The Lee Park Golf Association or LPGA

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  1. Jamie Kelso

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    <center>The LPGA?
    or the Lee Park Golf Association?
    Do White Folks Really Want
    To Watch Korean Golf?</font>
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    What in the world has happened to the great White sport of women's golf? And more specifically, why in the world are White folks compelled to watch LPGA tournaments in which more than a third of the players are Koreans and other Asians?

    Where's the enjoyment and where's the community sports enjoyment in this kind of TV or tournament?

    I'm looking at the list of players making the cut in the LPGA-SemGroup Championship at Cedar Ridge Country Club in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma on May 2, 2008. 24 of the 70 ladies have names that are obviously Korean, Chinese or some other Asian name. Here they are:

    Ji Young Oh
    Jee Young Lee
    Meena Lee
    Ai Miyamoto
    Hee Young Park
    Na On Min
    Na Yoon Choi
    Su A Kim
    Jeong Jang
    Jin Joo Hong
    Mi Hyun Kim
    Christina Kim
    Jane Park
    Candie Kung
    Seo-Jae Lee
    Teresa Lu
    Inbee Park
    Young Kim
    Eun-Hi Ji
    Irene Cho
    Seon Hwa Lee
    Jimin Kang
    Hannah Jun
    H.J. Choi

    That's 34.3% of the players in this LPGA (Lee Park Golf Association?) tournament! 24 out of 70.

    What's going on? What happened to the great LPGA, and all the fun of watching our ladies play great golf? Are our ladies now consigned to having to play against 3 billion Asians eager to take home the money from tournament tickets and rake in the corporate endorsements?Edited by: Jamie Kelso
     
  2. SeaJim

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    Asian girls are there for one thing, and one thing only...to bag a white guy.
     
  3. Van_Slyke_CF

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    I have no problem with Asian women, especially the standout Korean golfers, doing so well on the LPGA Tour. If they outwork the Americans and Europeans, so be it. There are a bunch of outstanding Koreans and a few Chinese on the Japan LPGA Tour as well. Maybe the success of the Koreans will motivate the Americans and the Europeans to work harder.

    By the way, Ai Miyamoto on your list is Japanese, the only one. She is the best young Japanese golfer and left their tour a few years ago for the challenge of the LPGA.

    I don`t see this issue as one of discrimination against whites as with so many of the other sports we talk about here, especially football and basketball.
     
  4. Jamie Kelso

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    <center>Here's Inspiration For Us</font></center>

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    Annika Sorrenstam</center>Edited by: Jamie Kelso
     
  5. jaxvid

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    I disagree and wholeheartedly support Kelso's position. This is America, the sponsors are paying to appeal to Americans, and having foreigners come over to take money away from our people is wrong. Furthermore the tour is hurt by all of the foreigners as it reduces the popularity (hence the profitability) of the game so for that reason alone the Asians should be reduced, or preferably restricted.

    Sports is about support of those you want to see compete, not just about watching the best. If it was just about the "best" then no one would watch a game or match between anyone else then #1 and #2. I have no desire to watch Asians, hispanics, or blacks, play any sport. I don't care how good they are. I want to see people play that I identify with and have a natural affinity for. This is the way the whole non-white world feels and so do I.
     
  6. Solomon Kane

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    I must say many Koreans are anti-american, you see it especially in the olympics, and many of their sports figures see their victories as "sticking it to the Americans". Remember their hatred of speedskater Apollo Ohno (yes, I know he's part Japanese), and that Korean boxer who refused to leave the ring when the decision went against him?

    also, they don't seem grateful to america for providing the pro circuits that pay the bills. I sense a sort of aloofness or frostiness in the korean players or maybe its just me.

    However,

    Given current politics, I'd rather see a Korean win than a mexican. And Koreans stand up to the brothuhs and the muchachos.

    Still when all is said and done it should be possible to form a profit making league for your own race...without being deluged with lawsuits.

    the culprit once again is the 1964 civil rights act which effectively prevents all peoples from exercising their rights of association.
     
  7. SeaJim

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    I was watching this tournament today. Can anyone tell which Asian girl is who? Oh my god, they all look alike. I find when you have one or two Asian women they stand out and "can be" attractive, but when there is a wolfpack of them...forget it, they all look identical....ugh!!! Edited by: SeaJim
     
  8. foreverfree

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    Good OP, Jamie. However, I never considered Annika to be as tasty eye candy, as say, Michelle McGann. [​IMG]

    John
     
  9. SeaJim

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    I'd take Annika anyday over all those identical looking, mass produced Asian fembots.
     
