TOBY GERHART FOR HEISMAN VOTE EVERY DAY!

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  1. dwid

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    He can definitely run in the 4.5 range. Maybe even in the 4.4 range electronically. I think it would be really silly of him to go the mlb route before even seeing what the NFL has to offer. He is still young, if he goes to the NFL and a team tries to screw him over , he can still find a way to make it in baseball the following year. Someone said this about players like Hester and Tebow not insisting on their true position, the same goes for Toby and not playing football. He wouldn't be screwing himself over if he did go the baseball route, but hed be screwing over every potential White halfback in the future. Well he would be screwing himself over if football is his true passion. I am optimistic about Toby's chances. He has gotten alot of exposure and plenty of people think he is capable of playing halfback at the next level. Mel Kiper thinks he is capable of playing halfback in the NFL as a 2nd round pick.

    NFL ticket sales and views are declining. If they want to revive it they will have to start giving guys like Toby a real chance. The only other way to boost sales is to make beer extremely cheap, because since the economy is getting worse, dwfs have less money to spend on beer, some dwfs are less drunk and starting to realize the poor product that the nfl is putting on the field. Jacksonville is having a hard time selling tickets. I guarantee if they drafted Tebow and played him at Quarterback, people will come. The same would happen for a west coast team, if they drafted Toby, people would watch. I have no doubt Toby would do well wherever he winds up.Edited by: dwid
     
  2. yuri malenkov

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    The DOMESTIC sport of american football is really a total joke. When i was working in the us the company in indiana has season tickets for the IU home games, having never seen or heard about american football before i enjoyed watching it live. IU had the best player, by far on offence or defense a halfback named Alex Smith. He was far and away the best player in each game, quite a bit better than Alstott from purdue.
    Anyway to make a long story short, some years later i was in germany and happened to read about him playing in europe,with the internet invented i looked him up, wondering why he wasnt in the NFL. thats when i found caste football site. i realized he wasnt in the nfl because he is white and because of that he got screwed over.
    Naturally i wanted to find out why?
    MY conclusion: without the NFL being so black, where would the zionists that run america and the media get the black athlete propaganda from?
    when one looks at INTERNATIONAL sports a trend has emerged in that blacks no longer dominate anything. Small white countries beat the negroid american olympic team over and over. Whites dominate boxing. The end of the us longjumper is here, with 5of 7 future stars being white and the other 2 from other countries. Liu from china destroyed the us 110h, wariner beats negroids in the 400m. the future 100m stars are both white. tiger woods is a monkey.
    Where are the propaganda negroids going to come from? really only american football. The world athlete has passed the us negroids>
    White american trey hardee is the worlds greatest athlete, white american jay cutler has the best body, russian ivan ukhov is the highest jumper(WHEN NOT DRUNK),worlds strongest man is white, jamacian bolt is fastest and fastest teenagers are both white europeans.
    Only 250 world class black athletes from america.
    The zionists have to push negroid athletes on the idiot public as part of there anti-white agenda, they must manufacture them from the joke world of us football. So Gerhart didnt win the heisman, really he had no chance, the zionists are in need of negriod stars.
     
  3. Don Wassall

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    There's a lot of truth in your post, Yuri. Just look at basketball and boxing, where non-American Whitesnow hold their own and often much more against the "supermen" American blacks. One of the reasons the U.S. is widely regarded as a country in rapid decline is because the potential of 200 million-plus White Americans has been thwarted as part of an international demographic and psy-war being waged against White people.

    Black athletes are becoming more and more of an obvious embarrassment after decades of not having to face the best competition in the U.S., as well as being coddled and pampered innumerous ways. The double standards and hypocrisy being used against Whites also has contributed to the full-scale, ongoing decline of American blacks. I believe the pool ofserviceable black athletes is declining, perhaps rapidly, which will be a major factor in the Caste System sooner or later losing a sufficient amount ofcredibility to cause it to be swept into the dustbin of history.

    BTW, I remember Alex Smith very well. We posted about him in the very early days of Caste Football. Smith, Mike Alstott and Scott Greene all played in the Big 10 at the same time and were all very good running backs. All three deserved the opportunity to be featured runners in the NFL but only Alstott received playing time as a part-time ball carrier. Edited by: Don Wassall
     
  4. Westside

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    Hey gents in my last post I meant to state that Toby needs to run a 4.45 / 4.47 or 4.48. If he ran a flat 4.8, ever critic would came out of the woodwork. In high school I ran a 4.7, not too shabby, but won't cut it in the NFL combines for rookies especially the best back who is white.

