"Rocket" Ramil Guliyev 9.97 and 19.88 (World Champion 2017 over 200 meters)

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  1. RPope71

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    DQ'd in Russia today, while Yepshin raninjured.

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  2. white lightning

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    That is crazy. The two best sprinters in the race both disqualified. The Meet should have just lined them up again. It's not a championship and the people come to see fast times. Smirnov is a 200 guy nad Yepishin is just old, hurt and has been getting slower for several years now. The people wanted to see Collins vs Guliyev. I hope Ramil can get at least one more race in before the World Junior Championships. He needs the work.
     
  3. jacknyc

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    Ramil is running the 200m at the World University Games. I don't know why he didn't run the 100m there.
    He won his quarter final heat. Let's hope he show's us something tomorrow.
     
  4. albinosprint

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    that boy needs to be in the 100, WTF? I hope he is heading to Berlin and runs the 100 there.
     
  5. white is right

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    He did he just set a Euro junior record in the deuce at 20.04. He is a tenth away from breaking the world record held by Bolt.
     
  6. StarWars

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    YES!!!! Sub 20 baby
     
  7. The Master

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    There is something strange with that guy, he was a good sprinter there is one or two years ago with good time but not exceptional, I remember him finishing 7th in 21'00 when Lemaître became World champion.

    I also remember him doing a honest 20'66 (His last year PB) in Beijing and this year, and after only 11 month, he cut 6 tenth to his PB which is the most incredible progress in the story of athletics at that level of performance. He was a good sprinter and he became in 11 month the second best junior ever just at 11 hundredth to Bolt.

    For the 100 it's the same analysis.

    You guys don't hesitate to talk about doping use when it's black guys, I have some doubts about Ramil Guliyev.

    When I compare with Lemaitre normal progress (20'68 and 10'17) I find something disturbing.

    I hope I'm wrong.

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  8. kre08

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    You're right it's impossible to ignore the drop in times jphoenix001, I imagine it's the first thing that came to a lot of posters minds when they became aware of the HUGE drop in times, I think there is a good chance he's on something, but keep in mind he is still rail skinny and I mean RAIL skinny. I think the times are amazing he is putting up regardless if he is doping. Such an unusually high amount of black sprinters use drugs and an incredibly low amount of white sprinters are caught or even suspected of cheating. These clean white sprinters are then expected to compete with blacks who blatantly cheat. If Ramil is doping, which he may or may not be, it still proves that when our best cheat, they are at and above the elite of the elite of cheating black sprinters. This also was shown by the Athens gold medal winner in the 200m that was white and caught doping. He's the only white cheater that I happen to know of.
     
  9. jacknyc

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    20.04 to win the WOrld University Games 200m.
    He's for real!
     
  10. The Master

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    mistake sorry [​IMG]


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    His time on 60 m :

    2008 : 6'70
    2009 : 6'66

    It's almost the same so he won 6 tenth in the "last" 140 m, that's amazing in 11 months.

    But maybe I'm just jealous beacuse my favourite is Lemaitre !! [​IMG]




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  12. jacknyc

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    It's not unusal for very young sprinters to improve in big leaps as their bodies mature, and they begin to train at a world class level.
    These kind of improvements come at the ages of 18 to 21 or 22. After that improvements should be much smaller.
    When it comes to PEDs I look for guys or girls who have become exceptionally muscular, and have made big improvements in their times after already having been established in the sport, i.e., are 22 yrs old or more.
    Ramil is very young and very skinny. I don't suspect him of PEDs (of course one never really knows).
    I do think he will be sub-10 and sub-20 in a year or less.
    Regarding the 60m times - he is very tall, so it would take him longer to get up to full speed than shorter sprinters. Also, if he hasn't competed a lot indoors then he hasn't had a chance to improve his 60m times. PEDs aren't magic pills. They just allow your body to train at a higher intensity. I don't think popping some PEDs after the indoor season to now would have much of an impact. So I'm guessing he's OK>
     
  13. The Master

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    6 tenth at that level no, that's unique, or find me an example.

