St. Joe Gibbs Benefits From The Fix Again

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  1. bigunreal

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    Just a month ago, the Redskins looked like they were sliding down into being one of the worst teams in the league. Then, their overrated thug safety Sean Taylor was shot and killed. Suddenly, after an inspirational speech from Taylor's father, wherein he urged the team to "win for Sean," the Redskins caught fire. They are now, according to the jock-sniffers in the media, the team no one wants to face in the playoffs. How did this remarkable turnaround come about?

    Folks, I've pontificated more than a few times on this forum about my belief that NFL games are fixed. I've watched too many Redskins' games since Joe Gibbs first became their coach, and it is very obvious to me that this guy is one of the most "chosen" individuals in the whole rigged system. Anyone who has heard this idiot talk for more than a few minutes realizes just how ignorant and non-charismatic he is. The notion that this clown is a brilliant strategist and unparalleled motivator of men is preposterous. His consistently boring speeches are meaningless enough to put a pee wee league team to sleep. He loves to say "those guys" and "kinda feel like" and manages to fit them into practically every sentence he utters. There is NO WAY this man would excel at anything unless he was being "helped."

    The Redskins have one of the worst WR corps in the NFL. Santana Moss is wildly overrated, and is sill living off his one decent season. Antwan Randle El is a glorified kick returner. Reche Caldwell? Please! Keenan McCardell? Come on! James Thrash? Doesn't even warrant a comment. And the QB who is leading this sterling group of receivers? How about a mediocre journeyman who hasn't started a game in TEN years? Yes, the one bright spot of this new twist in the script is that Jason Campbell has been shown up by a white QB. But Todd Collins? Really, that is simply unbelievable.

    I had to sit through much of the second half of today's Redskins-Cowboys game (family get together- with lots of Redskins' fans). The announcers were falling all over themselves worshiping Saint Joe Gibbs, and said many times that the Redskins are the one team no one in the NFC wants to face. They also, remarkably enough, managed to fit in some ridiculous unwarranted praise for Jason Campbell. I think it was Darryl Johnston who claimed that "Jason Campbell made remarkable strides this season." Huh? What is he talking about?

    I hope I'm wrong, but I suspect that the fixers are going to see to it that the Redskins go far in the playoffs. Right now, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them go to the Super Bowl. I wouldn't be that shocked if they won the Super Bowl. Saint Joe Gibbs is one of the most "chosen" coaches of all time. With the absurd storyline of Sean Taylor's death, and how the team rallied around that, I can actually picture them giving their late teammate the Super Bowl MVP award. But then again, I am known to be a little paranoid....
     
  2. backrow

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    oh, ffs man, not your conspiracy theories again...
    it was pretty obvious they were going to win playing Cowboys who already clinched...
    there is nothing special about Gibbs, he's a washed up coach and that's about it. certainly there's no reason for the whole game fixing scheme as far as him and Skins are involved. they won't get anywhere in the playoffs anyways.
     
  3. Matt_Bowen_Fan

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    I would think that 'they' would want the Vikes, with Tavaris Jackson and Purple Jesus to make the playoffs.[​IMG]
     
  4. Bear Backer

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    I think it is a matter of parody in the NFL that allows bad teams like the Redskins to appear to be better than they are at times. A team as bad in the Redskins should be in no way shape or form even close to being a playoff team, but such is the modern NFL with watered down teams filled with undisciplined affletes who rely more on NFL buzzwords "athleticism" or "big play potential" rather than skill.
     
  5. Matt_Bowen_Fan

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    Maybe its just that Todd Collins isn't f**king up like Jason Campbell did. He doesn't throw a pick-6 every week.
     
  6. Don Wassall

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    Collins has played very well. He's one of the big stories in the league after pretty much not playing for a decade. The combination of Collins and playing hard for their departed teammate has made the difference in Washington turning it around imo. But like backrow I don't expect them to go far in the playoffs.
     
  7. White Shogun

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    The difference in the Redskins today from a few games ago is Todd Collins.

    Some of these guys aren't given a fair shot. Others hit their stride much later in their careers. Rich Gannon comes to my mind as the premier example of this - a guy who bounced around as a backup but ended up playing superbly later in his career.

    I'm not saying Collins is the second coming of Gannon, but he is better than Campbell, imo.

    The Redskins in their last couple of games beat the Vikings, whom none of us think are that great, and the hot and cold Giants. They lost to Buffalo and Chicago? Beating Dallas who has nothing left to gain is nothing special either, although I will say this - the Cowboys aren't looking too good headed into the playoffs, even if they were playing backups for part of the game today. ONE TOTAL YARD RUSHING?? Please. Look for Green Bay in the Super Bowl.
     
