Polamalu wins AP Defensive Player of the Year!

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  1. Deadlift

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    Informative post! I think Haloti Ngata is a legit player, but his Oregon stats weren't exactly monstrous, this I acknowledge, so I understand your critique of his draft position.

    Do you have an analysis for David Veikune or Isaac Sopoaga? They seem to be more classic "Poly reaches." Sopoaga had "monumental hype" when he was going from JC to the University of Hawaii, and I don't think he lived up to it, not even close.. he was still drafted in the 4th Round however.

    Veikune had solid production in the WAC, but wasn't at all worth a 2nd Round pick in my opinion. With Veikune, Maiava and Shawn Lauvao -- Cleveland was trying to build a "Poly cadre".. just like Chicago and Cincinnati (and perhaps the NY Jets need to be watched closely). And, Jacksonville now has a few, with Vince Manuwai and Tyson Alualu.

    David Veikune is now on the Denver Broncos: http://espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12625

    A lot of Poly's in the NFL are LBs, TEs, DTs, OL, DBs and sometimes Fullbacks.. what's missing? The "superstar Poly Defensive End!" I expect the "PTB" to push harder in this area.. there have already been busts like Anton Palepoi from UNLV. A new "Poly Hope" is this player on the Eagles: http://espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13299

    There have been some very highly-rated (from the "recruiting services") Poly DEs like Jonathan Mapu, Donny Mateaki and some others -- but they never really panned-out. I almost forgot.. C.J. Ah You is another Poly DE that was surrounded by a huge hype-train: http://espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10682

    Where is the "Poly version" of J.J. Watt? [​IMG]
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  2. Colonel_Reb

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    There has been incorrect analysis and judgment of CF posters here, due to incorrect assumptions being made about them, mainly out of ignorance. I like having different opinions on how to beat the Caste System, but those kinds of posts do nothing to help the site or the reputation of the new posters who write them.
     
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    also, just one thing i would like to point out:

    being racially aware does not equal being racist.
     
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    Great point, backrow.
     
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    No problem and I agree, he's a good player. My thing with it is his job is to contain the middle, eat up space and take on doubleteams. Despite his being pretty good coming out that isn't a top 10 skillset. I could kind of see them saying "late 1st, early 2nd as a 4-3 DT" and say fair enough. 3-4 nose tackle though? Dan Williams and Terrance Cody were players like that last year. The experts wanted those two blubber guts going early.


    Sure. Sopoaga was an interesting case. He didn't really have great fundamentals coming out but he fit the Poly Warrior mold and they tried moving him up as much as possible but the 4th round was honestly as good as that was going to get. Like most of the Samoan Sumos the only real position you could fit him in would be 3-4 nosetackle on a rotation. Even still he remains not only a starter but forced as a defensive end. That's a good one to point out Deadlift!

    I have a theory on Cleveland. Eric Mangini is like Belichick, he wants intelligent players from two parent households and no character issues. In fact in an interview he did right before that draft he mentioned the first questions he asks the scouts is all of that and how do they do in school? Is their schoolwork done on time with good grades? How are they to coach? Do they motivate themselves and have a passion for being their best or do they try to cut corners and float through practice? How is their attitudes? Do they take to discipline and hard coaching, do they take a leadership role? Reading through his list you can kind of see between the lines the mold he wants fits white players and very few affletes.

    My theory is with the NFL being as PC as it gets he knew an all white roster would get him fired on the spot and after watching the affletic locker room in NY run to Jewboy Mike Tannebaum whining about him he couldn't let them dominate the roster. Enter the Polys. While they are overhyped as it gets by the powers that be there are some that fit most of his ideal mold. In the Veikune and Lauvao cases these guys were by all reports hardworking, smart guys who tried hard and wanted to be pushed to be better. It's possible his plan was to insert enough of them in place of the blacks when possible. I just kinda noticed that Veikune was placed as a backup and hopefully replacement to Kamerion Wimbley, Lauvao was placed as the backup hair to "Pork Chop" Womack and rumors at the time was Kaluka was drafted as a Strong Safety project to replace Sean Jones.



