Ryan Nall

Discussion in 'Chicago Bears' started by Don Wassall, May 15, 2018.

  1. Truthteller

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    You are correct, EP. We know Ryan Nall was bigger (taller and heavier) than Kareem Hunt and had a better broad jump at the Combine. So Nall is bigger and faster than Hunt (4.58 vs. 4.62 in Indy). Hunt put up 3 more reps on the 225lb bench press and had a slightly better vertical leap. However, Nall was one of the top performers (among running backs) in the shuttles and 3-cone. According to Pro Football Reference, Hunt did not participate in these drills? I wonder why? Actually, I guess the shuttles are irrelevant, based on how each fared as NFL rookies?

    Also, theoretically, all-things being equal, Nall should have had a decided edge over Hunt due to the fact that he played in the PAC-12, while Hunt played at some mediocre, mid-major school that draws no fans week-to-week. Think A.J. Oulette, who played at a similar school, will be given the same chances as Hunt? I doubt it. As it's obvious the system is "rigged" in the NFL at running back, wide receiver and all defensive positions.

    Here are the amazing stats by the "running backs" that Chicago kept over Nall: Bennie Cunningham (12 rushes 22 yards in 2018) and Taquan Mizzell (10 rushes 15 yards in 2018). Don't forget, not only did Nall lead the NFC in rushing yards during the Preseason, he led the Bears in tackles by a non-defensive player, proving he should've got a spot based on "special teams" coverage alone over Mizzell.


    Below are the "Scouting Reports" from the repulsive Lance Zierlein. One player is bigger, faster and played at a higher level. But his write up is much different than the smaller, slower player? Is it hard to guess which player is white and which is black?

    DRAFT PROJECTION PLAYER A: Round 3

    BOTTOM LINE: Big back with plus vision and enough elusiveness to make the first defender miss. Feel for the rushing lane helps him choose the correct path between the tackles but lacks the burst to turn the 4-yard run into 14. Zone-scheme runner with serviceable hands out of the backfield. Adequate in most areas and has talent to become a backup that can step in and handle a bigger load if needed. -Lance Zierlein


    DRAFT PROJECTION PLAYER B
    : Priority Free Agent


    BOTTOM LINE/Overview: Is a "get what's blocked" runner who struggles to access the agility or burst needed to work outside the tackles. Does offer a fairly decisive downhill option with good vision who sees the hole and will hit it without dancing. Once he gets up a head of steam, Is able to finish with some power, but gaining the head of steam is challenging for him at times. May offer some short yardage potential, but it wouldn't be shocking to see a team try and convert him to a fullback or H-back in the pros. -Lance Zierlein


    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/kareem-hunt?id=2557917
    https://www.nfl.com/prospects/ryan-nall?id=32462018-0002-5602-3398-489802ebbc60

    P.S.: Hunt might be a terrible person, but I must admit, he's been much better than Lance Zierlein predicted. Much more impactful and explosive than the phony scout predicted. If you look at his NFL.com write up, it appears Zierlein doesn't even know what he's talking about. Luckily for Hunt he got a fair chance to prove himself, something Nall was never afforded.
     
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  2. Leonardfan

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    Just adding onto Truthtellers post - I have seen several mock drafts projecting the bears to draft an rb. No mention of Nall whatsoever. It will be interesting to see what Rodent Nagy does next week at the position.
     
  3. Truthteller

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    Leonardfan, here's the good news for Nall: According to Ourlads.com he's currently one of only four running backs on the Bears roster and one of the other tailbacks is Taquan Mizzell , who had 10 rushes, 15 yards in 2018. Even the white blocking fullback (Burton), who never touched the ball (except for fumble recoveries), is gone this season? Also, thanks to trades the Bears only have five picks: 3rd, 4th, 5th and two 7th rounders. Newly signed receiver/returner Cordarrelle Patterson, who played a limited role at running back for the Patriots, could also get carriers?

    So, theoretically, Nall is in a decent spot, for now, particularly if Chicago does not draft a RB in round 3 or 4? That said, expect them to pick at least one RB in the draft and they could sign several RB's as UFA's? However, looking back to last year's depth chart, the Bears had only five RB's and a fullback on July 1st. Nall was the only one of that group that Rodent Nagy did not play in 2018, even though he led the NFC in rushing yards during the Preseason,.

