Tiger Woods

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  1. sal_paradise

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    michiganblkman: So you don't like it when black men have sugar running through their veins, huh?
    Maybe Tiger's Asian half makes it O.K. with him.
     
  2. Solomon Kane

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    I agree, Michigan--never have cared much for their taste or their sugar content.

    Sal--that's a strange post, as Michigan was not affirming any particular effect of the drink on blacks.

    Tiger loves money too much, though. He's a great golfer, but a greedy one.
     
  3. jaxvid

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    Look Tiger is a great pick to sponsor something. He's non-white which the ad people love, white people don't mind black athletes selling them stuff and black people insist upon it. Tiger is going to be around a long time, there's no career ending injury going to happen. He's going to dominate for a long time. But most importantly he is not going to self distruct like so many other black athletes. He's not going to beat his wife, get caught at the strip club, get busted with drugs or a gun. It's a no brainer. The big corps have been seriously burnt by many a black superstar. That won't happen with Tiger so the sponsorship is understandable. His only drawback is he has probably no selling cred with the kids.
     
  4. Poacher

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    Media now breathlessly covering Tiger's performance at the Buick.

    Golfers should not promote sports drinks because, in my opinion, golf is not a sport and golfers are not athletes.
     
  5. mrjohnnynofear

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    It happens again. Tiger was leading the Dubai Classic for the first two rounds. Then on the 3rd round he falls 4 shots back to Els and then on the final round, Tiger comes from 5 shots back with 9 holes to go and wins it over Els and the 6-8 people who were also in front of him. Not taking anything away from Tiger, he did what he had to do to win and showed heart and shot an amazing 31 on the back 9. But my main concern, as usual, is the lack of heart from everyone else in the field. As I am watching this on the Golf Channel I just can't believe the golfers who are starting to choke and miss birdie puts or saving par puts. I know golf is a tough sport but you mean to tell me that no one can keep their focus and win this from Tiger as he basically gave it away and took it back. Maybe I am taking it too far but some of those golfers need their manhood checked [​IMG] .
     
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    I agree, it's sickening. These are world class golfers they aren't supposed to choke every time Tiger starts getting birdies. What wimps. [​IMG]
     
  7. White Shogun

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    Are the rest of the golfers on the course routinely updated regarding the leader board and what the other golfers are doing? If they're really choking because of how well Woods performs, maybe they ought to wear earplugs until they have finished the course themselves.
     
  8. Don Wassall

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    Leader boards are all over the course, plus the players can undoubtedly hear the "Tiger roars" from the drunk white and Arab fans and the equally giddy announcers as the young god makes birdies. The worst part is that Woods isn't known as a comeback player; he's money in the bank playing with a lead but rarely mounts fourth round comebacks. Yet they still all wilted in front of him. . .
     
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    Woods is now 2-0 in tournaments in 2008 after an admittingly outstanding showing in the Match Play championship last week. Now the drooling white media clowns aren't just hyping the possibility of Woods winning all four majors this year, but of him going undefeated! I kind of hope he does just to see what theCaste Systemdoes next to try and top themselves -- maybe a national holiday honoring Woods will be enacted, perhaps an entire month. The long-standing prayer in public schools issue can be resolved by having the kiddies pray to Tiger each morning before classes begin, something most white parents would delightfully agree to. Entire networks could be devoted to Tiger 24/7. Maybe he can be Obama's running mate, the possibilities are endless.


    Woods' Hot Start Stirs Up Talk of Perfect Season


    http://lledit.ny.publicus.com/article/20080226/NEWS/80226051 6/1017/SPORTS
     
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    I am not surprised when golfers crumble because many of them are mental and physical cream puffs.
     
  11. Solomon Kane

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    DW, your last post was classic! "Obama's running mate.."
    LMAO!

    But seriously, white golfers, get a drop of ice water in your veins...sink a few putts...we can stop this guy!
     
  12. Don Wassall

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    Woods does it again, sinking a long putt on the treacherous 18th hole at Arnie Palmer's tournament to defeat journeyman Brad Bryant, who actually outplayed him on the back nine. The rest of the 20 or so white men with a shot of winning going into the final round (along with Honorary White Man Vijay Singh) did their usual el-foldo.


    As they showed Woods' winning putt and reaction over and over again, 60 year old Johnny Miller said how "exciting" it was to watch Woods react to his victory.Given his unabashed Tiger worshipping announcing style, Miller was probably wearing no pants sitting behind his anchor desk for the final few holes.
     
  13. LabMan

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    The talk of Wood's performance is everywhere,our own White folks just can't say enough about him!Isn't it strange that when White men have won so many times in golf,that Whites would comment in a positive way,and that would be the end of the story.

