Skipperron
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I knew it would not last long. And I knew he definitely signed with the wrong organization. Tim Couch was cut today. That did not last long.
Tim Couch Cut
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Skipperron said:
You got that right. What a coven of arrogant black supremacists there isrunning the Jacksonville franchise.
Couch has been victimized much like David Carr, the top draft pick on an expansion team that was incapable of providing anything close toacceptable passprotection for the QB. Carr at least will probably get another chance to be a starting quarterback; Couch has been totally screwed.
Waiving Couch even before the first cutdown day while keeping the likes of the immortal Quinn Gray and David Garrard is the ultimate slap in the face and most likely the final chapter in his NFL career. But Couch deserves part of the blame for signing with Jacksonville in the first place. He should have known better than to sign with Africa's Team. Too bad he didn't sign with Atlanta, which was interested in him.Edited by: Don Wassall
lumsdenpower
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I would take Couch as a starter over Leftwich(mister 75.9 40yards dash) or the wanna be michael vick Garrard who dont have his speed of his strong arm but he does ave his accurcy
Lance Alworth
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As I've said before, Shack QB = Black QB
Skipperron
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It has been disgusting watching the dismantling of the Jags. At one time they had a good mix and then they had to hire Shack. I remember they seemed to be close to hiring the guy, can't remember his name, from Buffalo. I was hoping he was the one. When Harris was hired instead I knew then that I would no longer be able to pull for them. And I was right. I hate them now and football has become very hard to follow for me.
Doc Holliday
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C Darwin said:
He was 2/4 for 11yds like U said, but he also threw a beautiful 35yd pass right on the money that the reciever dropped. Should have been 3/4 for 46yds.
From what I've heard Couch looked rusty but still was looking better than the other Jaguar QB's.
Lance Alworth
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The Jags now have FOUR black QB's on their roster. Byron Leftwich, David Garrard, Quinn Gray, and now Lester Ricard.
Skipperron
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Lance Alworth said:
That is unreal but not unexpected. Harris said he would do it and he has.
ToughJ.Riggins
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I disagree that Leftwich sucks (off the top of my head if I recall) looking at his 3rd year stats (when a QB is supposed to mature) he had 15 TD's in only 10 and a half games started before he got injured in the '05-'06 season. He also had only 5 INTs that year and posted an 89 QB rating. His career QB rating is around 80.
Last year his injury problems may have been part of his let down year. Leftwich even was mentioned in SI in their fantasy preview as QB's on the decline so he isn't escaping the media flack. Eli Manning started to get flack last year, in his third year in the league, when he had another second half of the season let down. But this was after losing his left tackle Luke Pettigut and losing his check down WR Amani Toomer and it may not have been fair either. Let me say this; both Eli and Byron have something to prove this year or they may be in trouble.
If you look at Leftwich's progression as a QB it may have been even better than Eli until last year. I know you guys are going to say that Eli is more accurate than Leftwich which has a little truth to it, but Eli makes more mistakes than Leftwich and as a Giants fan I have seen Eli miss plenty of long passes to Shockey and Plax.
I just hope Leftwich steps it up this year b/c Gerrard sucks and seems to have no interest in throwing to our boy Matt Jones. I will agree that the rest of the Jag QB's suck and Couch should have been kept as the backup QB to come in if Leftwich struggles or gets injured again this year. And as a Giants fan there is no one else after Eli (the names Jared Lorenzen and Tim Hasselback don't strike any fear in opposing coaches). I have faith that Eli will become a consistent top 10 QB starting this year and that Leftwich will pick up where he left off in his third year.
Last year his injury problems may have been part of his let down year. Leftwich even was mentioned in SI in their fantasy preview as QB's on the decline so he isn't escaping the media flack. Eli Manning started to get flack last year, in his third year in the league, when he had another second half of the season let down. But this was after losing his left tackle Luke Pettigut and losing his check down WR Amani Toomer and it may not have been fair either. Let me say this; both Eli and Byron have something to prove this year or they may be in trouble.
If you look at Leftwich's progression as a QB it may have been even better than Eli until last year. I know you guys are going to say that Eli is more accurate than Leftwich which has a little truth to it, but Eli makes more mistakes than Leftwich and as a Giants fan I have seen Eli miss plenty of long passes to Shockey and Plax.
I just hope Leftwich steps it up this year b/c Gerrard sucks and seems to have no interest in throwing to our boy Matt Jones. I will agree that the rest of the Jag QB's suck and Couch should have been kept as the backup QB to come in if Leftwich struggles or gets injured again this year. And as a Giants fan there is no one else after Eli (the names Jared Lorenzen and Tim Hasselback don't strike any fear in opposing coaches). I have faith that Eli will become a consistent top 10 QB starting this year and that Leftwich will pick up where he left off in his third year.
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ToughJ, as a Giants fan why do you care if Leftwich steps up? Do you feel he will throw more balls to Jones than Gerrard?
I think Jones' best shot is to be traded to another team. If he is cut, he'll be labeled a bust and get the Boerigter treatment the rest of his career.
I think Jones' best shot is to be traded to another team. If he is cut, he'll be labeled a bust and get the Boerigter treatment the rest of his career.
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Leftwhich's throwing motion is too long and deliberate, just like jason campbell's. Their mechanics fall apart very quickly and they regress to throwing off their back foot etc. The sucessful QBs are the ones with short, quick releases that can read a defense quickly and get rid of the ball fast.
A snitch says Tim Couch was 'roided up.
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(AP) -- Former No. 1 NFL draft pick Tim Couch had doping regimens that called for anabolic steroids and human growth hormone, according to documents obtained by Yahoo.com.
