The Combine and Pro Days -- the Caste System by the Numbers

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  1. northwinds

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    Only 4 defensive linemen went under 7 seconds in the 3 cone drill and all of them just happened to be white.
    Maxx Crosby 6.89
    Anthony Nelson 6.95
    Sutton Smith 6.75
    Chase Winovich 6.94
     
  3. TwentyTwo

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    Thanks RedRaider! Good stuff! Who else will take notice?? It was that way with Danny Woodhead; Welker; Edelman; Jacob Hester ; etc

    This New Orleans Saints Mock Draft has DB Chris Johnson(Northern Alabama) going in the 7th Round; would be a good fit after letting go of overpriced Kurt Coleman.

    https://whodatdish.com/2019/01/30/saints-2019-nfl-draft-first-take-seven-round-mock-draft/5/

    Chris Johnson – Free/Strong Safety – North Alabama
    6-foot-2, 209-pounds

    The Saints are going to need a little help at safety in 2019. Kurt Coleman is almost assuredly out the door as much as he underperformed and as little as he saw the field after signing a contract that will net him $4.25 million this season. There’s no way he’s worth that and the Saints will act accordingly.

    Vonn Bell and Marcus Williams are sufficient. Sometimes good and usually better than average. But the Saints could use some depth at safety and, worse case scenario, you get a special teams body out of the deal.

    That’s where North Alabama’s Chris Johnson comes in. And, let’s be honest, guys this low in the seventh round rarely even make a practice squad. There are the cases of players like Zach Strief and Marques Colston, but those are super rare.

    But Johnson is a small school prospect with considerable upside. He can play both strong and free safety and is a thumper as well as a ball-hawk. He nabbed six interceptions in his 2017 campaign with the Lions and has legit 4.4 speed to go with a solid frame. ((((WHY WAS HE NOT INVITED TO NFL COMBINE AGAIN??)))

    He’s the kind of kid who has special teams nightmare tattooed across his face and would stand a decent chance of cracking the 53-man roster with the proper coaching. You could do a heck of a lot worse this late in the draft.
     
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    Yeah Leonardfan....we clearly see the double standard; the slow ingraining of indoctrination has dwf's in a zombie-like trance. Too bad TE Kaden Smith was unable to compete....Dunking Shot-puts in HS; Big time athleticism. A late 1st Round talent likely drops to 2nd to early 3rd Round.

    https://whodatdish.com/2019/02/14/saints-2019-nfl-draft-player-profile-kaden-smith-te-stanford-2/2/

    Delaware DB Nasir Adderly was just Compared to Eric Weddle in Football IQ & Range...Deion Sanders said "Eric Weddle is a Dog"...that's the ultimate compliment.

    Another NFL Combine where ONLY one White DB is invited...Frustrating! Where was Chris Johnson & Parker Baldwin? Would it have mattered if Brandon Snyder had injuries or not? Chase Hansen & Drue Tranquil outgrew the DB position.
     
  5. Don Wassall

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    Please remember that the purpose of this pinned thread is to post and compare Combine and Pro Day numbers to illustrate how the Caste System works so that we have a master thread that can be used as an easy to access reference and resource tool, not just this year but in the future too. All other posts regarding the 2019 Combine should go in the 2019 NFL Draft thread or another relevant thread.
     
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    Okay I've got a good one. Leo Musso Is from last year's Class('17) but for this exercise it will do.

    He had a great career at Wisconsin piling up 8INTS in his career. 5 as a SR. Not bad for a former walk-on(heard that before) Of course he wasn't invited to the combine, but his 2 black teammates from Florida were. What did they do? Run 4.6s. As Cornerbacks.

    Below is A quote of mine from last year's NFL Draft Thread detailing Musso's Pro Day workout:

    Leo Musso 15 reps and a 40.5 inch vertical! 10'8 broad jump! As soon as I see his 40 time I'll share it! He's undersized for FS but would be a great CB candidate if he wasn't a pale face..

    ** Musso with a 4.57 40! He also had a stellar run in 60yd shuttle drill. His time of 11.05 would have been 3rd best all time, had he been invited to the Combine! He was Top 10 in INTS this season
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    Fast forward to this Season's NFL Combine. Another Florida afflete was invited from Wisconsin in SS D'cota Dixon. He just ran a 4.81 40 today, ouch. 2nd slowest Safety at Combine this year.
     
