"Respectable" conservatives

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This is a term that Paul Whitaker uses and I think it's dead-on. Respectable conservatives are politically correct, very careful not to offend, and are very eager to maintain the status quo when it comes to issues like race, immigration, and Israel. Abortion is probably the only major issue that some of these conservatives are politically incorrect about (also gay marriage and stem cell research, but those are relatively marginal issues, in my opinion.)

Recently I saw comedian Jon Stewart debate Bernard Goldberg and Rick Santorum (separately) on his show. They're conservatives and they were criticizing today's culture for being vulgar, lacking values, etc. What was depressing was how easily Stewart dismissed them. He basically made two points: 1) Yes, there's a lot of crap in the media and pop culture, but it's nothing compared to what's going on in the government, and doesn't really have that much of an impact in the grand scheme of things. And, 2) When people had these so-called values that you refer to, there was also slavery and segregation. Now our culture is so vulgar, but we don't have segregation and slavery.

I agree with Goldberg and Santorum, but I don't think the mainstream conservatives are either articulate enough, ballsy enough, or even right enough (they're brainwashed, too) to dismiss the liberal arguments. It was sad to see a comedian make such quick work of them. (Indeed, these liberals are very clever and articulate, even when they're wrong.)

Conservatives are in a Catch 22. If they speak the truth (and most of them probably can't because they don't know it) they'll offend the protected minority groups, and will be swiftly ostracized. And so they have to "be nice" in order to protect their careers; that way they just end up contributing to the problem. The only people who are free to speak the truth are people on the fringe of society, like us. No conservative in positions of status and influence can afford to tell the truth.

There's only one way that conservatives can defeat Stewart's arguments, especially the second one listed earlier: they have to be "racialists." They have to be unabashedly pro-white. There's simply no way around it. They can't compromise and be sweet, "respectable" conservatives. The power of the Republican Party does little to help true conservatives. They're not free to be racialists, and that's why they're powerless even though they seem very "powerful."

Only when conservatives can say: "You know what, maybe things really were better before the 60's..." and really mean it, and really go all the way and say that it was better in many ways, including issues like race, immigration, and everything else. But that would mean career suicide. Only when "racialism" and other pro-white values are socially acceptable will things get better... and that may not ever happen.

Okay, rant over, finally!
 

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Good rant! I wish we could hear the same from a "respectable conservative".
 

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Trent Lott said it, and look what happened to him. I wish about 50 or so of them would say it. God knows its the truth. Things were better then. The question I have is how do we say those things and get elected?
 

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Good example

I was listening to Rush Limbaugh on Tuesday. One Mark Bellings was co-hosting.

Anyway, the issue was searches at transportation centers and "profiling" (IOW, searching those young Arab men wearing overcoats) vrs. the lefty preferred option of "random" searches (If the old lady from Cleveland is the fifth person, you search her, even if four Saudi nationals just went by unsearched.) Now granted the latter is pure insanity, but an example Mr. Bellings used in passing while disussing the issue caught my ear.

"Profiling" has become an evil word said this pundit, because we associate with race and false profiles. But the profile of Middle-Easterners as terrorists is a "true" profile according to him, as opposed to "false" profiling, the example of which he gave stopping black people.

And one has to stop dead right there. I don't know what the violent crime rate for Middle Easterners in America is but I doubt it's 14 times that of whites. I don't what tiny percentage of Middle Eastern persons in America actually are terrorists but I do know that nearly 25% of black males have been convicted of a felony. Your chances of being killed by bee stings are higher than your chances of being killed by a terrorist, and your chances of being murdered by a ******* are thousands of times higher. So which is really the false profile?
 

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Yes, the homosexuals are apparently the last group Conservatives feel safe hating.(except possibly for Middle Easterners, then again most Conservatives say that the majority of them follow a "peace" religion, want democracy, and other BS.) The same Bible-thumping sister and bro-in-law who view gays with pure disgust preach at me for my "hateful" attitude towards ********.

Having been around both homosexuals and ********, I know who is the more unpleasant by far. (Even the homosexual ******** tend to act more like humans, for some reason I don't understand.) And when's the last time you saw a convenience story robbed by a guy wearing stockings on his legs as well as his head? The number of violent crimes commited by homosexuals isn't 14 times the normal rate, in fact I'd be willing to bet it's probably lower than the societal norm.

Which is why the concept of "Homo-phobia" is BS btw...I'm supposed to be afraid of what?, them hitting me with their purses maybe? Sheesh.
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I'd be afraid of them checking me out...not cool.

I don't think homosexuality or gay marriage is right, though.
 

