Well, unfortunately, I'm not a site builder and V-Bulletin is tough for me to admin now as it is. What I've seen of newer versions than the one here looks more complicated and isn't as attractive. Kind of like the way Windows 8 was a downgrade from Windows 7, at least to me. For better or worse I need to pay someone to migrate posts from one software to another, do needed upgrades, etc. I posted a while back in Happy Hour asking if anyone here knew a good web developer that thinks like we do here but didn't get any responses.