  8. Jimmy Chitwood

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    i think you are right.

    you meant "parity" of course (equality, as in amount, status, or character).

    but the homonym was informative and more accurate, i think. [​IMG]
     
  9. Maple Leaf

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    Other than bribing the quarterback, how can a game get fixed?
     
  10. ToughJ.Riggins

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    Bigunreal, I don't think calling Sean Taylor an overrated thug is appropriate. The guy died a very tragic death and was known to be a role model off the field in his community. What makes you think he's a thug?

    The only thing I ever read bad about Taylor's character was when he spit in another players face after a heated verbal exchange. One mistake does not make you a thug. These players are riled up with adrenaline and testosterone in emotionally charged games. He lost his temper...so what! Is it because Taylor went to Miami U that you think he's a thug? I guess you'd have to lump Shockey in with Taylor too then? Sean Taylor is no thug.
     
  11. Don Wassall

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    He was no role model. The article below omits the pertinent fact that Taylor aimed a loaded gun at a group of people during the "dispute."
    Sean Taylor Reaches Deal to Avoid Jail


    By CURT ANDERSON
    Associated Press Writer


    MIAMI (AP) - Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor reached an agreement with prosecutors allowing him to plead no contest to a misdemeanor in the assault case against him, avoiding any jail time and the possibility of missing any of the upcoming NFL season.


    The deal calls for Taylor to be placed on 18 months' probation, give speeches about the importance of staying in school at 10 Miami-Dade County schools and make contributions of $1,000 for scholarships to each of those schools, according to attorneys familiar with the case. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because the deal had not been finalized Wednesday. A hearing was scheduled for Thursday.


    Taylor, 23, had faced a maximum of 46 years in prison if convicted on three aggravated assault charges and one misdemeanor charge stemming from a confrontation last June with a group of people in a dispute over all-terrain vehicles that Taylor owns. The trial was scheduled to start July 10.


    Under the plea deal, Taylor is pleading no contest only to the misdemeanor battery charge. If he doesn't violate probation, even that charge would be eliminated from his record, the attorneys said.


    The agreement came after the original prosecutor on the case, Michael Grieco, resigned in April after Taylor's lawyers claimed he was using the notoriety to promote his moonlighting business as a nightclub disc jockey. Grieco had posted links to news articles about the case on a personal Internet site.


    Taylor's lawyers had repeatedly questioned whether the charges were warranted and whether the victims and witnesses in the case - many of whom have criminal records - were reliable.


    Taylor, a former University of Miami standout, signed a seven-year, $18 million contract with the Redskins after he was drafted in 2004. He has six interceptions and 120 tackles in two NFL seasons, but has become almost as well-known for his troubles.


    Taylor has been fined seven times during his professional career for late hits and other infractions, including a $17,000 penalty for spitting in the face of Tampa Bay running back Michael Pittman during a January playoff game. He was also fined $25,000 for skipping a mandatory rookie symposium.


    http://www.wtop.com/?nid=293&sid=808082
     
  12. White Shogun

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    Don beat me to it.

    In addition to the assault, he was also arrested for DUI. I thought I read somewhere that he beat up his girlfriend in college, but I can't find a source right now. I might have him mixed up with any of the other myriad wife-beaters from Miami U.

    How many of your adult friends have parties with underage kids in the house? How many of your friends have people break in and leave knives in their bed? And after they're murdered, the ATF shows up and seizes the VICTIM'S home computer?

    Very odd stuff to occur around a fine upstanding citizen like Sean Taylor.

    Rigs view of Sean Taylor is why I don't watch the Teebee anymore for news. There is very little that is factual in nature to be found there.
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  13. White Shogun

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    Paying refs to call more or fewer penalties.
    Paying receivers to drop a TD pass once in a while to stay within the spread.
    Paying a player to fumble.
    Pay a kicker to miss on purpose.
    Pay the coach to call the wrong play.

    Even 'paying' wouldn't always be required. Guys may need 'help' with a gambling problem, they could be blackmailed to keep something really bad from becoming public. Refs would be the best uh, bet, imo, not quarterbacks (see the NBA.)
     
  14. bigunreal

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    I've gone over this a few times, but I'll do it again.

    I realize that maintaining NFL games are fixed is an "extremist" view, tantamount in some circles to believing the earth is flat. I didn't postulate this theory overnight; I have been faithfully (perhaps stupidly is a better word) watching these games for over 40 years now. There have been so many "highlights" over the years that helped sway me over to the dark, conspiratorial side. Here are a few that stand out:

    1965- Green Bay defeats the Colts in a special playoff game to determine the conference winner. The winning margin is provided by kicker Don Chandler, whose field goal attempt is clearly and obviously wide. The jock- sniffers used to laughingly mention the "controversy" surrounding that missed kick, but never questioned how the officials could have made such a mistake, which directly led to Green Bay winning the game (and subsequently the championship).