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Well Nordic, "homophobia" is what they accuse of when we state the obvious fact that homosexuality is abnormal and evolutionarily mal-adaptive behavior for a Homo Sapiens. Needless to say, we have little to fear from less than 1% of the population, except insofar as the millitant element may wield political power. The millitant homosexual movement has done a disservice to those suffering from this mental disease, when they insist not only that homosexuals should not be punished, but also that their behavior is normal and equal to heterosexuality. Without this absurdity, medicine might actually have found a treatment for the disorder and saved millions of people from psychological suffering.
 

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Trent Lott said it, and look what happened to him.

Exactly, Colonel. And Pat Buchanan being ostracized from the Republican Party. And Rush Limbaugh got a good thrashing for being politically incorrect as well. Republicans/ conservatives are fine as long as they're "respectable." But if they step out of line and challenge the PC party line, they're toast.

Good points, White Savage. Conservatives are free to be hostile towards Arabs because it's "patriotic," because they believe they're waging a war against our precious "freedom." (What a load of crap.) They can't be honest about the real source of crime/ violence/ aggression in this country: young black and Hispanic men. That wouldn't be "patriotic."

I agree with you about homosexuality as well. I don't really take the religious approach. Most likely it's a weird genetic glitch, like a lot of other things. It shouldn't be seen as normal- it isn't- and people should feel free to call it a disorder if that's what they think. (But if it's genetic, it's not like religion is going to be able to undo it. Most likely gays will just have to endure it for the rest of their lives.) But there are bigger fish to fry. Republicans should spend less time on gay marriage and more on truly important issues like immigration, race, and Israel.

I did see a story about a lesbian in Massachusetts who wants to remove the words "mother" and "father" from that state's birth certificates and replace them with "Parent A" and "Parent B." That's outrageous (but I guess they're asking for it by legalizing gay marriage.) So I can't say that I like these people. But they're really the least of our concerns at this point.
 

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It has been proven that the only real cure for crack addicts and homosexuals is spiritual salvation. Religion "undoes it" all the time. For that reason, I think it has nothing to do with genetics.

Good points about the Republican party line that people have to tow, or else. It's pathetic that they as a party have compromised themeselves to the point where they are indistinguishable from their opposition on most issues. They are totally different from what they were 60 or 70 years ago,just like a lot of Democrats. We need a third party to break up this monopoly of pc gardbage that is being ground into everyone's heads. I wish I knew how it could happen.
 

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Reb:
Just a question. I am NOT pro-homosexual myself, as you can tell, but I notice alot of my Christian friends resist the notion that genetics plays a part in it. Why is that? Do you think we can no longer criticize the gays agenda if it's genetic? I mean, genetics is what makes a white a white and a ******* a *******, etc, just because it's genetic doesn't mean we have to pretend like a fault isn't a fault.
 

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I have to agree with WS yet again.
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We need to be more sophisticated about this issue. Just because it's genetic doesn't mean we have to accept it. Really, that makes it more tragic. The fact that it can't be cured makes it worse, doesn't it? When I see these gay guys on TV who have supposedly "converted" to heterosexuality, they still seem gay to me. They look gay and they sound gay. And as Terrell Owens said, "if it looks like a duck...."

This isn't an insult towards Christianity, by the way. As I've said before, traditional values are good for a lot of problems. I don't think this is one of those problems, however. Values are good at correcting character defects, not genetic ones. Clearly, there are gay men that have "feminized" brains, and lesbians that have "masculinized" brains. I'm not an expert, but my guess is that this happens in the womb, but we're free to disagree on this point. (I'm sure there are also "bisexuals" who are confused about their sexuality, maybe they've been abused, or whatever psychological problem they're having, and they could be helped out of that. But I think that deep down we're either one or the other.)

Furthermore, perhaps there will someday be a medical solution for homosexuality. There may be genetic screening for homosexuality just as they'll have that for other genetic disorders. That doesn't sound like such a bad thing. And ensuring that white people are born straight could only be a good thing for our birth rate.

Religion does have its limitations. I'm sorry if that offends you, but isn't it obvious? As White Savage has also pointed out, black and brown people still have their flaws despite being Christian (or Muslim or whatever religion.) Maybe there should be a new Christian sect, "European Christianity" or "Racial Christianity" or something like that.

Universalism (any type of religious or political ideology that disregards race) isn't the best strategy for the survival and preservation of our people. We need an ideology that intensifies our ethnocentrism, not destroys it. But a universal "we are all brothers" religious ideology- combined with the multicultural political ideology that has resulted in the "browning" of North America and Europe, are doing just that.

Being racialist is a matter of survival.
 

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JD:
Yeah, lots of homos (the non-millitant types) go through a religious phase, it doesn't seem to get prayed out of many of them.

Main thing I would hate to see is for homosexuals to hold their noses and breed with women. I'm afraid that might only be spreading the problem. Also, I wouldn't want to admit any homos or "former" homos to any group I'm a part of. Their emotional problems tend to give them a twisted view of life, maybe not all of them, but you just don't need the risk.
 

