Superbowl XLVI

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  1. sport historian

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    Yes. You lose a game by what happened in the first quarter as much as by what happens in the last two minutes of the game.
     
  2. Woody

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    I agree with everything said here. You can't lose your #1 offensive weapon (Besides Brady) and not be much weaker. The 12 guys call really angered me as well. I was shocked that's the rule...truly unfortunate outcome all around. You can say the Giants are white-friendly, but to the DWF (and me) they appear typically black, albeit not Tampa or Pittsburgh black. Another season of Jew York defending the title is going to be grim. New England has become entirely un-clutch, truly sad.
     
  3. Woody

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    I say they lost Gronkowski b/c despite what bigunreal or anyone else says, he was CLEARLY limited and was no where near the athletic capacity he normally possesses. Essentially they had lost Gronkowski and were using a sub par TE, IMO.
     
  4. bigunreal

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    Woody,

    Gronk was wide open on a bomb (I think 3rd quarter), and Brady just refused to throw the ball until it was too late, and it was intercepted. Also, on the last play of the game, he obviously got down the field fine because he came within a hair of catching the ball.

    He was ignored all game, despite being wide open on several occasions. He was "limited" in that he appears not to have been a part of the game plan.
     
  5. GiovaniMarcon

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    It's a sickening feeling to have such high hopes and then fall short at the very end, but still, I don't think it's quite fair to dismiss Brady as not being a winner if he's led his team so far, so often.

    Many other greats never have their greatness questioned, and they've accomplished nowhere near what Brady and the Patriots have.

    Anyway, even though I'm no fan of the NY Giants, there's a silver lining in that at least Manning gets another ring, and that the Giants aren't led by a Black QB, and it's true that the Giants have a decent number of Whites who see the field.

    Not an ideal ending at all, but could have been a lot worse.
     
  6. Woody

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    He was open on that play. That does not change the fact that he was limping throughout the game and and was severely limited. If he was ignored maybe it's b/c....1) He didn't practice with the team all week (and his status for the game was uncertain and thus maybe was not a big part of the game plan). 2) He had trouble getting separation all game and thus was usually not on Brady's radar.
    I'm not trying to "blame" Gronkowski. He was injured and tried his best. But I also don't think Brady ignored his best weapon for kicks and giggles.
     
  7. dwid

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    He wasn't wide open all game. I was harsh on Brady after the game was first over but rewatching it, the throw you are referring to, Brady was running for his life, he had like 1 second before someone was in his face and then had to run to his right and then chucked it down the field, he couldn't have thrown it any earlier. So how exactly did he refuse to throw it until it was too late? Was he supposed to chuck it down the field while on his back? Or did you expect him to throw 50+ yards while he was scrambling without even trying to plant his feet? (probably closer to 60 yards since the line of scrimmage was at the Patriots 43 and intercepted at the Giants 8, and he was a good deal behind the los)

    Gronkowski was more at fault here, he should have came back to his qb when he was scrambling. When your qb is in trouble if you are deep you come back to the qb, if you are short you start to go deep, he was deep and kept going deeper instead of coming back. Brady made some mistakes but had 14 straight completions which is a Superbowl record. Gronk could run straight but couldn't chang direction very well and was not as fast as usual.

    Gronkowski had 2 catches for 26 yards and targeted 3 times, the biggest mistake was the coaching. With Gronkowski not taking up double teams and Welker getting most of the coverage, they should have left Woodhead in, he was doing great in the 1st half.

    Brady did take a big hit and seemed to be a bit rattled after that, I think his left shoulder.
     
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  8. Don Wassall

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    No black QBs in the playoffs, lots of our White stars did well, keep it in perspective. . . it wasn't an ideal ending, but of all the possible playoff scenarios and possible Super Bowl matchups and endings, this one overall was one of the better ones as far as I'm concerned. Yes, Manningham's catch will be replayed over and over, but what will be remembered most of all is that Eli Manning solidified himself as one of the all-time great NFL quarterbacks. And secondarily, Tom Coughlin is now one of the all-time great coaches.
     
  9. The Hock

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    This play goes your way. That play doesn't. In the end a solid reliable defense can make up for mistakes, and New England doesn't have that. They couldn't hold the lead, couldn't even limit the Giants to a field goal. In the end that as much as anything is what bit the Patriots in the ass.

    This game wasn't the caste buster I had hoped for. Gronkowski limited, Edelman not playing, Welker not making the play on that pass. Danny was money when he got the chance, though. Like the Packers three weeks ago the Pats didn't play their best game. I think Brady played himself out of the G.O.A.T. conversation, at least for the time being.

    I'm disappointed.

    I'm swearing off NFL football till September.
     
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  10. foobar75

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    In some strange way, I'm not too broken up about this outcome. Maybe because this wasn't an outright caste match-up, with a quotaback/black coach/85% black roster on the other side, such as what we had last year.