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    Good find. Great evidence to use against DWFs when they call for Sorensen's head year after year claiming him not to be athletic enough.
     
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    This past combine two power five schools had three WRs at the combine, Ohio State and Georgia. Georgia WRs stats are paltry even with a first class QB. Come on people talk about pushing the caste agenda. Good grief. Here are the Georgia trio stats. Not impressive.

    Mecole Hardman 35-543--only reason he was invited was to show off his 40 speed.

    Ryan Ridley 43-559

    Terry Godwin 23-385

    The combine also went overboard with a third member of Ohio State Johnnie Dixon 42-669

    After the combine the media is hyping WR Parris Campbell who tied Isabella with a 4.31 40. Isabella has superior stats playing with a low end QB. Campbell had a first round QB and basically ran slants and not much else. Isabella ran every conceivable pattern in the books. Long/short etc.

    So why would anyone pick Campbell before Andy? Reminds me too much of current Panther Curtis Samuel. A limited WR speedster who can only run simple patterns.

    But think of the players above and Riley McCarron a couple of years back. Also from a power 5 school Riley had a 42-517 stat line and impressive punt return numbers. He ran a 4.3 plus his pro day and jumped over 40 inches. He fits the mold of the special athlete with potential whose numbers don't always jump out but unlike his black brethren he wasn't invited to the combine and was never considered a pro prospect. But he seemed better than some of these clowns above so it comes down to get lost speedy honky.

    Speaking of which the get lost honky affect was at full bore when another Iowa star WR Kevin Kasper was drafted in 2001. His combine numbers are legendary. 4.44 40, 43.5 vertical, killed both the three cone and 60 yard shuttle and ripped a 3.73 20 yard shuttle which is practically impossible. Coming off a stellar senior season at Iowa with an 80-1020 stat line Kasper caught just 23 passes in his five year career. Was never given a chance to prove his worth. He was a great KR for a few years but bounced around from team to team. The caste line was in full effect back then. Such a shame. A wasted talent.
     
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    Sam McGuffie was another combine snub, who would have blown up the combine. In his college career he rushed for over 1,500 yards and had 1,200 yards receiving. He had the recruiting pedigree as well as he was a 5 star recruit. I've seen some guys get invited to the combine and all star games because they were big time recruits.

    At his pro day McGuffie ran a 4.36 40, 26 reps of 225, 42" vert, 11'02" broad jump, 3.93 short shuttle, and 6.57 3 cone. He was never really given a chance in he NFL.
     
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    Lehigh RB Dom Bragalone 5-10 228 lbs
    4.48/4.52 40
    34.5 inch vert
    124 inch broad
    4.24 20 yd shuttle

    UNC LB Cole Holcomb - 6-1 234 lbs
    4.54/4.57 40
    39.5 inch vert
     
  11. Bucky

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    Pretty damn impressive.
     
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    Yep - imagine if they had been invited to the combine - just two more overachieving lunch pail guys destroying the narrative. The NFL and the caste masters couldn't have that.
     
  13. Carolina Speed

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    I've been having trouble pulling up information on combine numbers lately! Has anyone else? Is there something going on there since we've put this on CF? Hmmm. Maybe it's just coincidence. Maybe not.
     
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    It does seem harder to track them all down CS. NFL.com used to keep track of them (only the bigger names), Walterfootball will post results too. Alot of it seems to have gone to twitter - people just post tweets - it's rather decentralized and disorganized.
     
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    "The Andy Isabella 40 yard dash mystery" case number 4357.

    To begin with the combine 40 yard dash has always been shrouded in a bit of mystery. You have scouts and analysts using their own timing devices to time the players. The event also uses a laser which we are told gives us the official time but unlike a track and field event everything seems too loose for true accuracy. That said pro day times are always adjusted to produce faster times anywhere near .04 to over one full second than a truer electronic timed 40 yard dash.

    In the past the trend was to officially lower a lot of black times, sometimes substantially, and to raise the times of white runners. It was a routine.

    That trend started to fade a few years ago but I noticed this year the trend was generally to reduce the times posted on TV after the runs by .01 seconds to reach their "official" times.