    Will be interesting to see how this plays out. My guess, is Nall's best case scenario would be to make the 53 man roster as a 4th running back/full time special teamer and occasional fullback. From there he can hope injuries or poor play by the others will give him a chance. I guess I'm saying he'd need to go the Peyton Hillis route to start off? Or possibly even the Rex Burkhead route, except Rex never dabbled at fullback, like Peyton did early in Denver.

    Here are some links:

    Very confident Nall is still happy he signed with the Bears. Claims they wanted him at running back not TE or FB? https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/12-spor...akes-good-use-of-time-on-bears-practice-squad

    Bears insider (Brad Biggs) doesn't see Nall moving to FB or TE, thinks he's a long shot to make the 53 man roster? https://www.chicagotribune.com/spor...s-daniels-ryan-pace-biggs-20190410-story.html

    Mel Kosher Jr. finds Bears savior...5'7" Golem from noted "superpower" Florida Atlantic, "who didn’t run well at the combine"? https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019...-chicago-bears-running-back-devin-singletary/


    Here are the Combine stats for the 5'7", Florida Atlantic running back that Mel Kosher Jr. just loves and projects in round 3. I assume, if he was white with those measurables, he'd have played at a mediocre Division II school, at best. And would not even be allowed to try-out for an NFL team, if he were white, with his size/speed ratio? https://www.fantasypros.com/2019/03/rookie-scouting-report-running-back-devin-singletary/
     
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  4. Truthteller

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    RB Ryan Nall 6-2, 232 lbs Undrafted, Released after he Led NFL in YPC average Pre-Season & Led NFC total rush yards Pre-Season

    40 Yard Dash Combine: 4.58
    Vertical Jump Combine: 33.0
    Broad Jump Combine: 122.0
    Bench Press Combine: 15
    3 Cone Drill Combine: 6.95
    20 Yd Shuttle Combine: 4.16
    60 Yd Shuttle Combine: 11.57
    Hand Size at Combine: 10 1/2"

    RB David Montgomery 5-10 222 lbs, 3rd Round Pick by Bears; Fans and media expecting him to start at running back as a rookie.

    40 Yard Dash Combine: 4.63
    Vertical Jump Combine: 28.5
    Broad Jump Combine: 121.0
    Bench Press Combine: 15
    3 Cone Drill Combine: --
    20 Yd Shuttle Combine: --
    60 Yd Shuttle Combine: --
    Hand Size at Combine: 9 1/4"

    RB Devin Singletary 5-7 203 lbs, Former Florida Atlantic player, 3rd Round Pick by Bills, selected right after Montgomery.

    40 Yard Dash Combine: 4.66
    Vertical Jump Combine: 35.0
    Broad Jump Combine: 117.0
    Bench Press Combine: 15
    3 Cone Drill Combine: 7.32
    20 Yd Shuttle Combine: 4.4
    60 Yd Shuttle Combine: --
    Hand Size at Combine: 8 1/2"

    RB Alexander Mattison 5-11 221 lbs, Former Boise State player, 3rd Round Pick by the Minnesota Vikings

    40 Yard Dash Combine: 4.67
    Vertical Jump Combine: 35.0
    Broad Jump Combine: 127.0
    Bench Press Combine: 22
    3 Cone Drill Combine: 7.13
    20 Yd Shuttle Combine: 4.29
    60 Yd Shuttle Combine: 11.69
    Hand Size at Combine: 9 1/8"



    Best Workout Results Among Four Players Listed Above
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    Best 40 Yard Dash Combine: Nall
    Best Vertical Jump Combine: Singletary/Mattison
    Best Broad Jump Combine: Mattison
    Best Bench Press Combine: Mattison
    Best 3 Cone Drill Combine: Nall
    Best 20 Yd Shuttle Combine: Nall
    Best 60 Yd Shuttle Combine: Nall
    Biggest Hands Size Combine: Nall
    Longest Arm/Length Combine: Nall
    Height/Tallest at Combine: Nall
    Weighed Most at Combine: Nall


    https://www.nfl.com/prospects/ryan-nall?id=32462018-0002-5602-3398-489802ebbc60
    https://www.nfl.com/prospects/david-montgomery?id=32194d4f-4e48-7374-a044-7fb197b6b501
     