    Gronk was not 100% which was a major factor in the game. Unfortunately, Welker's drop was a huge difference maker. Also, Brady missed a big opportunity to stamp his legacy as the best ever QB, and instead had his second subpar SB game in a row. I hope he gets one more chance and win another ring, but at 34, he's now in that age range where QBs slowly start to decline, so it needs to happen fast. He has 2-3 more years left, and the Pats are equipped to make another run, as long as they fix that lousy defense.

    As others have said, this was a great year for White players overall, and there's a good deal of positives to look forward to in 2012.

    PS Eli Manning has joined an elite company of multiple SB winning QBs. He has a good 5-7 years left to build up his resume and join his brother in the HOF one day.
     
  11. Don Wassall

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    Eli's taken so much undeserved crap over the years. All the vicious jokes about him being "inbred," the early proclamations that he was a "bust," criticism from DWFs and the media that he isn't a leader, his own teammates periodically saying things about him, most notably Tiki Barber but others as well. I'm really happy for him even though I was rooting big time for the Patriots to win. He prevailed over all the other big-name quarterbacks for the second time in five seasons. Enough can't be said about how well he played all season and through the playoffs. He truly carried the Giants on his back all the way to the championship.
     
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  12. white is right

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    We saw in this game that Hernandez isn't a tight end who can take over games like Gronk can (when he is healthy). Also there is no way Gronk was really 100 percent he probably was about 80 percent, but the other 20 percent is the difference between possibly the best tight end in the league and a mediocre starter/back up type. If he was the beast he was before the injury the Pats probably win this game.

    If Eli Manning had the physical presence of his brother the criticism would be much less, but when he removes his shirt he doesn't really look any more physically imposing than your average guy his age who has a similar frame size, couple that with his southern demeanor and he was always going to be fodder for WFAN and 1050 ESPN talk show callers. Ps I wish Hysnoski was the short yardage back for the Giants, Jacobs seems to have lost a gear and doesn't hit the holes like he did 3 to 4 years ago. Hysnosk could do the same role and be safety valve at a cheaper price than Jacobs can and would be more of a team player who wouldn't complain about touches.
     
  13. Highlander

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    Although I'm glad for Woodhead and what he accomplished, it could've and should've been much more. He was a big factor on their first TD drive and always seems to be a step or two from taking it all the way. Although Lawfirm can sometimes or often get 4,5,6...9 yards a carry, he's not really a threat to bust it all the way like Danny is...and Danny is more effective as a receiver out of the backfield.

    Lawfirm would never have been able to get the receiving TD that Danny got today. Never. Thus, by playing Lawfirm more than Danny, they are limiting their offensive weapons and chances of winning the game. Belichick should be smart enough to realize this.

    And those commercials showing the diversified yet totally individualized and isolated youth jumping around together and partying mindlessly to the so-called "music" are going to be in for a wake-up call here pretty soon with the coming world events or probable domestic false-flag attacks on the horizon, especially now that Pakistan (another nuke country) just came out and said they would retaliate if Iran is attacked. Or maybe they already know this and that's why they are dancing and partying like it's 2012.
     
  14. Don Wassall

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    There was a commercial early on where a White man is driving his pickup truck through a post-apocalpyse urban landscape, and later meets up with a couple other White men who are driving pickups. I couldn't pick up on what they were saying as it was too loud where I was at the time, but it appears to be another "light-hearted" way for the system to prepare the sheeple for a possible WWIII. Jeep had a similar commercial a year or so ago.
     
  15. foobar75

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    I finally saw Tom Brady during his post-game comments (in one of several versions of SportsCenter that's been running all night), and he looked completely devastated. I have seen him speak after other losses, but nothing like this. The look on this face and his demeanor told the whole story. I really hope he can win one more to properly conclude his legacy, and not go out this way.

    I also heard Welker was in tears and inconsolable about his missed catch. It's true that the ball was not perfectly thrown, but football being a game of inches, and Welker having made hundreds of tough catches over the years, you simply have to make that play. Eli's receivers have made two unbeliavable catches now in consecutvie SBs, and if Welker makes that play, the Pats probably score a TD and seal the deal. Instead, Eli is now a 2-time champion (nothing wrong with that, of course).

    I'm happy for Woodhead who had a solid game, and should've been utilized more. Let's hope the Pats last window of opportunity did not close tonight, and they can make one more run.
     
  16. GiovaniMarcon

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    It's probably all the more painful for the Patriots because they really could have -- maybe even SHOULD have -- had this one, but they let it slip away.

    It would probably hurt less if they got blown out, because then they would know they just got straight up outclassed, but this time, just the slightest bits of luck made the difference.

    When luck goes your way it's great, when it doesn't you relive it forever.

    I really do hope the Pats can bounce back.
     