    I have been talking to my white and black friends who follow college ball and all say that Toby got hosed, you can't give every award to a white guy theme is what carried the conversation. Although they knew full well that this year Toby was the man.
     
  5. bigunreal

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    There was certainly nothing shocking about Gerhart being screwed out of the Heisman; I held out faint, Frank Capra-like hopes he would miraculously win, but Ingram's victory was really predetermined.

    What will be crucial now is Gerhart's mindset about playing RB. He has to plant his feet and state emphatically that he is a RB, period. Perhaps he will be the first white athlete to take inspiration from ex- Notre Dame basketball player Kyle McAlarney's comments about only his skin color keeping him from the NBA.

    However, when I see Gerhart's awe-shucks smile and obvious pleasant demeanor, he reminds me a bit too much of Tim Tebow and Colt McCoy. All three appear to be soft spoken and well behaved. Fine qualities for a human being, but disastrous for those who want to succeed in today's ghetto-fest world of profesional sports.

    Much as Tebow has already made clear his submissive, reverse Stephin Fetchit willingness to play anywhere "for the team," I can't picture the affable Gerhart confronting the Caste System.
     
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    Toby is a powerback. If Jerome Bettis was allowed to be a starter for so many years Toby should too. Toby is faster than Bettis and also in much better shape. Bettis only averaged 3.9 ypc throughout his career. The fact that a fat black guy can be a running back in today's NFL but a faster white player can't explains everything.
     
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    Bigunreal great post, but I am hoping Toby says "F... that, give me the ball as a running back, if not, baseball here I come!"
     
  8. white is right

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    McCoy won the Walter Camp which is basically the other Heisman trophy. So why did he end up a distant third for this award? I truly think too many voters thought that Ingram deserved an award. The NCAA awards almost seem like your grammar schools field day awards. Everybody gets a participation ribbon to make everybody feel good.. [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    Good point, white is right. Can't send the black boy home empty handed, or else we risk looking bad.
     
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    That's the main reason I thought Shipley wouldn't win the Biletnikoff award. It would somehow seem racist to some if they voted for a white RB and white WR for the top awards. I guarantee some people didn't vote Shipley because they voted for Gerhart.
     
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    Actually Charles Woodson won it that year and has not been forgotten in the NFL.

    I didn't figure Gerhart to win the Heisman, it's become an MVP award given to the best player on one of the best teams. Ingram fits that spot as would have McCoy. It's all for the best anyway. Why set the bar too high with both Doak Walker and Heisman labels attached to him? The awards are forgotten and it becomes all about what you do every Sunday anyway.
     
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    Yeah, I agree with you Fightingtowin. What I'm curious about is the size of award committees for the non-Heisman awards, compared to the H-committee. I also wonder how much overlap there is between them.
     
  13. WHITE NOISE

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    The NFL and Zionist media have turned the Heisman award into a NO NEGRO LEFT BEHIND farce. The award had to go to Toby or McCoy period. The NFL must follow a caste script and whitely is not allowed to play the lead role, irrespective of his superior talents.

    BTW, nice post Yuri you nailed it. Edited by: WHITE NOISE
     
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    Woodson may have had a good career but a lot of people don't even remember him as being that Heisman winner. Compared to Manning, he's not very well known. Unless you watch/keep up with the NFL all the time, you rarely hear anything about him.
     
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    bigunreal you couldnt be more wrong about Toby. Just because he has a nice smile doesnt mean anything, cant judge a book by its cover (well at least in Toby's case). If you have read any of his interviews you will see he is nothing of the submissive type. He gets really pissed off about people questioning his top end speed and has openly talked about the discrimination about him being a White halfback, and has always insisted to people that he is a halfback and not a fullback. He had the chance to go to many higher profile schools such as USC or Ole Miss, but they wanted him at fullback. So he said FU and went to a Stanford team that was 1-11. If anyone is to confront the Caste system, it would be Toby. If the NFL tries to screw him over hes going to do the same thing he did to USC and tell them to f off, he has other things to fall back on. He wont accept it and his dad wont let him accept it.Edited by: dwid
     