  10. Quiet Speed

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    Report: Every Asian girl over age 4 now able to shoot in the low 70s

    Full story (scroll down to about mid-page)
     
  11. Don Wassall

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    Here, in its entirety, is the blurb from today's local paper on this past week's LPGA event:


    "At Rogers, Arkansas, Seon Hwa Lee birdied the final hole for a one-stroke victory over Jane Park -- who fired a sizzling 62 -- and Meena Lee in the LPGA Tour's NW Arkansas Championship.


    "Seon Hwa Lee closed with a 4-under 68 to finish at 15-under 201. Meena Lee led by a stroke before coming up short of the green on the par-3 17th. Her chip was long, and she missed from about 10 feet for a bogey. Meena Lee had a chance to tie on 18 but misseda 15-foot birdie putt.


    "Las Vegan Inbee Park, coming off her victory in the U.S. Open, finished 10th, four shots off the lead at 11-under 205."
     
  12. Solomon Kane

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    Depressing. Go natalie, go annika!
     
  13. Deadlift

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    It's a frickin' infestation!


    Some of these Asian "ladies" look like boys and comport themselves in that way.


    I hope "Asian golf" backfires, and the above could be one reason why.
     
  14. Don Wassall

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    Here's thefinal leader board of this past week's LPGA event:



    <TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 ="table"><T>
    <T>
    <TR ="stat">
    <TD colSpan=4>LPGA STATE FARM CLASSIC, FINAL ROUND COMPLETE</TD></TR>
    <TR ="col">
    <TD></TD>
    <TD>PLAYER</TD>
    <TD align=middle>SCORE</TD>
    <TD align=middle>HOLE</TD></TR>
    <TR align=middle ="oddrow">
    <TD align=middle>1</TD>
    <TD align=left>x-Ji Young Oh</TD>
    <TD>-18</TD>
    <TD align=middle>F</TD></TR>
    <TR align=middle ="evenrow">
    <TD align=middle>2</TD>
    <TD align=left>Yani Tseng</TD>
    <TD>-18</TD>
    <TD align=middle>F</TD></TR>
    <TR align=middle ="oddrow">
    <TD align=middle>3</TD>
    <TD align=left>Na Yeon Choi</TD>
    <TD>-17</TD>
    <TD align=middle>F</TD></TR>
    <TR align=middle ="evenrow">
    <TD align=middle>4</TD>
    <TD align=left>Shanshan Feng</TD>
    <TD>-16</TD>
    <TD align=middle>F</TD></TR>
    <TR align=middle ="oddrow">
    <TD align=middle>4</TD>
    <TD align=left>Stacy Prammanasudh</TD>
    <TD>-16</TD>
    <TD align=middle>F</TD></TR>
    <TR align=middle ="evenrow">
    <TD align=middle>4</TD>
    <TD align=left>Hee-Won Han</TD>
    <TD>-16</TD>
    <TD align=middle>F</TD></TR>
    <TR align=middle ="oddrow">
    <TD align=middle>7</TD>
    <TD align=left>Kristy McPherson</TD>
    <TD>-15</TD>
    <TD align=middle>F</TD></TR>
    <TR align=middle ="evenrow">
    <TD align=middle>7</TD>
    <TD align=left>Kyeong Bae</TD>
    <TD>-15</TD>
    <TD align=middle>F</TD></TR>
    <TR align=middle ="oddrow">
    <TD align=middle>9</TD>
    <TD align=left>Wendy Ward</TD>
    <TD>-14</TD>
    <TD align=middle>F</TD></TR>
    <TR align=middle ="evenrow">
    <TD align=middle>9</TD>
    <TD align=left>Christina Kim</TD>
    <TD>-14</TD>
    <TD align=middle>F</TD></TR>
    <TR align=middle ="oddrow">
    <TD align=middle>9</TD>
    <TD align=left>Katie Futcher</TD>
    <TD>-14</TD>
    <TD align=middle>F</TD></TR>
    <TR align=middle ="evenrow">
    <TD align=middle>12</TD>
    <TD align=left>Jimin Kang</TD>
    <TD>-13</TD>
    <TD align=middle>F</TD></TR>
    <TR align=middle ="oddrow">
    <TD align=middle>12</TD>
    <TD align=left>Erica Blasberg</TD>
    <TD>-13</TD>
    <TD align=middle>F</TD></TR>
    <TR align=middle ="evenrow">
    <TD align=middle>12</TD>
    <TD align=left>Sun Young Yoo</TD>
    <TD>-13</TD>
    <TD align=middle>F</TD></TR>
    <TR align=middle ="oddrow">
    <TD align=middle>12</TD>
    <TD align=left>Wendy Doolan</TD>
    <TD>-13</TD>
    <TD align=middle>F</TD></TR>
    <TR align=middle ="evenrow">
    <TD align=middle>16</TD>
    <TD align=left>Jane Park</TD>
    <TD>-12</TD>
    <TD align=middle>F</TD></TR>
    <TR align=middle ="oddrow">
    <TD align=middle>16</TD>
    <TD align=left>Carri Wood</TD>
    <TD>-12</TD>
    <TD align=middle>F</TD></TR>
    <TR align=middle ="evenrow">
    <TD align=middle>16</TD>
    <TD align=left>Anna Grzebien</TD>
    <TD>-12</TD>
    <TD align=middle>F</TD></TR>
    <TR align=middle ="oddrow">
    <TD align=middle>19</TD>
    <TD align=left>Six tied at</TD>
    <TD>-11</TD></TR></T></T></TABLE>Edited by: Don Wassall
     
