Tim Tebow

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  1. whiteathlete33

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    Hehe. They did have Michael Convick who could run but couldn't complete a decent pass if his life depended on it. We all know how his story went despite worship from millions of DWF's and the media. Convick isn't even good enough to play quarterback in the CFL.
     
  2. Bear Backer

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    I also remember another QB who they said the same thing about. That of course is Philip Rivers. I can't remember how many reports I read about him that said he was raw and that he needed major overhaul on his mechanics. There were practically legions of the talking heads just waiting for him to bust so they could say told ya so. Of course, he has turned out to be one of the best quarterbacks in the league, who is on the verge of attaining elite status.
     
  3. Animalmuther0

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    You know, Tebow is so athletic, under the right tutelage he could be a star in the NFL as a QB. Very quickly. As long as they don't make him into a pocket passer (though he needs to when needed). They need to enhance his already fearsome mobility and power. Like mentioned before though, they don't want someone like TT to be "that guy".

    Another thing...Pat White couldn't hold Tebows jock.
     
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    Pat White couldn't even reach Tebow's jock. I thought it was funny how he shrunk a couple inches when coming into the NFL. They list him as 6'0" now but I even doubt that. He is a midget as far QB's go. Probably more likely around 5'10" in socks. He is tiny and frail of build. Next time he has a football in his hands take a look at him. He looks like a pee wee QB with a normal size ball that is too big for him.
     
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    Yep, ignoring his incredible accuracy and intelligence. Drew Brees was another one written off because he wasn't tall enough. Eli Manning was written off as too stupid -- remember all the inbred jokes?

    The intelligence factor is so glaringly obvious at the QB position, yet it can't be touched by the media because that would be to acknowledge one of the biggest lies the system (not just the Caste System) is built on -- that all races are of exactly equal intelligence.
     
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    Yep, there is only one lack of attribute that you can't overcome as a NFL QB, intelligence. Obviously you can't be a complete noodle arm, but Joe Montana never had a strong arm, for that matter neither does Tom Brady. Both had adequate arms, but the ability to read and dissect defenses is what made them both so special. Like you pointed out Drew Brees is also short. Probably around 5'11". Another gut with a decent but not spectacular arm, but is smart. Ryan Leaf had all the tools in the world over Brady, Montana and Brees, but he was a dumbass who imploded like a Quotaback.
     
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    Doug Flutie is one of the most athletic guys to ever play QB and the NFL kept him out of the league until he was 40 and even then he was still dominant on the field despite being "too short" to play, imagine if they would've given him a serious opportunity when he was in his 20's...

    Black QB's won't ever dominate in the NFL, no matter how hard the Caste system hopes and tries (there will be the occasional exception to the rule) because of their lack of intelligence and for the same reason you rarely see a dominant black pitcher in MLB where you need similar arm strength, accuracy and composure as an NFL QB to succeed. The majority of affletes are lacking in both or they would've dominated by now with the Caste so firmly behind them.
     
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    I can't tell you how much the intelligence factor has rankled sportswriters the last 45 years concerning the Black Quarterback Issue. They have insisted the whole time that blacks were more than intelligent enough to play QB in pro football. I would like to have $5 dollars for every column that said that racial prejucice was the sole reason for the lack of black QB's. Since black QB's have been force-fed into the NFL the last decade, how can they explain white men still dominating the position?
     
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    QB is the only position blacks are not seen as innately superior(besides kickers/punters), thus their NFL percentage is closely matched to their U.S. percentage (13.5% nationally, 15% NFL starters). Furthermore, with 2-3 blacks often finishing in the top 10 passing recently (over their U.S. percentage), I don't think it's logical to confidently declare that whites are naturally better suited for the position.

    It's easy to do right now, because the black quarterbacks are not that great currently, but it could easily swing to blacks being far overrepresented (or underrepresented), especially since we're dealing with such a small sample size (32 teams).

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  10. white lightning

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    Tim Tebow has done everything he can do in his college career. The guy is a legend. I have never seen such a gamer at qb! He is as tough as a linebacker, smart as a qb and as fast as a running back. The guy has it all and just threw one of the best games I have ever seen at any level. He almost didn't miss any passes. Every ball was on the money and he picked apart a Cincy Defense that was pretty damn good. I love seeing his critics have to eat their own words.

    Tim Tebow will be a star in the NFL despite most of these so called experts doing everything to try and stop him. The man belives in God and Jesus. He has no fear of these stupid coach's, critrics, scouts or fans who doubt his ability. Tim Tebow is a breath of fresh air in the stupid caste world of football.