    Haha well they try! As an example the talk all last draft was Tyson Alualu was the PERFECT 3-4 DE, Veikune was supposed to be a 4-3 DE, Ngata and Soapaga are both listed as DT/DE hybrids then there's Jonathan Fanene. It's going to be pretty hard to create any good Polynesian DE's honestly. You basically have two types to choose from, either in shape, smaller guys like Polamalu and Tatupu that you can make a fullback, tight end or linebacker then you have... Fatasses that are strong, slow and can eat up space. It doesn't seem it's possible to find 280lb Samoans and Tongans with the speed and endurance to play defensive end.
     
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    gentlemen, you need to quit fearing the term "raycisss." all it means is that you are White.

    anyone and everyone who posts on this site (or is a repeat lurker) is a "raycisss" according to the politically-correct politburo who tells the sheeple what to think. until you throw off the shackles of fear regarding this "evil" word, you will continue to submit to their authority.

    as for fighting the caste system, the facts are sufficient to prove it. are they sufficient to fight it? that is a legitimate question, as evidenced by this site's (and its voluminous, well-documented archives)remaining relatively unknown. the hordes of DWFs willingly close their eyes to the truth, and fewof those who are awarehave the courage to stand up and say, "The emperor has no clothes." despite that,(the relatively insignificant numbers espousing)Caste Football'smessage is fought by powerful propaganda machines, because the truth we speak of is real ... and the men behind the curtain don't want it to become common knowledge.

    so, how do we fight this entrenched system? certainly not by fighting amongst ourselves, which is far too common amongst pro-White folks. i think the facts are a beginning, as without them our position would have no merit. but i don't think they are sufficient, because many people don't want to be "confused by the facts." therefore, repetition of the message is also key, as is mockery of the obvious (and odious) double standards. power brokers HATE being mocked. also, stamina is vital. we can't give up simply because it becomes frustrating.considering all of that together, each of us can attack the Caste System in our own way ... as long as we understand that it, the Caste Systemis the enemy, and not someone who is more hardline than we feel is "acceptable."

    my only caution is not to become irrational and emotional when attacking the Caste System or speaking of it to people who might become awakened ...or even with a hardheaded DWF. name calling whilst angry does nothing in my view except make the one doing the name calling look ridiculous.
     
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    JC, good post partner. [​IMG]

    My "half-cent" is Polamalu is "over-hyped", but not overrated. He's a big play maker, but (as many alluded to) doesn't have the thick stats that other DBs do. I thought Matthews had a great shot, but (as was also stated)...it's wouldn't do (in the caste age) to have a White OPotY and DPotY. [​IMG]
     
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    You have to realise that most Polynesians playing in the NFL come from a very small pool of talent, namely American Samoa and those that live in the USA. There are far more polys throughout the Islands, NZ and Australia who play rugby instead. While the polynesian body type might suit itself more to positions like linebaker/fullback, there are plenty of quality polynesian rugby players who would have the physique to play as a DE in the NFL, not to mention positions such as running back, cornerback or wide receiver.
     
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    That sounds like the argument for all of the potential "great" (black) heavyweights being in the NBA/NFL. There are some good poly players, but none that have any particular skillset that makes them stand out. There are not faster than whites, and not stronger than whites, on average. The supposed advantage in straight line speed by backs is often an excuse used for blacks at rb/wr/db and even linebacker. I hear "look at the olympics, blacks dominate the 100 meter", as if they correlates into football success. I think the fastest 100 meter dash by a poly is 10.59 by Kelsey Nakanelua in 2004, that could be outdated though, but Jake Sharp beat that time in high school! I haven't seen a poly run an elite 40 yard dash except for Troy while there have been numerous white guys to run in the 4.3/4.4 range. I think Troy is the only to run sub 4.5, and many don't even run 4.5. What about strength, I am constantly hearing that polys are the strongest race, but the evidence points otherwise. So how do scouts justify using them over whites? There is only one reason.

    Look at a guy like Unga, what skillset does he have that sticks out? hes big and had power, but should have had more power for the amount of size he had. He was also not elusive or a burner. He was a good college runningback, but there were dozens of white guys that couldve put up the same production.

    Reno Mahe is the only one that I can think of that was the average size for a tailback, 5'10, 212 pounds, but still, doesn't have a skillset that makes him unique. Hes been a decent back up at best.