    I spent the entire Saturday home watching the combine stem to stern since it featured the QBs, WRs and TEs.

    But the moment I was waiting for the most was Andy Isabella's 40 yard dashes. I was really anticipating a fast time and rejoicing.

    So after he runs his first attempt the time listed was 4.56 seconds. Commentator Daniel Jeremiah immediately said he was faster than that but there was no follow up to that comment.

    Naturally it ruined my day and I figured the black supremacist crowd must be smugly smiling to themselves.

    I was in a daze after watching the other three white WRs run 4.5 plus times and was officially outraged at life itself.

    Maybe I figured Andy stumbled or something on his first attempt but while he improved on his second attempt to a 4.46 I still felt cheated although a touch relieved he ran in the 4.4 range even though I expected much better.

    Now it wasn't revealed until a few hours later when they listed the top official WR times did Andy's name appear at the top with a 4.31 time. Much like when Troy Apke was drafted ( earlier than anticipated) I had to do a double take to see if I heard that correctly.

    But it was true Andy shared the fastest WR time at 4.31 seconds. WOW. I thought there actually is a reason to get up in the morning after all.

    But what happened? The "official" statement was the timing device was off .25 seconds and so Andy's time was adjusted from 4.56 minus .25 to get to 4.31.

    OK sounds sort of reasonable enough except for the fact I don't recall this ever happening before and if it had it didn't occur when one of the elite speedsters was running.

    I vividly recall last year when Shaq Griffin was timed at 4.38 but it looked obvious to me they started the clock late. His subsequent 4.5 plus run pretty much sealed my suspicions. The media didn't care to pursue that line of thought as they basked in the moment or make it two hours.

    But in this case they chose the absolute worst time to bungle up a time. Which meant the commentators didn't have a chance to comment on Andy's blazing time.

    OK so it never happens but it did on Andy's run. Just a happy accident in a life full of rotten surprises.

    What about his second run? Most post notes indicate there was a problem with the timer on both of his runs. They never explain how much the timer was off on his second run. In other words it is nearly impossible, unless a player slips or gets injured that a runner goes from 4.31 to 4.46 a full 1.5 slower. So the timer must have been off on his second run too. What are the odds of that?

    Then it makes you wonder after Andy's first run why didn't the timer mess up on the very next runner. Or why did the timer get messed up on Andy's second run too despite the fact a bevy of runners ran in between his first and second run. Was Andy's timer a personal one that only could affect him and how the hell does that work?

    And why did it take so long for the "mistake" to have been found. I would have thought by his second run that the correction would have been made public and Eisen and Jeremiah and the rest of the gang would be commenting on the screw up and that Andy did run a 4.31. Actually they probably would have had to have said he ran a 4.27 or 4.28 which is the likely number that would have lit up but then again unlike the trend, Andy's official time was adjusted upward to an official 4.31?

    At the end of the day none of this adds up. Why did it happen? Was there anybody behind it? A white player runs the fastest 40 by a white player ever at the combine yet somehow the timer got screwed up?

    A lot of questions and no coherent answers.

    Was the fix in? Did the NFL or somebody sabotage Andy's run so that the he couldn't bask in the sun for that bright shining moment?

    All I know is the whole thing just doesn't add up and the media hasn't really cared to delve into the strange matter.

    Based on the evidence it does seem some funny business was at play. Too bad Columbo is dead.
     
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    When this thread began, I posted the difference in the Nike combine scores between Wake Forest RB's Cade Carney and Matt Colburn. I won't review the numbers, but Carney's were way better than Colburn's, yet the fact that Colburn ever made it to WF is insane. His 4.7 forty if he were white would have never been even sniffed at! Shortly after I posted this, I looked up information on Carney and Caste Football thread on combines popped up. I also posted Ryan Nall's ridiculous combine scores for a man his size, compared to Elijah Hoods.! Ever since then I have not been able to pull up combine scores on NFL Draft Scout. Can someone here try and see if they can? I think something's suspicious is happening because we're bringing light to this subject. Am I exaggerating, or could this be happening? Someone here try and look up Nall's combine scores on NFL Draft Scout to see if you have the same problem. I currently have no way of doing this anymore. Can someone help me?
     