    Tim Tebow is coming. Deal with it!
     
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    When Tebow lights it up in the preseason the powers that be will be forced by the fans to let him play QB, especially if it's a team without a franchise QB. I've been following Tebow since he played in HS. Tebow was supposed to fail as a QB in college according to these same "experts" who were saying the same BS when he signed to play at Florida. Sure Tebow has the talent to play TE, FB, LB, DE but is best suited to play QB. If Tim has to be a backup for a year or two he would do awesome in the wildcat formation or if his NFL coach is smart enough to designed plays for him like Meyer did for him when he was a freshman at Florida.

    How many backup QB's have that kind of ability while learning on the job? Tebow is going to be a nightmare to try to defend against.
     
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    Tebow's Christianity continues to irk the Godless PTB...


    Plans for Tebow pro-life Super Bowl ad may irk QB's critics

    Matt Philbin - Guest Columnist - 1/5/2010

    With his unconventional pass delivery and a physical style that seems just as comfortable running the ball anyway, some wonder if University of Florida star quarterback Tim Tebow will achieve NFL glory. But football fans just may get to see the story of the Heisman Trophy winner and unapologetic Christian impact the pro sport's biggest game of the year.

    Colorado-based conservative group Focus on the Family reportedly may buy a Super Bowl spot for an ad about how Tebow's mother carried him to term despite a difficult and dangerous pregnancy.

    If true, it would be just another example of Tebow annoying the secular left. The quarterback is as famous for wearing Bible passage citations on his game-day eye black as for winning an NCAA championship. As NewsBusters has detailed, that practice â€" and the faith it symbolizes â€" is irksome to some commentators.

    Tim TebowAlmost a year ago, CBSSports.com columnist Gregg Doyel wrote, "Tebow's religion is seen as good because it is the religion of the majority. But it's not the religion of everybody. It's exclusionary, and just because you share Tebow's faith, that doesn't mean you're right."

    This past October, Sam Cook of the Fort Myers [Fla.] News-Press, picked up from USA Today's Tom Krattenmaker and slammed the "far-right theology" of Tebow's evangelical Christian father.

    As recently as mid-December, Mark Axelrod, a blogger at the liberal Huffington Post, sneered, "So, am I to believe that Florida beat Oklahoma because Tim Tebow had John 3:16 painted beneath his eyes?" Axelrod certainly knows that nobody is suggesting God takes sides in football games, and at the end of his piece he got to his real objections:

    "What I find rather disturbing is that he has to bring that religious faith onto the playing field as a way of testifying to it, as a way of letting people know just how deeply religious he is. The irony of making faith a kind of religious highlight reel is that belief in God isn't a spectator sport nor is a football field a venue for religious politicking."

    The elite liberals at the Huffington Post and elsewhere in the media are embarrassed that Tebow insists on publicly testifying to his faith and using his high profile to exercise his Christian duty to evangelize.

    Focus on the Family has refused to confirm whether it has purchased the space or produced the ad. Given the estimated $4 million price tag of a 30-second spot and NBC's rejection of a pro-life ad for its Super Bowl Broadcast last year, an ad featuring the football player's mother is no sure thing.

    Given his character, courage, and the consternation he whips up on the left, we hope the odds for Tebow's professional career are better.

    ***Reference article

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    Wow, nice find, it's good to hear that Tebow might go in the 1st round. The way some media members and so-called experts were talking, I was begining to think Tim might not even get drafted.
     
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    I'm no expert on BR, but it seems to depend on the writer, as they have quite a few. We had an extended row with one of their writers some months back after he attacked CF, whereas Kevin Roberts and some others seem more objective in the way they look at White athletes.
     
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    I'd hyperlink this article from yahoo comparing Tebow to black QB's, but for some reason, I can't get it to work.

    Here is the link: http://sports.yahoo.com/top/blog/ro...t=AtcS5M6qDcLIKOnYhG9QxcFDubYF?urn=top,212113

    Here is a teaser:

    "It wasn't until the Senior Bowl that [quarterback] transformed from glorified option to one of the primary options in the draft."

    "Sometimes gets too confident in his running skills, forgetting to eye his secondary receivers in order to run with the ball when his primary target is not available."

    "Although he is improving, [quarterback] has a long way to go as a passer at the next level. His mechanics are inconsistent "¦ "

    Those assessments were pretty standard thinking among pre-NFL draft prognosticators in their descriptions of Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick and Vince Young, each of whom happen to be African-Americans and who went on to be pretty good NFL QBs.