    In Pittsburgh,the college basketball team is all black,and Whites fill all arenas to support them,and hope that they go all the way in the NCAA tournament,putting aside the facts that black crime is rampant in the city,and nationwide.

    a mixed race person may be a heartbeat away from the presidency in this country,and yes,he was in Pittsburgh today,and Whites lined up for blocks to hear his message of "change",and when interviewed on newscasts,all said,"this is the man who will lead the way"!

    The way?,his people have transformed the country,and if he is elected,perhaps they will finish the job.In 1994,in South Africa,Whites voted to hand all power over to the ANC,[African National Congress],and after that power was attained,White men,women,and children,have been slaughtered on an ongoing basis.

    The very solid area that was once Rhodesia was known as the "breadbasket"of that part of the world,because of the production of White farmers there,White farmers now are murdered,or disenfranchised in some other way,and very little food is now produced.

    Do Whites in this country not know that if they give up all political power to non-whites,that the same situations may occur?.Sports are all important to most of the population of the U.S.,and college basketball,football,pro-football,and baseball,due to the Latin influx,are now not available to most White men who were at one time,able to attain scholarships,and attend college.

    If we can be told by the controlled media that all of our sporting heros should be non-white,the political arena will be next.
     
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    Well, as somebody that played many sports in high school and college, and now has friends at the OTC in Colorado, I ask again, what are people expecting from competitive golfers?

    There just aren't that many guys who choose to play golf everyday when they are 13. The age at which elite athletes are developed is NOT the age at which anybody wants to play 12 hours of golf per week. In the US there are about 8 sports ahead of golf. Many of the guys who pick competitive golf are the phyical and mental wimps among their athletic peers.

    The talent pool is improving, but golf still mainly gets leftovers.
     
  15. Don Wassall

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    Golf is a sport that kids love to play, and my guess is that if you ask 13 year old kids what sports they would want to play 12 hours per week with the eventual goal ofbecoming a pro, golf would not be behind eight other sports, more like right up there with, or right after, football, baseball and basketball.


    Golf is a sport where the main requirementsare excellenthand-eye coordination and the ability to navigate a course and understand what shots are required and then execute them. A lean and strong body can help, but I don't know that being a world class athlete gives one any kind of inherent advantagein golf over the "leftovers." Look at all the football, baseball and hockey players that love to play golf, yet only a very few might have a long-shot chance at making a living on the PGA Tour if they went at it full-time for say five years or more.
     
  16. Bear-Arms

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    Tiger Woods still needs true challenger

    Not to put a damper on the history Tiger Woods is making these days, but one couldn't help but wonder if Arnold Palmer, as he sat on his perch Sunday, was thinking, "Boy, I wish I could have played against these guys."

    Woods didn't exactly beat Jack Nicklaus, Gary Player and Billy Casper, as Palmer was forced to in his day. With the exception of Vijay Singh, the five other players who finished within four shots of Woods at the Arnold Palmer Invitational hardly constitute golf's elite.

    Granted, Sean O'Hair is getting there (at a snail's pace, we might add), but he came into the tournament ranked 35th in the world. Hunter Mahan was 34th.

    Ken Duke, who tied for sixth, sat in the 157th spot and Cliff Kresge, who tied for third, languished at 207th. Valiant runner-up Bart Bryant arrived at Bay Hill ranked 137th in the world.

    As for Singh, he might be showing some signs of aging at 45, having slipped to No. 11 in the world before the tournament. You could see why as he struggled with the putter over the weekend.

    At least Singh gave Woods some big-name competition. World No. 2 Phil Mickelson (tied for 21st) and Jim Furyk and Sergio Garcia (tied for 31st) were long gone when Woods canned his incredible putt on 18.

    All of this raises the question: Is there anybody out there capable of beating Woods?

    Woods will go for his sixth straight PGA Tour victory this week at the CA Championship. He has won three in a row at Doral.

    Why bother even playing the tournament, right? Just hand Woods the trophy and wish him good luck at Augusta.

    There is no question Woods is playing some of the greatest golf of his career, and that's saying quite a bit. But wouldn't it be nice if one of the game's other elite players stepped up and made him sweat?

    Last week's tournament underscores the one flaw in the Woods era. He hasn't been required to beat players who will be listed on the first page of golf's all-time leaderboard.

    Bobby Jones had to go up against Gene Sarazen and Walter Hagen. Ben Hogan, Sam Snead and Byron Nelson knocked heads during their days.

    The battles involving Palmer, Nicklaus and Player morphed into Nicklaus and Tom Watson, with a dose of Lee Trevino thrown in for good measure.

    The collection of Woods' challengersâ€â€￾Mickelson, Singh and Ernie Elsâ€â€￾will be Hall of Famers (Singh already is in), but none has come close to being a Watson to Nicklaus. Imagine how many majors Nicklaus would have won without having to face Watson, Player and Palmer.