  15. johnnyboy

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    i disagree, and i wholeheartedly agree with Van Slyke. golf is an individual sport where i don't believe there's much if any discrimination against whites. it's not like football where some dumb ass coach is barring anyone who isn't black from carrying the football. if these asian girls are playing better than any other group then the other ladies need to pick up their game.

    i will root for a guy like Sam McGuffie because he represents a possible dagger in the heart of all things caste, but that fact doesn't mean i can't allow myself to recognize and a appreciate an athlete like Ladanian Tomlinson. the great athletes talked about in posts on this web page do not need a restriction on foreigners in their sport, or an abolishment of minorities from others. thats just bullsh*t, veiled affirmative action. it's basically admitting or atleast insinuating that whites need "extra help" to compete. i for one do not believe that to be the case AT ALL.
     
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    Bullcrap! Pro-Golf is just entertainment. Even more so with the ladies since the level of their game doesn't even compare with the men. In fact if it was all about being the best why are there seperate tours? If you just want to see the best then you should never watch the ladies because they would almost all be beaten by the men.

    Any pro-sport is about entertainment and the entertainment value is REDUCED when all of the top players are faceless people from another country that for one reason or another has concentrated it's resources on one sport.

    Why aren't they playing on the Korean ladies tour and entertaining their own people? Isn't being the "best" important in Korea too? American fans should get to watch Americans because they are spending money earned here which should stay here.
     
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    i see what you are saying about the entertainment value. yeah it would suck if every woman golfer was a korean national. but for me, i would never endorse banning a certain race from an american sporting league, for the purposes of making it an all white league or tour or whatnot. white athletes are good enough to compete with ANY athletes in the world, in ANY sport. they just need the powers that be in certain sports, to stop using a caste systemto hold them back. i am against affirmative action for any race, for any reason. IMO, banning other races from competing from any league is not the answer to our problems. that would only do two things...

    1. admit to every caste whore that whites need to be protected from "superior" minority athletes.

    2. it would make the accomplishments of whites hollow.
     
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    I don't think it's question of "banning" anyone. Every country in the world limits the amount of foreigners that can come into their country for one reason or another. And one of the main reasons is to protect domestic labor. How is it different to limit golfers then to limit doctors or engineers? There are finite spots in any occupation and it is silly to open all of them up to the whole rest of the world.

    Japan limits foreigners in their pro baseball to maintain the chararcter of their sport, Canada does the same with football players. Why would it be wrong for the US to do that too?
     
  19. Don Wassall

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    Interesting development:


    Speak English To Collect Our Golf Purses, Says The LPGA


    By Donald A. Collins


    A major group in my favorite sport, golf, just decided to put forth a rule which doubtless will be contested, debated, and possibly ignored, but I can't wait to hear the screams.


    The Washington Post's piece, English Will Be the Official Language of the LPGA Tour, [August 27, 2008]says, "The LPGA (Ladies Professional Golf Association) will require players to speak English starting in 2009, with players who have been LPGA members for two years facing suspension if they can't pass an oral evaluation of English skills. The rule is effective immediately for new players."


    Apparently, the LPGA is as tired as most Americans of seeing too many good jobs going to offshore players, mostly Asians, who are taking away large portions of the LPGA purses, although the story doesn't admit that.


    However,
    "There are 121 international players from 26 countries on the LPGA Tour, including 45 players from South Korea.
    The South Koreans were informed of the rule; however, LPGA Commissioner Carolyn Bivens has not given themâ€â€￾or anyoneâ€â€￾a written explanation, Galloway said.
    But the message already appears to be lost in translation. The magazine said every South Korean player it interviewed believed she would lose her card if she failed the English evaluation.
    Angela Park, born in Brazil of South Korean heritage and raised in the United States, said the policy is fair and good for the tour and its international players.
    "A lot of Korean players think they are being targeted, but it's just because there are so many of them," Park told the magazine."