    Now we have another young "black" QB, prime for the upcoming draft, who's being brushed with the same labels: Runs before throws. Forgets secondary receivers. Bad mechanics.

    His name is Tim Tebow.


    Whatcha think of this???
     
  17. Jimmy Chitwood

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    not a bad piece, except that Tebow is a whole lot better than any of the black quarterbacks he was compared to ... and why, from out of nowhere,was Alex Smith thrown under the bus? i guess every Yahoo sportscolumnis requiredto hate on a White afflete at some point.

    comparing Smith (whose young career has been devastated by injuries) to Russell the No-Muscle (whose young career has been devastated by being a lazy, stupid, black man) is laughable.

    but otherwise it's pretty solid.
     
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    When all is said and done Jamarcus Russell has to be considered the biggest NFL bust of all time. Ryan Leaf probably had that honor before but unlike fatboy Russell he had all the tools to be a great NFL quarterback he was just lazy and stupid. Russell never had anything but was hyped by the media because of skin color.
     
  19. Don Wassall

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    Akili Smith has to be in the conversation if the topic is biggest QB busts. As far as biggest busts at any position, there's a huge number of black contenders, but the vast majority have been long forgotten, unlike Mandarich, Bosworth and Mamula (and Mamula wasn't even a bust), who are endlessly reviled.
     
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    One guy who I think is a one of the biggest NFL busts of all time is Aaron Gibson. He was supposed to be one of the best offensive linemen in the game yet he couldn't even keep his weight under 400lbs. Also Leaf is the rare white athlete whose work ethic is as bad as some of the bruvas.
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    Another article downing Tebow because of "poor mechanics." Did any of the black quarterbacks drafted in the first round over the past decade have "polished mechanics"? Nope. Thistypical Castearticle goes on to compare Tebow to Danny Wuerffel of all people (courtesy of an "unnamed GM"), a QB Tebow has nothing in common with stylistically.

    Tebow's mechanics will keep him from becoming high draft pick

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12746895/tebows-mechanics-will-keep-him-from-becoming-high-draft-pick
     
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    The quarterback who was just too good.
    by Jimmy Chitwood


    "The NFL needs a dynamic athlete who can run and throw. He will revolutionize the quarterback position."Â