  17. bigunreal

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    Rotoworld, in the warm afterglow of a solid Caste System victory in the Super Bowl, had seperate entries for Danny Woodhead and Wes Welker. They referred to Woodhead as "a third string caliber runner." They also concluded that the Pats would not be interested in signing Welker to a long term contract extension.

    One good thing is that Edelman was not covering Manningham, or even anywhere on the field (where they could somehow blame him) on that David Tyree-like "miraculous" catch. You know- the one Crissy instantly proclaimed would be a part of highlight reels for the next 100 years, even though he had no way of knowing if it would turn out to have any real significance at all. As it stands, the marvelous afflete covering Manningham on the play will remain, like all truly affletic DBs beaten routinely an untold number of times each game, unnamed and unnoted. But if it had been Edelman, every countless replay would have mentioned it loudly.

    I don't see any positives coming out of this Super Bowl.
     
  18. Westside

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    I am not feeling too devastated by the outcome. Woodhead almost single handly got them into a position of winning the game on the last drive(which he was instrmental) of the first half. Scoring the TD to go up 10 to 9 in a very competive game. There great plays by our guys on both sides. No matter what our respected poster Bigunreal attempts to "imply".

    As stated last night those 3 big drops or failure to catch difficult balls by Welker, Branch and Hernandez cost the PATS the game. Plain and simple. Maybe if Gronk was a 100% and "if" the affelet doesn't make that clutch catch the PATS would have won.

    Congrats to Eli for having ice in his veins during the end of the game. But already the caste agenda is capitalizing on the Welker's misplay. Yahoo is attempting to pin the loss on him! No surpise. As we fight the caste system, led by Don, not a terrible year,many victories. Now on to basketball (I pray the Timberwolves make noise and shock the DWF country and boxing where the White fighters 160lbs and up continue dominate).
     
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  19. Westside

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    On side note which may surprise some. I had no problem with Madonna. She is a White woman who believed in her limited voice, great athletism in dance and made a big fortune. I can honestly state, I have never seen a 50 year old woman put on a performance she did during half time. I know some of the songs were not lypscinged. Good for her. Yeah, she part timed mud sharked, but thank God she was wise enough not to have any children with them. Her 3 biological children are White. Maybe the 1st a quater latin, but no big deal. I was at a bar / resturant, where the cliente where latin and White, all were spellbound by her performance. Lets attempt to give White males and females kudos for making an impact in the entertainment industry, at least financially. Not all of her songs were crap.
     
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    Hey, me neither! (I didn't watch it.)

    I don't worship success, she sucks no matter how much she's paid.
     
  21. Tired old White

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    Ballard was the best NY Giant

    What ever the so called experts say with out Ballard the Giants would have been noncompetitive, He was Eli's work horse until he was injured. In my opinion he should have gotten the game ball. Or was I the only one to notice that Welker like Braday and Rodgers seems to prefer throwing to the white guy?
     
  22. Westside

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    Yeah Anak, neither do I but I will not tear down a fellow White who is a success, which she is. If I was a 55 year old, I would love tearing into her essence and wealth.

    I believe in Whites succeeding on all levels. Woodhead, Gerhart, Brady, Sergio Martinez, Clint Eastwood, G n R, The K Bros. and Madonna is small amounts.
     
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    I watched for the superbowl.It was entertaiming but is stopped way to much.So I went eating every time it is stopped, I would be fat if I watched it often lol.I compard it a bit to soccer and form and from caslculating seein from statistics 10 ,20 ,30 meter run pro soccer would probably run 4.8 dutch league and 4.6 in premier league( highest payed league) which is slighly faster then average nfl player? NFL players are much much stronger then soccer players who are only 170 -175lbs at average.I think nfl is very good made for west african descendants blacks with it bing stopped every time becuase on average they are the opposite of kenyans etc. From some statistic I made in the past it looks whites should be like 38% in nfl in stead of 28%.If you would make it just straight 60 minutes without stopping it could probbly rise much above 38%.I saw some very good things athletic things in the matches but also very stupid ones as for example running much to close to the outside lane, so you can be very easy closed in, except if you are realy faster with ball then everybody witout of the opponnents.
     
  24. Budmademewizer

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    That was a decent game but i hated the outcome.The Patriots white players played well at least,i was glad to see Woodhead be so important to the offense and Welker was spot on except for the drop on a hard throw.The Giants TEs looked great last night also and showed the hard nose running that whites are known for.

    Worst part for the night for me was seeing that whiney entitled bitch Eli get another ring.He is my most hated white guy in the entire league and i guess my opinion will never change.Will say however that the whining and acting like a entitled wigger did get him to a town that has sent him to 2 SuperBowls now,wonder how things would have worked out in San Diego.
     
  25. backrow

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    one very positive accent in this Super Bowl was the superb play of Chase Blackburn, who was out of work few months ago! good drive stopping tackles and a crucial interception (although Gronk probably would have had it if healthy). Congrats to him!
     
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