    Mickelson has had the best of Woods on occasion, but not enough times to make a lasting impression. As we saw in Dubai in February, Els has a huge mental block when it comes to trying to finish off Woods.

    Singh had his chance last weekend. After the second round, he led at 9 under, seven shots ahead of Woods. Then Singh, like the other contenders, went backward on Saturday, as the leaders dropped to 6 under. Thank you very much, Woods said, as his 66 pulled him into a tie for the top spot.

    It is remarkable how things fall into place that way for Woods. Of course, he took full advantage by shooting 66 back-to-back on the weekend.

    None of this is meant to take anything away from Woods. He can only face the competition thrown at him. Woods has beaten them down so much, an element of futility has set in.

    The golf world has been waiting for more than a decade for a true rival to emerge for Woods. It doesn't look as if that player is coming around any time soon.

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    Woods is the first dominant golfer since Nicklaus was in his prime back in the '60s and '70s. By definition all-time greats are rare. I guess we could castigate every NHL player of a generation ago for not being able to stop Wayne Gretzky, or baseball pitchers of 80 years ago for failing to prevent Babe Ruth from hitting so many home runs, but the reality is that all-time greats can't be stopped. Nicklaus couldn't, and now Woods can't. IfWoods was white, the media (and us) would be toasting his greatness instead of finding fault in everyone else. I don't see tennis players being continually mocked and lecturedto when Roger Federer wins yet another big tournament.


    Today's Mickelson, Singh and Elsare yesterday's Watson, Faldo, Trevino, Player and Palmer.Also, the currentlack of dominanting white golfers can be attributed to much stronger competition. The Tour field is far deeper than it used to be, especially as the money to be made continues to grow exponentially. There are literally thousands of pros competing now on various tours trying to become a member of the only tour that counts.


    Today's golfers are far more physically fit than in previous eras; the cliche ritually said about football playersbeing "faster and more athletic than ever" even as there is no shortage of obese players who can only stay on the field for a few plays without getting winded, is indeed true when it comes to the average fitness level of golf pros. The other factor is Tiger's big advantage in mental toughness and discipline.


    If today's white golfers suck, then how do we describe today's black, hispanic, asian and Jewish golfers?Edited by: Don Wassall
     
  18. Bart

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    Interesting post Don, but Jack faced tougher competition. Mickelson, Singh, and Els have won ONLY 9 majors between them. Gary Player matched that by himself. Watson -8, Palmer - 7, Trevino - 6, Faldo -6. Nicklaus lost Majors when players like Trevino and Watson made incredible do or die shots to pull out miraculous victories.Has Woods lost any Majors in the same way, to opponents who have won multiple Majors?Ray Floyd, and Hale Irwin also were tough, each having won 3 majors. They were not even in the top tier years ago. Nicklaus was challenged often by many great champions, who didn't fold,and won many big events.Tiger has been more fortunate, to put it mldly.
     
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    Faldo was never Nicklaus' competition, he was winning more majors than anyone else in his era, which began after Nicklausstarted to fade and ended right as Woods was starting off as a pro.


    How many majors would Mickelson and Els have if Woods wasn't so dominating? Probably at least 6 each. Both have beenbrides-maids many times in the majors and not just to Woods. Both could undeniably use a little more mental toughness but they're both pretty damn good, sure Hall of Famers in any era.


    What I'm saying is that the competition is far deeper than it was in Nicklaus's era, thus more guys are going to have one of a kind type Grand Slam wins than back then. And it looks like Woods is going to smash all of Jack's records, thus becoming the undisputed best golfer ever. He's already clearly the second best ever and is still only 32 years old. Maybe under such circumstances Nicklaus would win 6 or 8 majors playing today against Woods rather than the 18 he won against a much less deep, Tiger-less Tour 30 and 40 years ago.


    I just think white golfers are getting too much grief because they are losing to what looks like the best ever. The media rubs it in because of the racial component, and so do we. Again, why aren't tennis players routinely criticized as losers and chokers because they can't come close to beating Federer? Because it's white beating white.


    I also think it's highly unlikely that Woods will keep up what he's currently doing much longer. The Caste media already has him penciled in to win all four majors and every other tournament he enters this year.It's mostly forgotten now but he went winless in the majors for three years ('02-'05). We may look back and see Woods' current hot streak as the high point of his dominance. Edited by: Don Wassall
     
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    I really doubt it. I don't hink they've been down to the wire against Woods that often. They have lostplenty of majors to guys who are nothousehold names.