    Football fans have been inundated with that media message for decades ... but the NFL doesn't want that guy to be Tim Tebow.<?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><O:p></O:p>
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    Since the outcry for an "athlete"Â at quarterback began, fans have beenrelentlessly "informed"by media messages that insist there is "systemic racism"Â by college and NFL football teams opposing opportunities for black quarterbacks. This, we're told, is why there aren't hordes of black quarterbacks who can fill the bill.<O:p></O:p>
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    In reality the exact opposite is true. <O:p></O:p>
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    The fact of the matter is the caste system has done its best to force-feed the masses a steady diet of atrocious excuses for quarterbacks, what we at Caste Football refer to as a "quotaback."Â With the endorsement of biased "scouting"Â services that artificially enhance the comparative abilities of black high school athletes, a steady stream of "electric"Â quotabacks has stacked the rosters of college programs across the country. And for better than two decades sports outlets such as ESPN have filled the public's mind with assertions that, "So and so [insert any black guy's name here] is a game-changer,"Â to give "validity"Â to the notion that fans are actually seeing the best players available. This scripted sermon is given religiously every Saturday despite the obvious fact that most of these "electrifying playmakuhs"Â aren't even marginally effective at throwing the football.<O:p></O:p>
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    The truth is, the Powers That Be have been dreaming of aplayerlike Tim Tebow who would revolutionize the quarterback position for decades now ... only Tebow is the wrong color to be "that" quarterback. Or should I say quotaback? <O:p></O:p>
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    How many times have we been regaled with mythological tales (these are more correctly known as lies) about some affirmative action project taking the snaps who can throw the ball 80 yards in the air from his knees AND run like a tailback AND has the type of leadership skills that willlift his teammates to new heights? <O:p></O:p>
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    The answer, of course, is that we've heard these liesevery single time a team trots out a new quotaback ... and we continue to hear them until it becomes so obvious that saidindividual is such a piss poor shadow of what a real quarterback should be that even the Drunken White Fans realize he's an inadequatefacade. Then they trot out the next "game changer," and begin the lies anew.<O:p></O:p>
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    The evidence of these failed "phenoms" is abundant in the NFL. The horrifying Kordell Stewart experiment. Colossal busts Akili Smith, Tavaris Jackson, JaMarcus Russell, Quincy Carter, Charlie Batch. The felonious novelty act Mike Vick. This year, Miami's head coach promised Pat White a shot to be the starter for the Dolphins "¦ and didn't laugh! For the record, White appeared in 13 games for the Dolphins and didn't complete a pass.<O:p></O:p>
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    [As an aside, since the latter stages of Randall Cunningham's career, when he too became a pocket passer, the successful black quarterbacks have been traditional drop-back passers "¦ even those who began their careers as good runners "¦ from the adequate game-managers (Aaron Brooks and Jason Campbell) to the terribly inconsistent but sometimes brilliant (Donovan McNabb and Daunte Fumblepepper).]<O:p></O:p>
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    Therein lies the problem with the White Knight. <O:p></O:p>
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    You see, Tebowactuallydoes have the athleticism, passing prowess, and leadership ability that the talking heads have been craving all this time. Only he isn't black. <O:p></O:p>
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    "Sadly," Tebow is very, very White. And not only in skin tone, butin character, as well. He's a great player who is also a great guy ... and he's too much like the heroes from classic, golden-age movies (when bigger-than-life characters were portrayed by White men) to be allowed.<O:p></O:p>
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    As such, they have done everything within their power to destroy Tim Tebow's NFL future, as they have tried to do with that mythic figure in White America's consciousness. <O:p></O:p>
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    Just take a look at the "news"Â reports coming out regarding his prospects as a potential NFL quarterback. It's as if all the "experts"Â who are quoted arereading from ascript:<O:p></O:p>
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    If they allow Tebow an opportunity, then it is possible that the old powers of our people would begin to re-surface in the common man's mind. That's why all the "problems" with Tebow are repeated incessantly, when in reality the "problems"are actually just the opposite. In fact, if he were black, these "problems" we keep hearing about would actually be referred to by another term (one that is always associated with the negro afflete).<O:p></O:p>
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    You see, all Tebow's negative issues are technique related. He has sloppy footwork. He has an elongated throwing motion. His accuracy is sometimes erratic. He rarely has taken snaps from under center. <O:p></O:p>
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    Six years ago (in the 2004 Draft) there was another quarterback who was tremendously successful at the college level, who was also a physically imposing athlete that threw with incredible accuracy, but who was torn apart by scouts for his "huge"Â issues of an unusual throwing motion and questionable arm strength. Not coincidentally, this quarterback was also White. His name was Philip Rivers.<O:p></O:p>
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    For anyone who is wondering, he's turned out to be okay.<O:p></O:p>
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    After honing his craft behind Drew Brees for a couple of years, Rivers was named the starter in 2006. By 2008, Rivers had the highest quarterback rating in the NFL with a league leading 34 Touchdown passes.<O:p></O:p>
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    Like Rivers, ALL of Tebow's issues are readily correctable and improvable ifhe has a strong work ethic and good coaching from the people who are paid to improve quarterbacks' technique. They are called quarterback coaches. Tebow certainly has the work ethic, as we all know. And since his "issues" are correctable, he has tremendous potential to improve because of his upside. He has been incredibly dominant (88 career touchdown passes and 57 career touchdown runs in his record-setting collegiate career) while still having huge areas of improvement that can be tapped into ...which is what we're told time and again that "talent scouts" are looking for in a player.<O:p></O:p>
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    And that's just the thing. Tebow has everything else the position needs, at leastwith regard tothe mental and physical aspects of the game. He has the arm. He has the speed. The strength. The toughness. The leadership skills. The desire to be THE BEST.




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    And while unfunny jokes like Pat White and Mike Vick and Vince Young and so forth are taking snaps on a weekly basis in the NFL, the "experts" want Tebow to be a linebacker or fullback or tight end. Yeah, that sounds like logic to me.
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    That's why "they" don't want him to have a chance. Because he would be what they've always wanted ... except that he'd do it while being White.<O:p></O:p>Edited by: Jimmy Chitwood
     
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    Great stuff Jimmy!
     
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    Awesome article Jimmy, there is some very powerful and very true stuff in there about Tebow. The way he has been portrayed negatively is a complete 180 to how the caste media has drooled over far less talented Quoatabacks. I would however take out the pejoratives Negro and turd-skin though. They come as a little bit too unnecessarily angry and belittling for mass consumption. The facts in there have enough merit not to have to rely on things that are so openly inflammatory and could be construed as racist. Edited by: Bear Backer
     

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