The Genocide of Germans in East Prussia

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  1. Charles Martel

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    You can find details of the 1944/45 horrors in East Prussia and other areas of Eastern Europe in Max Hasting's book Armageddon.

    http://www.exulanten.com/expulsionep.html

    "Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil. Stamp out the fascist beast once and for
    all in its lair! Use force and break the racial pride of these German women. Take them as your
    lawful booty. Kill! As you storm forward. Kill! You gallant soldiers of the Red army."

    - (((Ilya Ehrenburg)))
     
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    Yes. In war people often commit atrocities against each other. ALL NATIONS are guilty of this. Nothing new.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_war_crimes
     
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    I've been listening to David Irving again. Hitler apparently didn't want war with his European neighbors as most report that
    he was intent on genocide of other peoples. However, there is nothing in history comparable to the Jewish Bolsheviks Red Communist Revolution in terms of what our people suffered. Mao killed more in sheer numbers though.
     
  4. Charles Martel

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    But usually, we only hear about one side of it.

    Everybody knows who Goebbels was, but how many people have heard of Ilya Ehrenburg?

    And the Western allies invading from the west in 1944-45 didn't rape every German female from age 10 to age 60 like the Bolsheviks, and they didn't torture and kill hundreds of thousands of civilians including small children.

    http://www.berlin-1945.com/horrors-of-war/ilya-ehrenberg-texts/

    Krasnaya Zvezda (No173 [5236]) 24 July 1942

    “The Germans are not human beings. From now on the word German means to use the most terrible oath. From now on the word German strikes us to the quick. We shall not speak any more. We shall not get excited. We shall kill. If you have not killed at least one German a day, you have wasted that day … If you cannot kill your German with a bullet, kill him with your bayonet. If there is calm on your part of the front, or if you are waiting for the fighting, kill a German in the meantime. If you kill one German, kill another — there is nothing more amusing for us than a heap of German corpses. Do not count days, do not count kilometers. Count only the number of Germans killed by you. Kill the German — that is your grandmother’s request. Kill the German — that is your child’s prayer. Kill the German — that is your motherland’s loud request. Do not miss. Do not let through. Kill.”

    Another text from 1944/45:

    “Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil! Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin. Stamp out the fascist beast once and for all in its lair! Use force and break the racial pride of these German women. Take them as your lawful booty. Kill! As you storm onward, kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army.”
     
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    That's it exactly. Hardly anybody in our schools knows or even learns of Communists being the biggest mass murderers in history, by far...
     
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    I learned about him in COLLEGE. The Thaw is an excellent novel. How does he compare to Goebbels though? Goebbels was the Reich Minister of Propaganda. Ehrenburg was a writer who had one of his novels, The Black Book, suppressed by the Soviets. Comparing him to Goebbels is like comparing Tom Brady to a high school football player; they're simply not the same.
     
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    I remember as a Sr. in High School I asked my AP World History Teacher if it was true that most of Bolsheviks were Jews. His jaw nearly dropped but he did answer with a yes and that was about all he had to say. If they do teach about communism in regular classes it's most likely very vanilla.
     
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    I've known about Ehrenburg since I was in college. He wasn't comparable to Goebbels, who was head of a government ministry ("Minister of Propaganda and Popular Enlightenment") and gauleiter of Berlin. Ehrenburg was a pet writer of the Soviet regime with an international reputation who was one of many who wrote propaganda. Goebbels was in charge of that area of the Nazi Regime and was one of the top half dozen or so in the Third Reich. Ehrenburg was nowhere near that.

    Yes, Ehrenburg and Goebbels were not the same.
     
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    You miss the point of the thread. Ehrenberg encouraged the killing of German civilians, in much the same way Goebbels allegedly encouraged the killing of Jews. In that way they were both the same (although one was a German Nazi high-ranking propagandist, and the other was the leading Jewish Bolshevik newspaper and radio propagandist).

    Ehrenberg's daily propaganda was instrumental in encouraging the Bolshevik troops to kill nearly all of the German civilians in East Prussia, and many elsewhere in Eastern Europe. He was a monster, every bit as much as Goebbels.

    I heard of people like Goebbels as a small child, but although I too went through University, none of the teachers nor the textbooks ever mentioned Ehrenberg encouraging genocide, although I do vaguely remember him being mentioned as an obscure Marxist author. Nor was there ever a mention of his encouraging the murder of civilians in numerous WW II documentaries I've watched.

    There are several documentaries on similar people like Georges Rutaganda, and he's appeared as a character in several movies (example: Hotel Rwanda). Rutaganda's role in the Rwandan genocide was daily radio propaganda, encouraging the killing of Tutsis, similar to Ehrenberg.

    You see people like Goebbels, Eichmann, Himmler in the WW II movies, tell me, what movie is Ehrenberg in? What movie scene do we see him broadcasting "kill all the Germans"? We see Stalin as a character in movies, but what films are (((Yagoda))) or (((Lazar Kaganovich))) in?

    You'd think someone who encouraged the mass murder of civilians would have a higher profile, and as the monster he was, not as a benign author.
     
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    Yes, you heard about the books he wrote, probably because you took courses from Jewish Marxist teachers. And no doubt your teachers spoke of him in a positive way? But I bet they didn't mention that he urged the Bolshevik soldiers to kill all the German civilians.

    And he gets to write books after the war, after encouraging the murder of civilians through the Soviet media from 1942 to 1945? Wow, that's some kind of Jewish privilege.
     
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    I went to the University of Georgia. I had ALL white southern men for the history courses I took. No members of the (((tribe))) although I did have one Unitarian professor who was somewhat sketchy lol. And no NONE of my professors EVER spoke about ANY controversial person or topic in a positive way. They just presented the historiography about the subject at hand. Like ALL GOOD history educators should do. Have a good one...
     

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