    1969- The "miracle" Jets defeat the heavily favored (and obviously superior) Colts in Super Bowl III. "Broadway" Joe Namath publicly guaranteed a win, as is so often breathlessly recounted by present day jock-sniffers, many of whom were children growing up in the New York area at the time. The play where Earl Morrall stood there in the pocket, after a flea-flicker call, and simply refused to see a wide-open Jimmy Orr, waving his hands in vain, is proof positive, to me at least, that the QB was in on the "fix" here. When you have a trick play like that, and the QB completely ignores the receiver the deep pass is supposed to go to (while under no pressure from the defense), what other conclusion can you draw? Interestingly, Morrall would go on to be "rewarded" as the starting QB for much of the Dolphins' undefeated season a few years later. Coach Don Shula was "rewarded" in the same manner. I believe the Colts were inside the Jets' 20 yard line something like 7 different times, without scoring any points. A few decades later, former Colt Bubba Smith would publicly declare the game had been fixed, and that he wasn't the only Colt who thought so (although no others publicly backed him up).

    1970-The Chiefs dominate the heavily favored Vikings in Super Bowl IV. While the difference in talent was not as dramatic as it was between the ridiculous Jets and the Colts, this game was another "statement" that helped the public to look upon the AFC as the equal to the older and more established NFC. It was also perhaps the opening shot of the Caste System; the Chiefs were the blackest pro football team the world had ever seen. At the time, there were virtually no black LBs in the old NFL, but the Chiefs featured 2 out of 3 starting LBs who were black. They combined that with 3 out of 4 black DBs and 3 out of 4 black defensive linemen for an almost modern-day like 8 black defensive starters. They also had no white WRs or RBs, which was unheard of then (the Chiefs would draft Ed Podolak shortly afterwards, but at this time their RB corps was all black). On the other hand, the Vikings stood in stark contrast to the Chiefs with their many white players.

    There have been numerous other examples of "fixed" games over the years; how many times were we subjected to one of Roger Staubach's miraculous "comebacks" against non- chosen teams like the Lions or Saints? How many times did we ever see a Detroit or New Orleans charge back against a chosen team like the Cowboys, Steelers or Raiders? I remember highly questionable calls leading to the two consecutive Steelers victories over the Oilers in the AFC championship game during the mid-'70s. One featured an absurd call that negated an obvious TD catch by Oiler WR Mike Renfro, which proved to be the difference in the final score. Another playoff game that stands out is the 1976 contest between the upstart Patriots and the chosen Raiders. The Patriots dominated the game, but the officiating was so one-sided, especially during a final, game winning drive by the Raiders, that fights broke out after the game. I recall the odious Matt Millen, then a LB with the Raiders, coming close to a physical altercation with the tiny son of the Patriots' owner, who had the gall to not back down to him.

    Although I suspect that at least some players know all about the fix, it really would not be necessary to involve them at all. The officials can easily determine the outcome of games with their calls and non-calls. As I have pointed out numerous times, even the jock-sniffers in the media admit that holding could be called on every play. The fact that it is only sparingly called doesn't seem to bother them. The same thing goes for pass interference, and also "illegal block to the back" during kick returns. The key is WHEN these penalties are called, and what impact they have (big gains wiped out, TDs called back).

    I don't know why it is hard to believe that the NFL would control the outcome of games. The entire structure is propped up by gambling, with their point spreads, odds makers, etc. The whole thing is ripe for fraud. We also know how the league, from its owners and general managers down to its coaches, jock-sniffing "journalists" and drunk white fans, "fixes" things against talented white players all the time. What else is it but "fixed" against Luke Staley, Cade McNown, Brock Forsey, Mike Hass, etc.? The Caste System proves that these games are not legitimate. If the NFL was an honest business, whose teams were only interested in winning games, then the general managers would select the most talented players and the coaches would play them. That doesn't happen, as every post on Caste Football attests to.

    I hope that some of you are right, and that the Redskins don't go far in the playoffs. I could also easily be wrong; if I knew with certainty how these scripts were written, then I'd be able to profit handsomely from it. I just have little doubt that, however it is done, and for whatever reason, these games are fixed.
     
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    Riggins, c'mon man. role model??? i agree there's no need to be calling him out now that he's dead, but role model? hell, no!
     
  16. Thrashen

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    Bigunreal, I think you're certainly right on many accounts.