Couch, cut by the Jacksonville Jaguars earlier this month, told Yahoo.com he used HGH for about a week, under a doctor's care, in hopes it would help him recover from shoulder surgery. He denied using steroids or any other banned drugs and said he had never seen the documents.
Yahoo.com reported Tuesday it had obtained documents from an anonymous source with Couch's name printed across the top that called for extensive use of drugs banned by the league. The Web site identified the source as a former associate of Brian Yusem, a nutritionist in Boca Raton, Fla., who Yahoo.com said has worked with Couch since January 2006.
"Just because somebody prints something and says this is the protocol I would suggest doesn't mean somebody has the obligation to do it or did it," Yusem told the Web site, calling the documents "worthless."
The documents detail three regimens -- 72-day, 80-day and 55-day programs -- dated Jan. 26, 2006, Sept. 18, 2006 and Nov. 27, 2006, according to Yahoo.com.
Although Yusem said nothing illegal took place, the source told Yahoo.com that he saw Couch pick up steroids and HGH, as well as get injected with steroids in Yusem's office.
Couch, the No. 1 pick in the 1999 draft, signed with the Jacksonville Jaguars on July 29, and coach Jack Del Rio said then that the former Cleveland Browns quarterback was merely giving the team another quarterback to use during training camp and that he had an outside shot to make the team.
Couch was released three weeks later.
Jaguars spokesman Dan Edwards said Tuesday that Couch's release had nothing to do with the drug allegations.
"It was strictly a personnel decision based on performance," Edwards said.
Couch, who had two shoulder surgeries since February 2005, was 2-of-4 passing for 11 yards in one preseason game and was sacked twice. He also missed practice following that game with a sore back.
Couch told Yahoo.com that he passed a drug test when he signed with the Jaguars. Edwards said the NFL's drug-testing policy is confidential, and results are not shared with teams. Teams are only notified when players are suspended for violating the policy, he said.
Couch said "there's no way in hell" he would have passed a drug test in Jacksonville had he taken what was outlined in the steroid regimens.
"It doesn't matter what that (steroid regimen) says," Couch told Yahoo.com. "It matters what I took. I know what I took and what I didn't take."
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(AP) -- Former No. 1 NFL draft pick Tim Couch had doping regimens that called for anabolic steroids and human growth hormone, according to documents obtained by Yahoo.com.
Couch, cut by the Jacksonville Jaguars earlier this month, told Yahoo.com he used HGH for about a week, under a doctor's care, in hopes it would help him recover from shoulder surgery. He denied using steroids or any other banned drugs and said he had never seen the documents.
Yahoo.com reported Tuesday it had obtained documents from an anonymous source with Couch's name printed across the top that called for extensive use of drugs banned by the league. The Web site identified the source as a former associate of Brian Yusem, a nutritionist in Boca Raton, Fla., who Yahoo.com said has worked with Couch since January 2006.
"Just because somebody prints something and says this is the protocol I would suggest doesn't mean somebody has the obligation to do it or did it," Yusem told the Web site, calling the documents "worthless."
The documents detail three regimens -- 72-day, 80-day and 55-day programs -- dated Jan. 26, 2006, Sept. 18, 2006 and Nov. 27, 2006, according to Yahoo.com.
Although Yusem said nothing illegal took place, the source told Yahoo.com that he saw Couch pick up steroids and HGH, as well as get injected with steroids in Yusem's office.
Couch, the No. 1 pick in the 1999 draft, signed with the Jacksonville Jaguars on July 29, and coach Jack Del Rio said then that the former Cleveland Browns quarterback was merely giving the team another quarterback to use during training camp and that he had an outside shot to make the team.
Couch was released three weeks later.
Jaguars spokesman Dan Edwards said Tuesday that Couch's release had nothing to do with the drug allegations.
"It was strictly a personnel decision based on performance," Edwards said.
Couch, who had two shoulder surgeries since February 2005, was 2-of-4 passing for 11 yards in one preseason game and was sacked twice. He also missed practice following that game with a sore back.
Couch told Yahoo.com that he passed a drug test when he signed with the Jaguars. Edwards said the NFL's drug-testing policy is confidential, and results are not shared with teams. Teams are only notified when players are suspended for violating the policy, he said.
Couch said "there's no way in hell" he would have passed a drug test in Jacksonville had he taken what was outlined in the steroid regimens.
"It doesn't matter what that (steroid regimen) says," Couch told Yahoo.com. "It matters what I took. I know what I took and what I didn't take."
Copyright 2007 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
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One thing he looks like could possibly be on the stuff. He is unusually muscular for a qb and his bodyfat ratio is very low. If he was on the stuff, then the NFL as a clean league for even qb's is another bedtime fairytale....
he definitely got bigger, but not to the point where i would immediately say he's on roids. can't be sure he's not, but i doubt he's do it, at QB he doesn't have that much to gain imo. one way or another with these accusations, he's porbably done for good in the NFL...
highschoolcoach
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Lance Alworth said:
This is pretty ridiculous. There must be many qualified white quarterbacks who could help them. Imagine if there was a team that had only white running backs or defensive backs. How many editorials about racism would there be? Is there even one about the racism of the Jaguars quarterback situation? Face it, it is highly unlikely that those 4 are the 4 best available quarterbacks. To my mind this is proof that player selection is no always purely on merit. Even on the pro level there are people with an "axe to grind" making foolish decisions.
Gi-15
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Ricard was cut, and Couch definitly looks a lot bigger. Everybody was saying that Couch was now lacking the arm-strengh to make it in the NFL, maybe he thought that was the solution.