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  5. white lightning

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    Ryan Nall needs to wake up. If he is going to get any chance to play in the nfl he needs to get out of Chicago. It's a crime what the team has done to a kid that led the nfl in rushing
    during the preseason last year. Anyone that can't see how unfair this is has to be blind and naive. Learn from this Mr. Nall. Request for the team to let you go and try to earn your
    way onto another team. If they believed in you they wouldn't be drafting running backs. Get out of Chicago a.s.a.p. Your career depends on it!
     
  6. Extra Point

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    These stats really put things into perspective.
     
  7. NolanCromwell

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    It isn't about measurables. It isn't about production. It's about color pure and simple. These guys need someone, anyone in a position of influence (media, ownership, coaching, players) either challenging the system or exposing the hypocrisy. Unless we can stem the tide of systemic conditioning of DWF's and can identify a whistleblower to carry the banner it's unlikely we will see a seismic shift in NFL opportunity/ improved perception of white athletes for some time to come.
     
  8. Truthteller

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    Good points, men. Nolan C., you are correct. One group you left out is agents. For every big time agent that attracts multiple top draft prospects each year, there are dozens of small-time agents that can only haul in a few "long shot" prospects each spring, hoping they can hit the "jackpot" with the next Adam Thielen. Most of these aspiring agents are also lawyers and are no doubt privy to lots of insider NFL info from their trusted clients, including the anti-white bias. While Tom Condon types make untold millions each year representing "star prospects", a large percentage of agents can barely pay basic expenses. You wonder, at some point, if a group of these small time agents don't use their law degrees to try to at least attempt to bring some sort of lawsuit forward in some rural part of Kentucky or West Virginia, or wherever? Suing the NFL might be their only chance to actually make some money from the racist sports league. Goodness knows, this site alone has more than enough info regarding all the racial bias whites face to help their cause. I know it will likely never happen, but who really knows how things will play out down road?

    As far as players that would come forward and claim they faced racial discrimination in the NFL, I know of at least one that was a notable player. Two years ago SI.com did a long story on the plight of white cornerbacks, while many Cucked and Jived and didn't want to acknowledge the truth, former Ohio State Dustin Fox flat out stated his race cost him an NFL career, claiming he was natural cornerback, forced to safety. Fox also stated it still really bothers him a lot today. They also tracked down the freaky fast Donnie Lisowski* that made a strong run at making the Seahawks roster earlier this decade. He was weird, seeming very happy and confident he absolutely proved himself as a NFL player, but not real upset he was cut repeatedly? As I recall, everyone agreed (even black Seahawks DB's) he was a legit NFL talent, but his inevitable "racial cleansing" was justified/Kosherized due to his lack of size. A crafty lawyer might go back in time and check the sizes of all other cornerback's Seattle has had under Pete Carroll?

    Make no mistake, it would be tough to win any case. The logistics would be hard to overcome and most would be terrified just taking the case. Might have to be a liberal Jewish lawyer (Alan Dershowitz type), really desperate for money. And Fox is clearly an outlier, admitting his plight. Most would be scared to simply speak up. Example, in the SI.com article they went back and found the last white corner that was hyped as a potential first rounder -- Tory Nixon, who was drafted early in round 2 by Washington, but never got much of a chance. Nixon, however, now makes millions as the CEO of a bank, so he clearly wanted to stay away from controversy and didn't talk much about any foul play against him. Weird thing is, Nixon was crying and complaining like a five year old denied his Halloween candy when the Redskins royally screwed him over in 1985: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1985-11-03-sp-4092-story.html


    As far as Nall leaving the Bears, the first link I added in post #28 has a recent article about him. He still believes the Bears are the only team that will give him a shot at running back. That's how bleak things are for the young man from Oregon. Nothing he can do can make NFL teams take notice. Last season, NFL teams could've signed him, compensation free, at any point during the season. None did, not even in the final weeks when several teams were totally ravaged by injuries?