    That's the kind of progress you have at 14 or 15 max, not at 19, but anyway he will be for sure the first white sub-10 in regular condition and if he continue at that rythm maybe the first human sub-9 and sub-19[​IMG]
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  14. albinosprint

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    I'll give you this, it smells fishy, but we don't know how many meets he competed in in past seasons. nor do we know how serious he was taking it. I'll give him this, 20.67 is flying for a 17 yr old. so he always had the talent. also the fact that he is built like a long distant runner pretty much proves to me he not even on creatine. I'll tell you how he dropped 6 tenths, he shaved his head. have you seen him with the metal death pony tail? the f**king hair cut alone shows me he me more serious about his times. this kid is the real deal, and he will break 10! let just hope he doesn't crack from the pressure. Edited by: albinosprint
     
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    Yes I remember the tail he used to have, but he was shaved last year also and did more 200m races than Lemaitre for example (he did the olympic games not the french guy) but your explication was funny [​IMG]...

    You know there is a lot of doping technics, for example, autotransfusion, that does not make you bigger or the use of salbutamol which is a drug for ashmatic people. Did you know than 87% of the sprinters in Atlanta Olympic games used that medication for asthma (there is just 2,7% of asthmatic people in the world).

    I was so happy for him when he did 20'42 and 10'08 but 20'04 it's out of this world.

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    Remember,a lot of competitionsonly test the 3 medalists. They feel it's a waste of money to test those who don't place.The non-finalists don't get tested as much as the Bolt's, Powell's, and Gay's of the world.

    That being said, the Russians areBY FAR, the dirtiest country. It's not even close.They currently have *29* track &amp; field athletes currently under suspension for doping.The Bulgarians have 6, Italians5, and Greeks 4,whileJamaica has 1, and Great Britian has none.

    Sanctioned Athletes

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  17. white is right

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    Barring injuries he will crack 10 and 20 seconds. Just because of his flat 20 ability, he is about as close to a lock at breaking 10 as any white prospect has been in the history of sprinting.
     
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    I think that is a sign of using out of date PED's. They couldn't be dirtier than when they were part of USSR. Back then none of their guys or girls were ever caught.
     
  19. The Master

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    ArizState03 : </span>Great post which clearly show how doping is not a question of race.
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    Good point ArizState. Correction on the Athens olympics btw, it was the Sydney olympics. I only have knowledge on the track side of things and not the field events, and as far as track events I only have any knowledge on the short sprints. I wouldn't be surprised though if a lot of those jacked field athletes are doping, but outside of Kontaris, I can't in my limited knowledge think of too many current white sprinters I would even mildly suspect of doping, but who knows.
     
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    sprinter need to train extra hard to make improvements and that's why PEDs are so useful for fast recovery. the other side is that the hard training tends to make you bulk up. that's why you can tell when a guy is juicing. look at Ben Johnson, you can see when he started roiding. same goes for Linford Christie, Gatlin, Mitchell and so on. this kid is a f**king string bean, that comes for a little tiny country, and who is most likely on the poor side of the financials. so where is he getting this unbelievable PED that lets you run elite times and not bulk you up? there would be more great athletes from his country if it was state sponsored. I'm just not buying that he is on anything.
     
  22. The Master

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    Just to illustrate his progress :

    17 yo : 20'67
    18 yo : 20'66
    19 yo : 20'04

    And he did Olympic games, world junior championship etc... not just one or two races in 2008.

    Azerbaidjan is not rich but Jamaica also.

    And steroid is old doping, it's daddy doping, trust me, I 'm french and with the tour de France we know how doping is sophisticated.

    And there is a lot of these guys who do the Tour de France who are originary from estern europ countries.

    I just don't understand that progress, I have nothing against that guy, but it's so amazing and unexpected.



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  23. albinosprint

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    yes, but the tour de france is mostly a stamina event. thats a whole other ball game than all out sprinting. his progression is large, but Lemaître took off almost 3 tenths in the hundred in one year and I don't think he is on anything either. .27 in the 100 is just as impressive as .62 in the 200.
     
  24. The Master

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    Yes but Lemaitre always did better each year which proves his regularity, very important at that age.

    2007 : 21'08 10'53
    2008 : 20'83 10'26
    2009 : 20'68 10'17

    It was not just one fantastic year like Ramil who did not improve between 17 and 18 which normally means that the guy is closed to his top like other before him who stopped improving very young (Shirvington,</span></span> Mark Lewis Francis or Matthes Sven).

    Anyway I don't like to suspect someone without any proofs so I'm going to stop Arguing because it would be unfair he is clean.

    We will see at Berlin and if he has a medal, I will be happy for him.

    Does someone have the complete result of his 20'04 race ??





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  25. StarWars

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    20.6 to 20 flat is a huge improvement but it is not proportional to say that is a bigger improvement from say a 19.8 to 19.3. The lower you get in times, the more rediculous the improvement. And 19 is also not as suspicious as 22. You can guess who I'm alluding to.
     

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