big way. Without Toby, Stanford would have probably lost that game. They were down 10-0 early on. He is very impressive and he does remind me of Leonard. Toby will need to continue to rush for the century mark every week for Stanford to have a chance to win games. They are just not a good team. It sucks that both Gerhart and McGuffie are on bad football teams.
 

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good news: looks like Toby will be cleared to play versus shaky Notre Dame's run defense.
 

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I hope Toby runs all over and through ND!
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Toby runs for 4 TDs today against Washington St.
22 carries for 132 yards.
 

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As the person who first told everyone here at CF about Toby, I'm very pleased to see himdoing well. Just imagine if he'd went to Ole, uh New Miss instead.
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Ugh, it ain't even worth thinking about. Keep it up Toby!
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DD.com getting frustrated, telling the truth as always :

Fast-rising Stanford tailback Toby Gerhart is compared to Tommy Vardell, who was the 9th over all pick in the 1992 NFL Draft.

DD.comment: For those too young to remember, Tommy Vardell looked like a soon-to-be Pro Bowl fullback (think a Mike Alstott type) with Cleveland until he tore up his knees in a early season game in 1994 against the New York Jets. He really didn't round back into form until 1996 and even then he was a bit limited.

Based on the information we've gotten, we believe Gerhart has the skills (size, speed, balance, vision) to be a feature back in the NFL, but we don't know if he'll even get there. We see two things happening: One, if a suddenly healthy Gerhart shows any glimpse of improvement playing for Stanford's baseball team next spring, a West Coast-based Major League team (most likely the A's or Giants) will throw big money at him to play baseball full time and promise to fast-track him to the majors. Secondly, he'll look around the NFL and fear he'll forever be stereotyped as only a blocking fullback, and be keenly aware that many times perception becomes reality for some players. For example, this blogger was listening to the Cleveland/Denver game on Westwood One Radio last night and could not believe my ears when I heard ex-NFL coach Dennis Green say Denver head coach Mike Shannahan shouldn't throw the ball to Peyton Hillis out of the backfield, because he's limited athlete, only good for blocking and has poor receiving skills. A few moments after he said this, his play by play partner noted the agile Hillis, who actually average over 10 yards per punt return in the SEC, had 7 receptions for 116 yards last weekend @ Miami. For a fullback, a 100 yard receiving game is very rare. Our guess is Gerhart will note things like this and just take a large baseball deal, if it becomes available, rather than accepting a limited role in the NFL.
 

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I was astonished at how clearly Draftdaddy sees things, which brings me to believe other meida outlets just choose to ignore the facts stacked against whites.
 
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