    He stars in the PAC-12 getting great praise from Mike Leach and others, but that's not good enough. He goes to the Combine and performs like a typical NFL third round pick, he's not athletic enough. He Led NFL in YPC average Pre-Season & Led NFC total rush yards Pre-Season, that's not impressive enough. He goes out and leads the Bears in Pre-season special teams tackles and gets enormous praise from Bears broadcaster Pat Mannelly, a longtime long snapper and special teams expert, and he's beat out for the bottom roster/special teams spots by a pair no-bodies who combined had 22 carries for less than 38 yards?

    * https://seattle.sbnation.com/2012/5/18/3028593/odeas-donny-lisowski-gets-shot-at-seahawks-roster
     
  9. white lightning

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    There are 3 teams that might take a chance on Ryan Nall.

    1st would be the Vikings. They wanted to sign Zach Zenner but he turned down their offer to stay in Detroit.
    Foolish of him if you ask me and Zenner is a very smart guy but probably lacks in the common sense department.
    They had Gerhart in the past and are a relatively fair team in their treatment towards our guys.
    So that would be my first phone call if I was Nall.

    2nd would be the Tampa Bay Bucs. They had Mike Alstott for many years. Yes it was a long time
    ago but he is one of the most popular players ever to play there. Nall would immediately bring back
    memories of Alstott and they seem to be getting a little more fair towards our guys.

    3rd would be the Patriots. They have had Danny Woodhead and now Rex Burkhead. Why wouldn't they take a chance on a 3rd running back? It's a no brainer. Heck maybe he should even
    reach out to the Pats first.

    Heck to be honest we could even add the Carolina Panthers. They drafted and play Christian McCaffrey and Nall could be a power back to compliment Cmac!
     
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  10. Truthteller

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    WL, you make some good points. The Patriots 3rd round pick from Alabama, who was undoubtedly picked to push Rex Burkhead, also has very similar Combine numbers* to Nall. Factor in that Ryan is 4 inches taller and much weighs more, plus was beyond stellar in shuttles and cones at his Combine, and you can say Nall and Damien Harris had very similar Combine showings. Nonetheless, again, Harris was picked in round 3; Nall went undrafted? Fact is, when the Patriots were hit by a rash of injuries last season they could've acquired Nall, compensation free. Instead, they moved wide receiver Cordarelle Patterson to tailback briefly and waited to the next draft to burn a 3rd round pick on a smaller version of Nall?

    In fairness to the Pats, they are already taken a lot flack from anti-white racists in the media, social justice warriors and other losers for being "too white", which is laughable when you look at their defense. I guess the anger stems from the fact that they've started 2 or 3 white white receivers, plus allowed Burkhead to thrive in postseasons? With that, there must've been a lot of pressure on Belichick not to touch Nall last season in fear he might make the other 31 teams look bad again?

    Vikings might be a better chance this upcoming season, considering they went after Zach Zenner. But like the Patriots, they used a 3rd round pick on a running back. Vikings pick is much slower and stiffer than Nall. Unless he (Mattison) is injured, you can out right forget Nall heading to Minnesota. Zenner should've signed with the Vikings and joined his workout partner/best friend (among NFL players) Adam Thielen.

    Panthers GM that drafted McCaffery fled to the Giants last season. Outside of the Patriots, that was were (New York) I was hoping Nall would wind up. Giants had a lot of injuries at the spot and never bothered to bring him in as a rotational backup goy?

    What else can be said? Nall might be the best example, this decade, of an absolutely egregious victim of the Caste system. Only a total fool or anti-white racist troll could not see this.


    * https://www.nfl.com/prospects/damien-harris?id=32194841-5231-1469-57ad-03c4e9f5e495
     
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  11. Old Scratch

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    From what I'm seen the idiotic Bears fans barely think he's practice squad material because he's "not an NFL athlete." I don't know how they came to this conclusion because his measurables are near elite especially for his size, except for his 40 which is still better than Leveon Bells. He had a better 20 yard shuffle than Bell and McCaffrey. Bell only beat him in the 3 cone, but Nall's time was still good. His best attributes though are his patience and vision, the same attributes that allow Leveon Bell to shine. Nall though, not an NFL caliber athlete, Bell a franchise tag caliber player, HONK HONK.
     

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