    Kahlil Bell got a combine invite after having a terrible senior season with 2.8 ypc. His best season was around 800 yards from scrimmage at UCLA. He ran a 4.7something and still got to carry the ball for the Bears, 40 times in 2009. Not much, but still more of an opportunity than Jake Sharp, who had 1100 yards from scrimmage his junior year, and 4.2 ypc 400+ yards rushing his senior season due to an injury to his leg. No combine invite, runs in the 4.3 range at his pro day. Went to the Bears and sent almost immediately after. I guess Lovie Smith didn't check the race of Sharp before he got the invite. Probably mistook him for a "water boy" and wound up telling him to go home. </span> Bell wasn't that big, 6'0 and 219 pounds.

    So I have to disagree, there are polys out there that they are trying to force into all positions, at all shapes and sizes, its just not working out that great. I don't think they are "all playing rugby". It doesn't matter where they are concentrated at population wise, there should still be some with the physique and skillset to excel at rb/wr/db. The NFL is running out of quality black players, and instead of replacing them with qualified whites, they are going out of their way to get polys, even if they don't come close to the white guys available. Bell didn't play this year, , but the more they recruit (see BYU's recent recruiting class, as well as many other schools the past few years), the more we will see at all positions. While Bell didn't play in 2010, guess who did? Unga, also for the Bears, but was placed on IR. I gues they have a fetish for polys. Anybody but a white guy.

    They will try their best to find poly de/rb/wr. Derrell Johnson-Koulianos is the only name that comes to mind right now as far as wide receiver. 6'0 and a little over 200. I don't know where he will wind up after the marijuana/cocaine/prescription pills arrest. Even without it, hes not an outstanding wide receiver. He did set a few records but within 4 years never had a 1,000 yard season. Kevin Kasper and Tim Dwight both pretty much set their receiving records in 2 years, Derrell had around 40 catches each of the 4 years. Kasper had 14 catches before his junior season, and Dwight was moved all over the place before being put at WR for his junior season. I think Andy Brodell was a better player, as a prospect. Averaged 18 yards per catch his sophomore season with 724 yards but dealt with some hamstring injuries that limited him throughout his career, still had 500+ yards his last season with over 14 ypc, higher than what Derrell had that year, and he his best season was still less than Brodell's best season. As far as Brodell not getting drafted because of a few injuries, Moeaki had injuries throughout his career and it didn't seem to hurt him that much.

    Funny finding this by Kiper when looking up to see how many years it took for Kasper to set those records.

    "When I watched Kasper go about his business with the Hawkeyes, he reminded me of NFL veteran and former Wake Forest standout
    Ricky Proehl</font>.
    Don't forget, even before Kasper made his mark as one of the top
    offensive performers in school history, he was contributing
    heavily on special teams. And by the way,
    Proehl was a third-round draft choice (58th player selected) of the
    Arizona Cardinals
    in the 1990 NFL draft. That's exactly the
    general area where Kasper figures to come off the board"

    </font>
    </font>
    </font>Kasper ran in the 4.4 range and has the best 20 yard shuttle (3.73) since they have been recording times, also in the top for 3 cone drill times 6.56 as well as vertical (43 and 1/2). Yeah that definetly sounds like a "possession receiver". Interesting to see that Weddle has the best 10 yard split.

    edit: even going further off subject I find this ridiculous. Not only are their multiple websites and forums for black athletes, there seems to be tons for Polynesians, yet this is the only one for Whites. I wonder why Rachel Maddow didn't have any of those other sites on her segment of "crazy racist nonsense".
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    Kiwi is making a point about race not limiting athletic ability or position. his post is anti-caste system.

    btw, Jonah Lomu would've have been an excellent DE. he was an athletic freak.

    Rugby is full of athletes that could've been dominant football players had chance and circumstance been different. Dan Carter would be an amazing hb and John Kirwan would've been a lethal wr. assuming they would've devoted themselves to football not rugby of course.Edited by: johnnyboy
     
  11. foreverfree

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    And played in a much earlier era. [roll eyes]

    Kiwi has a white rucker in his avatar fwiw.