    A more practical reason-and one I find legitimate-is the fact that sports figures are entertainment and heroes who cannot speak the sponsors' language can't become the kind of personalities that made players like Arnold Palmer, Juli Inkster, and, yes, Anika Sorenstam, the Swedish star now just retiring, top drawing cards for TV and product endorsements, fully capable of charming interviewers with their comments. As one tournament director noted, "This is an American tour. It is important for sponsors to be able to interact with players and have a positive experience."


    My point: America is being picked over by many foreign countries, gnawed at like a carrion by vultures for its technology and its buying power for the goods and services being made in cheap labor nations. We have long suffered because we didn't demand English be America's official language, seeing many other languages (and their cultures) gaining free rein here, just like allowing foreign golfers to play in our open tournaments.


    As former Colorado Governor Richard Lamm so eloquently noted in his famous October 2003 speech on how to destroy America, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture." These golfers come here to make far more money than they could make playing golf at home, creating a reverse twist to the cheap labor in their home countries which is costing Americans jobs. Further, to compete, these golfers must spend substantial time here. They are in fact cherry-picking American jobs. If they want to be here to earn a living, fine, but the new LPGA rule strikes me as very fair. Betcha if the purses get bigger overseas and comparable to purses here, our players will be required to learn the languages of those countries' sponsors.


    Donald A. Collins [email him], is a freelance writer living in Washington DC and a board member of FAIR, the Federation for American Immigration Reform. His views are his own.


    http://vdare.com/collins/080827_lpga.htmEdited by: Don Wassall
     
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    The campaign against the LPGA has begun. Do you think they'll be anyone in the media who supports the LPGA's position? That's not how it works in the U.S. --there must be racial "diversity" but everyonehas to be identical ideologically.


    Forcing English on LPGA is un-American


    http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/8498524/Forcing-English- on-LPGA-is-un-American
     
  21. bigunreal

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    I heard a bit about this on the "Mike & Mike" ESPN show this morning. Fortunately, "Greenie" was on vacation, but his idiotic cohort, Mike Golic, was on hand to provide the mainstream's politically correct perspective on the subject. Golic thought it was ridiculous to demand that these players speak English.

    Once again, we have what shoud be a slam dunk issue, with no debate necessary; it is obviously, 100% in the best interests of everyone for people who live and work in this country to speak the same language. Period. No reasonable person could think otherwise, unless they have an agenda. Obviously, Golic and every other jock- sniffer with a public forum do.
     
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    Golic is a turd. While I don't hate him as much as I hate that Greenberg lout, he isn't really full of any useful information. Not very articulate, either.

    He was the only mainstream guy who spoke on the race issue regarding Brian Leonard's move from HB to FB, though. Only time I ever agreed with the guy.
     
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    johnnyboy on golf and sports:

    johnnyboy on politics:

    It seems inconsistent to me to defend foreigners participation in American sports, but vote against Obama because he is black. I realize we're talking about two different realms - sports and politics - but shouldn't you support whites in both?

    If we want to support the BEST person in their respective field, shouldn't we vote for who we feel is the best candidate instead of basing it on race? Conversely, if we're all about race, e.g. voting for McCain because he is white, then why shouldn't we want to limit foreign participation in American sports, particularly in a sport that would otherwise be white dominated, like golf?

    Just wondering.
     
  25. Van_Slyke_CF

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    Four months ago, I said about the issue of the "Asian Infestation" of the LPGA Tour:

    "I have no problem with Asian women, especially the standout Korean golfers, doing so well on the LPGA Tour. If they outwork the Americans and Europeans, so be it. There are a bunch of outstanding Koreans and a few Chinese on the Japan LPGA Tour as well. Maybe the success of the Koreans will motivate the Americans and the Europeans to work harder.

    By the way, Ai Miyamoto on your list is Japanese, the only one. She is the best young Japanese golfer and left their tour a few years ago for the challenge of the LPGA.

    I don`t see this issue as one of discrimination against whites as with so many of the other sports we talk about here, especially football and basketball."


    I have to admit that I`ve changed my tune somewhat after doing a little research into why there are so many of them playing in the U.S. in recent years. It`s not just a talent thing-it`s even more a money thing. I was amazed to read about the amount of money the Koreans, and, more especially, the Japanese(for only a couple of players), are paying to support(attempt to run?) the LPGA Tour.

    I still admire the talents of the many outstanding Asian golfers. I`m sure the Americans and Europeans could learn a thing or two from them about how to practice and play the game.

    Yet it seems to me that this move by the LPGA is more than a little hypocritical. Put simply, let`s take the Asians` money over and over again, but, when too many of their players are taking so much of the money back home with them, let`s come up with some silly rule to hinder that.

    In most other countries, the powers-that-be running said sport would invariably put a quota on the number of foreigners allowed to play in the country-as with all pro sports that I can think of in Japan. However, in the U.S., it wouldn`t be right to do it in an open, honest way. They had to come up with this "speak English" idea.
     

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