    I'm not sure why our fellow posters decide to ridicule the NFL's "decision makers" with regards to drafts / scouting / playing time / roster spots / racial profiling.....but they suggest that there is no pressure on the Ref's when it comes to gambling (the only reason the sport in anything special)?

    I really doubt the entire league is written like a TV script (though I wouldnt be surprised), but I do think many, many games have been "fixed" through the Ref's.

    Watch Green Bay beat NE in the superbowl this year for all the proof you'll ever need. Fat-boy Jerome Bettis was "allowed" to go to the superbowl and sent off like a "true champion." Father Favre's last "hurrah" should be coming right around the corner. This ass-head (and great QB) has been the media's "chosen one" for over a decade...look for him to ride off into the sunset in a totally fixed outcome.

    Like I said, I doubt the whole NFL is fixed, but I'm positive that hundreds of important games have been.
     
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  18. PitBull

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    Look, bigunreal has a lot of reason to believe that the games are fixed,
    and I believe his argument.

    If you care to look into the amount of money gambled on NFL games in
    comparison with the TV contracts and gate receipts, the gambling money
    DWARFS the other money. If some rich guy is willing to buy a team in
    order to control the profits from the TV and gate receipts, then why don't
    you believe that some rich guy(s) would buy off players, coaches, and
    officials to control gambling profits as well? It makes no sense to believe
    that games aren't fixed. All the monetary rewards are in favor of fixing,
    not letting things play out.

    It also makes sense when you think about why blacks are being shoveled
    into just about every position possible, especially ignorant ones with
    criminal backgrounds, like Sean Taylor--they are much more likely to
    throw games because they have compromised backgrounds and no future
    outside of organized professional sports.

    Look, its very important to keep the average dumb white fan thinking that
    the sports they hold so dear are on the up and up. If they ever really
    believed that the games were fixed, they wouldn't go to the games, watch
    the games on TV, or bet on the games at all. All the money is made off of
    the illusion of integrity, which is something that professional sports has
    almost nothing of whatsoever. And absolutely everything is done to
    suppress any stories linking game-fixing to professional sports.Edited by: PitBull
     
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    Also, in relation to White Shogun's point about compromised players with
    gambling debts being able to throw games, you should see all the
    connections between organized crime and professional athletes. Gambling,
    strip/prostitution clubs/, illegal PED's, and illegal narcotics are all things
    that professional athletes are swimming in that are associated with
    organized crime, yet for some reason people won't make the connections.
     
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    PitBull,

    Great point about there being no integrity in modern sports. Why anyone here, at least, would give the corrupt Caste System overlords any credit for being honest or upright in any way, shape or form is beyond me.

    Think about how many young men-black or white-would revolt against the dream occupation of professional football player, if they knew the games were fixed. Would any of you? Let's see- you're still going to make hundreds of thousands of dollars, at the bare minimum, and if you last three years in the NFL you qualify for a pension that is superior to just about any you can find in the normal working world (not to mention finding any after working only three years). Throw in the priceless fringe benefits- the most gorgeous females in our society throwing themselves at you daily and every male peer worshiping you- and you have a job that is only rivaled by the most successful stars of the entertainment world.
    Would any of us turn down this kind of job because we knew the outcomes of games were scripted beforehand?

    There wouldn't be any need to threaten a player into silence- what motive would anyone have to blow the whistle on the fix? That's assuming, of course, that you'd have anywhere to go with your whistle, which you wouldn't. Every mainstream media outlet would ignore you, because they are a crucial part of the whole corrupt mess. They'd probably report you to the mobsters that enforce the Caste System.

    Professional sports are run by criminals who don't merely micromanage their rosters to ensure "diversity" (i.e., little to no white players), but manipulate the scores in order to achieve the desired results. At the very least, this means more profits through betting on the point spreads they also control, and probably involves other twisted motives that frankly I can't begin to understand.

    I know that my view is a truly "extremist" one, and I appreciate Caste Football for giving us all the opportunity to express ourselves.
     
  21. PitBull

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    bigunreal,

    You are right on-the-dot about media censorship. If anybody thinks the
    media doesn't engage in wholesale censorship across the board, I have only
    two words for you:

    Ron Paul.
     
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    Okay, I'm happily eating crow. I am always happy to be wrong on my Saint Joe Gibbs predictions. But I remain firmly convinced that it's all fixed. Just now, I watched Maurice Jones-Drew plod his way on a long kickoff return against the Steelers. I counted at least three illegal blocks and/or holding by the Jaguars during the return. No penalty called. No remarks by the jock-sniffers on the illegal blocks being made right in front of them. I just can't consider these games as anything but scripted.
     

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