    John
     
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  13. Deadlift

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    johnnyboy,


    You Should have gone to Hawaii's Scout forum after Wisconsin crushed Hawaii in football in '09. They were "in awe" of Wisconsin's size/athleticism.

    And, some posters' had an honest moment and admitted, "our Poly's are too short, too fat and too slow!" [​IMG]

    This is not just true for Hawaii football. USC had guys like Fili Moala that were underwhelming, and even the "pro-ethnic" NFL scouts felt that way. Deuce Lutui is another, and he became a blob. White men tend to be taller than Poly's.. just look at basketball!! I rest my case.


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    How can one man be so innately noble? How can one man be so resistant to the sirens song of penning "anti-black"Â￾ statements on the only internet forum on planet Earth which dares to support the against-all-odds struggle of white athletes? How can one man be so racially impartial, so fair, and so vehemently opposed to "hate?"Â￾ One plausible explanation is that you may actually be some sort of "living God?"Â￾

    My "free advice"Â￾ is that you stop bragging about yourself, stop insulting veteran posters, and focus on supporting white athletes rather than non-white former 1st round draft picks such as media / corporate darling extraordinaire, Troy Polamalu.

    My advice is tainted, however, as my blood is clearly simmering with "illogical hate."Â￾
     
  15. johnnyboy

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    take a deep breath.
     
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    Deadlift,

    i'm not suprised Wisconsin "crushed" hawaii. Wisconsin is great team. they are not afraid to offer scholarships to talented white players and because of that i will always root for them.

    i hate SC. i've made several posts about that. i hate SC because they consistently ignore a large number of white prospects from OC. or worse yet, they offer them walk-on status and make them benchwarmers for 4 years.

    you are right, there are a lot of fat polys. however, Kiwi is right, there are a lot of lighter-bodied polys that have good athleticism. they're just rare in american football. they're not rare in rugby, which is what i think Kiwi is trying to say.
     
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    [Inhales deeply, exhales]

    I noticed that your girlfriend, Fuzz Ball Troy, had a mere three tackles during the Superbowl"¦two of which came by "tripping"Â￾ a Packer receiver after a 30+ yard gain had already occurred. All three of Rodgers' touchdown passes were a result Polamalu's inadequate coverage. He had some real difficulty covering and chasing after Jordy Nelson, in particular. It must have been that darn achilles injury. Shucks. Don't fret; he'll make the Pro Bowl again next year, no matter how many games he misses due to injury.

    And to think, ESPN devoted approximately 50% of their total NFL programming to repeatedly playing that clip of Polamalu's "strip-sack"Â￾ of Joe Flacco during the regular season. I believe that footage has officially been aired more often than an injured Byron Leftwich being carried down the field by his Marshall teammates.
     
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    That was, I think, Polamalu's only sack of 2010.
     
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    BUT IT WAS A STRIP SACK! HE IS SO DESERVING!

    hehe.
     
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    This just in....Troy Polamalu has followed up his Defensive Player of the Year Award with selection as the CasteFootball "Invisible Minority Player of the Game" Award for his no show in Super Bowl XLV....CF also celebrates Black History Month by saluting the victory of the whitest team in the NFL as Super Bowl Champs. Another victory for diversity!!!!
     
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    Good one, jaxvid!
     
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    IT certainly was Polamalu's only sack of the season. The "incredible" Polynesian could make the Pro Bowl even if he sleepwalked on the field the entire season. His tacking numbers are sub par as well as his sacks, yet he's supposedly the best of the best.
     
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    ah yes, straight from the Al Davis school of Over-emphasizing One Game Performances. let me guess, you're a big Larry Brown fan, but you think Jim Kelly, Fran Tarkenton, and John Elway are all garbage right? haha. i like you Thrashen, you're always good for a laugh.

    btw, Troy isn't my girlfriend. haha. truth be told, i don't find most polynesian women even remotely attractive enough for me to date them... and besides we both know you're mother would be jealous[​IMG]

    PS- if you want to keep this going, i am game but if you start with the "girlfriend" jokes, this argument will descend into a flame war pretty soon and i don't think the moderators/owners of the site are going to appreciate that.

    PPS- on a lighter note.
     
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    Yeah, I definitely don't care enough to "flame"Â￾ you.
     
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    Never saw that commercial, pretty funny.
     

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