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White Savage, I don't personally don't care if homosexuality is genetic or not, but there is no scientific evidence to show that it is genetic. We know quite abit a genetic mapping these days and have found chromosomal evidence for about every genetic disorder. Nothing has been found linking homosexuality to genes. There have been no biological differences found (ie testosterone levels etc). Thus, a genetic link is illogical.
 

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Homosexual activists always scream when anyone says homosexuality isn't genetic, but all one has to do is watch the media to know that homosexuals are constantly recruiting for their "lifestyle." The media has adisproportionate amount of homosexuals in influential positions and as a resultis filled with blatant and subtle homosexual imagery and messages. Young people, especially in this twisted society, are easy to influence sexually. In a healthy society, homosexuality and homosexual propaganda are kept out of public view; in a decadent society, homosexuals are allowed to appeal to the maximum number of potential recruits they can target.
 

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If it ain't physical, then lots of people, even with respectable upbringings, seem to decide one day "You know, I think I'm going to try that queer stuff, even though it will make me an emotional wretch and despised by God(s) and Man"

I didn't need any sort of propaganda or prompting to notice the girls growing up, I seriously doubt you could brainwash most healthy young males to be anything but heterosexual, so I think there has to be something wrong with homosexuals on a brain/genetic level. I think they recruit more for so-called "acceptance" (IOW, forcing normal people to hide their understandable physical disgust, putting 'em "In the closet" as it were) than with any genuine likelyhood of "converting" very many.
 

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There was a time in my life when I was heavily involved with Christian church activities. I had met men who were once homo sexually oriented and turned away from that life style. One man has since married and last I heard has fathered five children and is a good family man. He told me most of the -gays- he knew were introduced to the experience as young , sometimes very young boys. As most psychologists will tell you much of our beliefs, proclivities and character are formed at a young age. I guess it's possible some are born with a genetic disposition toward it but many certainly are not.
 

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I just don't see how a person who DOESN'T have something wrong with them could try something that unnatural. As I say, I wouldn't really trust a "former" homosexual as a close friend or around my kids, and I'm still afraid of the consequences of them reproducing if it does have a genetic component. I dunno, while I can't go so far as to back the Jewish practice of stoning people for their nasty habits, at the same time I don't "love my brother" so much that seeing that sort move to San Francisco and die early of a venereal disease bothers me.
 

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White_Savage, the reason people decide to be homosexual is because there is something wrong with them. Its the sinful nature of man itself, nothing more. We try to pervert the plan that God had for us by saying, no God, your way isn't right, I'm gonna do this my way. Its happened before and it will happen again. That's one reason I think it is a choice. If you don't believe in God, then that won't make sense, but to me it makes perfect sense.
 

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Well Reb, I know every man is a "sinner" if one defines enough things as sin, but I'm extremely leery of a philosophy that can blur the distinction between a good man who has, say, one beer too many every once in awhile and a wretch who decides "Gee, think I'll try buggery"

And as I say, I'm worried that trying to "cure" these people through appeals to reason or faith will meet with the same disasters that trying to make non-whites equal to whites has. On one level, I'm super tolerant, hey, it's your body pal, on another level, it's like, they made their bed, they can go die in it.
 

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Yep W-S,I can relate to that. After a while, you get to the point where you think they should get whatever comes to them.
 

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Whatever can explain why the men seem so feminine and the women so masculine. I do think there are quite a few "bisexual" women who barely seem to notice gender, and I would say that there's a cultural element to that. But something serious has to happen to a male in order to "turn him gay." Genetics, abuse, deep-seated psychological trauma, something.

Accidents happen all the time in life, and certainly that applies to genetics. But it also applies to what happens after birth as well. I'm open-minded, but I can't help but to suspect a genetic abnormality for at least some of these people.
 

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Homosexuals "get" that way because they couldn't score with women, so they form groups and screw each other. I firmly believe that homosexuality is a learnt behavior, noone is born that way. As for bisexual chicks, this is just do to the closeness of woman and them taking their friendships to the next level. I only have a problem with bisexual chicks if they do not share it with me.
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While I think it's possible for there to be a genetic component to
homosexuality, I believe that it is caused primarily by a bad
relationship between father and son. If you look into the background of
every gay male, you will almost always find a struggling relationship
with the father and usually a smothering, compensating relationship
with the mother. This is also true of lesbians (at least as far as the
relationship with the father), as it seems that the father really is a
primary factor in determining the sexual identity of both his sons and
daughters. Of course, there are lots of boys who have bad relationships
with their dads who do not become gay, just as not all youngsters who
grow up in abusive households have severe problems as adults. However,
there is certainly a correlative factor between the way we are raised
and the kind of adults we become. Just my two cents worth.
 
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