    Does deeper equate to better?Twenty thousand mules could enter the Kentucky Derby, but a fast horse will still win - every time. Or perhaps, Jack would have won 30 and cut Tiger's wins in half. I wonder how Woods would have fared playing with the type of equipment the old-timers used. Almost everybody hits the ball 300 yards today, without even trying. John Daly can hit it that far with one hand, while being drunk, having a cigaretteand a hero sandwich in his mouth. I was listening to Trevino a few years back, and he was amazed at theinabilityof today's golfers to do tricks with the ball.He said they were very limited in shot selection and skills. [/QUOTE]


    Caste media already has him penciled in to win all four majors and every other tournaI also think it's highly unlikely that Woods will keep up what he's currently doing much longer. [/QUOTE]


    That could be.Arnold Palmer was only 34 when he won his last major.Don, you are the man when it comes to golf around here, I'm just arguing for the fun of it. The golf forum is kinda quiet, needs a little excitement.
     
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    Deeper equates to more fluky type wins and unexpected winners given all the variables that go into a 72 hole golf tournament -- weather, type of course, lucky bounces, who'sgets hot -- and how closely bunched together the players are in ability. That's why the fastest horse analogy doesn't translate to golf, except right now in the case of Woods. He's at the top of his game in every facet and he's ruthlessly ambitious, which includes utilizing the intimidation factor (the creation of which has also been nurtured by the media) in his favor.


    The trend for a long time has been for fewer dominant players. Of the top ten golfers with the most career wins, all were born before Nicklaus except for Woods. 77 year old Billy Casper is the third youngest on the list. I think depth is in large part responsible. Woods is a freak but not because of hispartialNegro ancestry asblacks are terrible at golf, he handles himself pretty well and is downright remarkable to watch right now. I'm kind of rooting for him to win every tournament he enters this year just to see how the media handles it. [​IMG]Edited by: Don Wassall
     
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    I think we know how the media would handle it. Couldn't get much worse.Getting back to Jack. He won plenty of majors, but he also came in second an incredible number of times. He was not in the habit of giving tourneys away,and did not have the reputation of folding. Often times, his opponents would have to play GREAT golf, andmake brilliant shots to beat him.Forget about Tiger's opponents mounting a surge, and catching fire. It just doesn't happen. They usually ALL fold and let him walk through unscathed, almost on command. I've seen him diddle away strokes, but it doesn't matter, as the field does even worse! If he drops two, the other guys will drop three or four. It's uncanny.Nobody takes advantage of his mistakes and makes him pay for it. Weird. Edited by: Bart
     
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    Zach Johnson outplayedWoods over the back nine of the final round to win the Masters last year. Bart Bryant put pressure on him the entire back nine just last week. Bob May in the '01 PGA played a brilliant final round. Mickelson outdueled him head to head in the final round of one of the Fed Ex Cup tournaments last fall. Chris DiMarco was right there with him in the final round of the Masters in '05. Mickelson held off Woods and everyone else to win the Masters in '04. There are other examples but it doesn't happen often enough for sure.
     
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    Black skin privilege at work. I wonder if Phil Mickelson would receive so little lack of criticism if he did this:


    Woods: Shutter snap at No. 9 halted momentum


    Tiger Woods is growing more frustrated with photographers snapping pictures of him during his swing.








    In an interview on ESPN's First Take on Wednesday. Woods addressed an incident at last week's WGC-CA Championship at Doral, Fla., when he reacted to the click of a camera in his backswing with an obscenity-laced threat.








    Woods' intense competitive streak is well-known, and he's also been known to curse when his results don't meet his high expectations. But on Sunday, in a threat punctuated with profanity, he threatened bodily harm to the next photographer who snaps during his swing.








    "It's been frustrating because that's what been happening lately," Woods told ESPN's First Take. "It's one of the things that comes with playing in the last group, one of the distractions we have to deal with."








    What's more, Woods said, the distractions have affected his play.








    "Each time it's happened, well three out of four times, I made bogey," Woods said. "At the time I needed to make birdie, I flinched on it. [The photographer] got me in transition on my downswing.








    "You have no idea what's been said on the golf course all the time, in any sport really," Woods added. "It was the heat of the moment. That one shot took the momentum that I had built on No. 8."


    http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=3313069
     
  25. Solomon Kane

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    Don, you're right about Tiger's three year winless streak---its happened before and can happen again---let's hope so. The bloom was off the rose for a while, and the media was slowly focusing its attention on other players--Els, Sergio... Then Tiger recovered. Then Phil won his majors and became a real challenger before the blow-up at the US Open

    There's a still a decent chance that Tiger could fail to catch Nicklaus. The first step is to shut him out of a major for a year. 32-39 are weird years--sometimes the most dominating for a player, but sometimes years of decline, or at least years of a plateau of sorts. His annoyance at the ordinary disturbance of photographers shows that he's tightly wound...He might have many meltdowns of his own...or there might a "white tiger" waiting in the wings.

    let's hope so.
     

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