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    I am unable to access Draft Scout which is apparently a name change from NFL Draft Scout, which I also tried. It keeps saying it's timed out. The same thing happened several days ago.

    There must be something wrong with the site.
     
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    https://footballmaven.io/nfldraftscout/

    That is what the site is now.
     
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    My experience is the NFL Combine site does have all the workout numbers of individual players. I haven't noticed a change in that regard.

    As for the pro days the result information does seem less centralized this go around especially when trying to garner information on less publicized players.

    Walter Football covers the bigger schools and some smaller schools as well but it takes them a few days to post and their website is a bear. Takes forever to load a page. Even so their information is often incomplete.

    Since Twitter seems to be a big avenue of communication these days I would suggest looking up college football twitter pages for info which is how I found out about Scott Miller's blazing 40 yard dash time today.

    I have tried in vain to see the results of WRs Flynn Nagel (Northwestern) and Jesper Horsted (Princeton). Surprised that a school like Northwestern's pro day has been ignored as far as I can tell. Not even sure Nagel ran the 40.

    Fairly certain Horsted did though I couldn't find anything.

    It is curious why it is so difficult to obtain pro day stuff now. Maybe part of the reason is players like Scott Miller who show off their electrifying speed. The Combine it seems to me goes out of it's way not to invite a player like Miller who they know damn well would light up the 40 yard dash.

    I agree that the Gil Brandt website has over focused on "fast" black pro day times the past several years. After seeing Brandt in public ( he looks feeble and ancient) I tend to doubt he is the one posting on his website. Brandt had been the main source for years up until recently.
     
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    It's clearly harder to find combine and pro day numbers. Could it be that the powers that be decided that t00 many whites were doing well and challenging their narrative that whites are poor athletes? So perhaps they are repressing the information.

    Is this idea paranoid? Maybe not in a world where anti-white racism is part of our culture and is taught in schools.
     
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    I wanted to do a comparison of what is considered the top back in the draft Josh Jacobs and Dominick Bragalone of Lehigh. Jacobs did nothing at the combine and Bragalone wasn't invited. So we have to go off of their pro day results.

    Jacobs is 5'10" 220, ran 4.63 40, 112" broad, 18 reps of 225.

    Bragalone is 5'10" 228, ran a 4.48 40, 122" broad, 31 reps of 225, 34.5" vert, 4.24. short shuttle, 6.95 3 cone.

    I couldn't find the results of the other drills for Jacobs he may have not done them. Another factor to consider is the results I found for Bragalone were done at a NFL regional combine and I believe they use lasers. If Jacobs ran with a laser you could add .05 to his time which would put him around a 4.68.

    Jacobs has rushed for 1,491 yards in his career and 16 TD's. His best season was last season where he ran for 640 yards and 11 TD's. Bragalone has rushed for 4,324 yards and 46 TD's in his career. But I will give Jacobs he has played at a bigger level of football. To be at such a bigger school one would think Jacobs had a better high school career or he played better competition in high school than Bragalone. But that's just not the case. Bragalone rushed for 4,704 yards and 64 TD's his Senior Season at South Williamsport High School in Pennsylvania. The rushing yardage is the second most of All Time by someone in a single season in the entire country. Bragalone did play Class A ball in high school and I will admit after watching his highlight tape from high school the competition wasn't the greatest. But Jacobs didn't play at the best High School either. He played at McLarin Science and Tech High School in Oklahoma. In his Senior year maxpreps (who ranks every high school football team in the country) had McLarin ranked 69th in Oklahoma and 3,502 in the country. While South Williamsport in Bragalone's Senior year was ranked 59th in Pennsylvania and 1,560 in the country. After watching Jacob's high school tape it's clear he didn't play top notch competition either. But Jacobs ended up at the top football school in the country and Bragalone couldn't even play FBS football. In saying all of this Jacobs could turn out to be fine player in the NFL. But no white RB with his measurables and accolades would be considered a first round pick or get to play at Alabama. It is demonstrated by Bragalone who is superior every step of the way but has not received the same opportunity Jacobs has.
     
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    dolphins15, this is the kind of post that this thread (and the Caste System) is all about. when it’s laid out so clearly in black and white, it shows how obvious the agenda is. it, too, is as clear as Black (privileged) and White (actively ignored/rejected).
     

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