The Combine and Pro Days -- the Caste System by the Numbers

Discussion in 'NFL' started by Don Wassall, Jan 27, 2019.

  1. Leonardfan

    Leonardfan Hall of Famer

    Jul 30, 2006
    I totally agree. Great post by Dolphins15.

    Also back to the Pro Day/Combine coverage. The Combine data is all easily accessible but it's really the pro day information that has amazingly becoming harder to find than it was a few years ago. As Truthteller said - Gil Brandt used to post "blurbs" from most workouts and it slowly trickled to nothing. only lists the pro days and no results.
  2. Leonardfan

    Leonardfan Hall of Famer

    Jul 30, 2006
    Here's one from the Wake Forest Pro day"

    Wake Forest WR Alex Bachman ran an unofficial 4.40 40-yard dash at his Pro Day.
    Bachman (6'0/190) was reportedly the best athlete at the Pro Day, also recording a 10-foot, 7-inch broad jump. He impressed in front of the 31 NFL teams in attendance and even outperformed likely draft-pick Greg Dortch. Bachman had just 370 receiving yards on 30 receptions during the regular season prior to his nuclear 7/171/0 outing in the Birmingham Bowl. He'll likely have to work his way onto an NFL roster as an undrafted free agent.

    Wake Forest WR Greg Dortch ran anywhere from a 4.49 to 4.52 40-yard dash at his Pro Day.
    Dortch (5'7/173) didn't run at the NFL Scouting Combine, making this an important day for the speedy wideout. He also excelled in the 3-cone drill and shuttle but the official times weren't reported. 31-of-32 NFL teams were represented at the Pro Day and Dortch felt like he "opened eyes." The productive wideout lacks stature but can certainly find a role on a creative offense. He'll likely be a late-round pick in the NFL Draft.
  3. Don Wassall

    Don Wassall Administrator Staff Member

    Sep 30, 2004
    Please, I'm asking again for everyone to understand the purpose of this thread. It is to post actual Combine and Pro Day results, and when possible compare the numbers of black players to those of White players.

    General discussion of the Combine, the Draft, sites that do or don't have results, etc., should be posted in the 2019 Draft thread or the general NFL discussion thread.

    I've unpinned this thread because there were about 15 off-topic posts in a row until Dolphin15's great post. Now once again we're off topic.
  4. dolphins15

    dolphins15 Guru

    Feb 15, 2017
  5. white lightning

    white lightning Hall of Famer Staff Member

    Oct 16, 2004
    Damn Chad Zallow is like the flash. Rare to see anyone run that fast. Would love to see him get a chance somewhere to show his talent.
  6. Jbull

    Jbull Newbie

    Mar 29, 2019
    AJ Ouellette's proday numbers and where he'd rank vs. guys who participated at the combine. Should have "Upside" written all over him with these numbers haha. We'll see.....

    205 lbs.
    40 - 4.48 secs. (T-4th*) •
    Bench - 32 reps (2nd*) •
    Vert. - 36" (T-6th*) •
  7. Extra Point

    Extra Point Hall of Famer

    Oct 21, 2012
    I just had a discussion on a Bears board about Ryan Nall. I suggested Nall is a viable option for the Bears. Not surprisingly a couple of DWFs bashed Nall, one saying Nall was a slower Jordan Howard.

    So I looked up their times. Howard ran a 4.59 40 before the draft and Nall ran a 4.58. I pointed out to the DWF that 4.58 was faster than 4.59.
  8. Leonardfan

    Leonardfan Hall of Famer

    Jul 30, 2006
    Overlooked Stanford LB Joey Alfieri performed well at his pro day:

    6'2" 235lbs, 33.5 inch vert, 9'10" broad jump, 4.53 40

    Career numbers:
    89 solo / 76 ast tackles - 165 total
    26.5 tfl
    14 sacks
    2 ints
    6 PD
    2 FF
    2 FR

    His black teammate at the same position Bobby Okereke was invited to the combine and getting "buzz"

    6'1" 239lbs 4.58 40, 33.5 inch vert, 122 inch broad (I believe that converts to about a 10' foot broad jump).

    114 solo/126 ast tackles - 240 total
    19 tfl
    10.5 sacks
    1 int
    9 pd
    3 ff
    1 fr

    Pretty equal numbers overall with Alfieri leading in sacks and TFLs. They were also used differently in the defense. Alfieri has all the same production against the same teams that Okereke does yet their is no buzz around him. He will probably be another very good white front seven defensive player from Stanford to just be tossed aside by the NFL - Chase Thomas, Thomas Keiser, Ben Gardner to name a few.
  9. Leonardfan

    Leonardfan Hall of Famer

    Jul 30, 2006
    Chris Johnson Safety North Alabama 6'3 200lbs

    Steelers, Chiefs, Lions and Titans all had representatives at the pro day. Below are all of Johnson's numbers.

    4.42 40
    6.61 3-cone
    33.5 Vert
    15 BP Reps
    119 Broad Jump
    4.46 20 yd shuttle

    Quite a few other white DBs on the list:
    Robbie Grimsley
    Reid Miller
    Joel Dullary
    Mitch Fettig

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