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    congrats on Ingram being the WORST runningback to ever win! What a joke this Heisman was.
    "
    Year Player Team Gms Yards Att TD YPC YPG ATD Rating
    1988 Barry Sanders Oklahoma St 11 2628 344 37 7.64 238.9 9.30 120.52
    1983 Mike Rozier Nebraska 12 2148 275 29 7.81 179.0 9.48 106.17
    1981 Marcus Allen Southern Cal 11 2342 403 22 5.81 212.9 18.32 103.70
    1994 Rashaan Salaam Colorado 11 2055 298 24 6.90 186.8 12.42 103.48
    1998 Ricky Williams Texas 11 2124 361 27 5.88 193.1 13.37 100.68
    1978 Billy Sims Oklahoma 11 1762 231 20 7.63 160.2 11.55 100.04
    1979 Charles White Southern Cal 10 1803 293 18 6.15 180.3 16.28 97.60
    2005 Reggie Bush Southern Cal 13 1740 200 16 8.70 133.8 12.50 97.43
    1976 Tony Dorsett Pittsburgh 11 1948 338 21 5.76 177.1 16.10 95.29
    1985 Bo Jackson Auburn 11 1786 278 17 6.42 162.4 16.35 94.17
    1977 Earl Campbell Texas 11 1744 267 18 6.53 158.5 14.83 94.15
    1999 Ron Dayne Wisconsin 11 1834 303 19 6.05 166.7 15.95 93.91
    1995 Eddie George Ohio State 12 1826 303 23 6.03 152.2 13.17 91.09
    1974 Archie Griffin Ohio State 11 1620 236 12 6.86 147.3 19.67 91.05
    1980 George Rogers South Carolina 11 1781 297 14 6.00 161.9 21.21 90.73
    1982 Herschel Walker Georgia 11 1752 335 16 5.23 159.3 20.94 87.09
    2009 Mark Ingram Alabama 13 1542 249 15 6.19 118.6 16.60 82.22"

    Rating is based on yards per game, yards per carry and TD ratio. I haven't done the math to figure out where Toby would rank, but I know it would be above quite a few with his yards per game , yards and TD ratio. His td ratio would probably raise him higher for more than a few . He has similar ypc ( well he has higher ypc) and yards to Walker, except he has 10 more tds. Did anyone ever doubt Walker's ability?Edited by: dwid
     
  17. Fightingtowin

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    dwid, where did you get those numbers?
     
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    gerhart's snubbing would make a good jb cash essay.
     
  19. sport historian

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    I agree. Assuming Gerhart gets a chance to be a feature RB, it will be easier to break in as the Heisman runner-up than as the Heisman winner.
     
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    Some guy on an SEC forum said he got them from someone who works for scout.com. Not sure if I believe that but the numbers seem to be accurate for the other backs minus the ratings. Just not sure what the math is to give the ratings. Still by looking at the other backs stats he has the least impressive.

    I did find this on Heismanpundit.com

    "If Mark Ingram captures the Heisman, he'll do it by rushing for the fewest total yards (1,542) by a winning back since Archie Griffin had 1,357 in 1975.

    His per-game rushing average of 119 yards per game would be the fewest by a Heisman-winning back in the modern era of two-platoon football (Griffin hit his total in 11 games, Ingram in 13)." The stats are listed for Griffin in 74 above in my previous post, but not for 75. Hes the only guy to win it twice

    So it pretty much points to that he is probably the worst back to ever win it.Edited by: dwid
     
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    What a major-league pile of steaming horse dung! [​IMG] Ingram can't carry Toby's jockstrap. Gerhart had better key #s against better defenses & is bigger & stronger than "afflete" Mok N'gwum.It was the caste lackeys who put Ingram over (as usual). Toby earned/deserved that award...hands down!
     
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    This is just another attempt to make whites look inferior in sports. The DWF's will buy into that Ingram was the better runningback and he deserved to win the Heisman. These morbidly obese idiots will buy into anything you tell them. And I thought this was such a racist country. Why would so many whites vote for such an undeserving afflete likee Ingram?
     
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    But.. Colt McCoy (dual-threat) is ALSO White! He took votes away from Gerhart and I would say that Suh took votes away from Ingram.

    Deducing from this.. If Colt McCoy wasn't a finalist, Gerhart would HAVE won!
     
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    Actually, I was surprised at how many fans on the Saints/LSU board I go to think that Gerhart should have won it over Ingram. (these guys aren't known for being White friendly, a great deal seem to bash White Saints players like Shanle) Well most say either Gerhart or Suh and since defensive players dont win that Gerhart should have gotten it. Most seem to recognize that Gerhart was the better back than Ingram. They could be waking up, or it could have to do with the LSU bias and hate against Nick Saban/Bama. I hope its the former and not the latter.Edited by: dwid
     
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    Very true Deadlift!! The voting was very close and Ingram only won by 28 votes. The fact remains though that Toby had a considerably better season than Ingram yet he lost.
     

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