I'm surprised that so many CF and Amren posters still have a positive attitude towards Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage. Sure, Limbaugh showed some guts on the Black QB issue, and, when he first hit the scene, his forthright mockery of black and leftist sacred cows was refreshing, but...come on...the guy has shown over the last 15 years that he is a fervent supporter of the Bush family, the New world order, "Free" (actually managed) international trade, NAFTA/GATT, the Welfare State, affirmative action, "Civil Rights", centralization, Israel, and endless wars for "peace" "democracy" and "freedom". And he is not a strong pro-lifer, and not a family values guy (what is he up to now--his 4th wife?). Nor has he ever shown any sympathy towards States rights or Southerners. And has he been a strong foe of illegal immigration? If nowadays he occasionally indulges in anti-immigration rhetoric, this is just a temporary reaction to the arrogant immigrant protesters we saw last summer, and a sop to his listeners. It's time for anybody who's remotely conservative--or libertartian, or patriotic--to turn off Rush. As for Michael Savage (real name: Weiner?), I'll admit he's good and consistent on immigration--and that his over the top rants can be entertaining---but on Foreign policy he follows the strict neo-con, Israel uber-alles partyline.