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  1. White Shogun

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    It amazes me that one team will cut a guy because he isn't good enough, but then when that same player signs with another club he suddenly 'upgrades' the position on the new team.

    Yes, I'm talking about Donte Stallworth. I've been reading that the Eagles receiving corps has improved with the signing of Stallworth, and that McNabb's numbers will see a boost this year because of Stallworth's addition to the Eagle's starting lineup.

    It isn't as though Stallworth was cut from a team like the Colts, who have a plethora of good receivers. He was cut from the SAINTS. Yet, he is supposed to upgrade the wide receiver corps on the Eagles??

    I can't help but laugh at the irony. A guy like Stallworth is considered an upgrade but a guy like Haas can't even make the Saints.

    Pathetic.
     
  2. Don Wassall

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    I'm checking the practice squad announcements periodically, and no one is interested in Hass even for their PS so far. Here are some of the legendary receivers who have been picked up: Mike Espy, Steven Harris, Romby Bryant, Jamin Elliott, Sloan Thomas, Dante Ridgeway, Wallace Wright, Charles Sharon, Jason Carter, Taye Biddle, Ben Obomanu. . . and on and on.


    Stallworth hasreceived the common practice of being treated like a star when he is a chronic underachiever. Same thing with Doug Gabriel being traded to the Patriots yesterday. Actually these guys aren't even "underachievers" -- they're just not nearly as good as the "experts" assumed they'd be based on their race.


    On a somewhat related note, I was watching the intro to the Baylor-TCU game and they were showing footage of Baylor's injured punter, who is coming back early from a serious injury. The guy was really cut, looked to be in great athletic shape. Then they cut to the Baylor team coming out of the runway. One short, skinny black guy after another. Both Baylor and TCU started 4 black wide receivers each. Amazing isn't it that all those high-powered Texas high school football programs can't turn out a single white receiver good enough to play for either of these two teams. [​IMG]
     
  3. hedgehog

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    Former Philly Alligator arm WR Todd Pinkston was picked up by the Vikings the same time they cut Kevin Kasper.
     
  4. White Shogun

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    This is getting ridiculous.
     
  5. Jimmy Chitwood

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    it's beyond ridiculous...
     
  6. Ta Waki Mumba

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    Ah... Pinkston... Why would you sign a player you KNOW sucks instead of taking a chance on a player you merely suspect sucks?
     
  7. White Shogun

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    I read an article that said McNabb should now be considered a 'top five' starting quarterback with the addition of Dante Stallworth to the Eagles' lineup.

    Yes, Stallworth worked wonders for Aaron Brooks, didn't he? So much so that they kicked both of them to the curb.
     
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    The Vikes released ole' Alligator arms today.
     
  9. White Shogun

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    Someone hand me a toothpick, I got to get these crow feathers out of my teeth:

    Stallworth has 4 catches for 124 yards and a TD at the half. Of course, they are playing the Texans, though..

    Okay, one game doesn't make him a stud, but considering that Payton also cut Mike Haas, kinda makes you wonder if he really knows anything about what he is doing down there in Naw 'lins..Edited by: White Shogun
     
  10. hedgehog

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    The rumor is that this was just a ploy. Pinkston will be back on the team.Some sort of a gimmick where they release a guy and sign him back, and the team doesn't have to pay him as much money if he clears waivers and re-joins the team.
     
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    IMO, Jeremy Bloom should have been given a shot to play WR, even if the Eagles felt his returning abilities weren't "up to par". Instead, Andy Reid found another reason to resign Reno Mahe, a perennial "Mormon favorite" and Philadelphia pariah. He was waiting tables at a South Philly sports bar at the time. Awful.

    Word was Bloom was (is?) one of the faster players in the NFL and could have made a perfect slot complement to the field-stretching Kevin Curtis.

    Shame.Edited by: PhillyBirds
     
  12. ToughJ.Riggins

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    So true, Bloom would make an excellent slot receiver. Bloom has the jukes and the quickness. That part of Bloom's game is his forte, but Bloom also has 4.49 NFL combine speed. Not too shabby at all!
     
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    Things aren't looking good for Kevin Curtis. McNabb asked the Eagles to get him more "play makers". The organization quickly met their "savior's" wishes drafting a WR that is even smaller than Curtis. Curtis was labeled by the a media article linked by draft daddy as being "too small" for a traditional number one WR at 5'11. Well, Mr. DeSean Jackson is 5'9 169 lbs according to ESPN draft tracker. Again the double standard is plainly obvious. I am having my doubts that the Eagles will put both Jackson at 5'9 and Curtis at 5'11 out as their starting tandem for years to come, that is a small starting tandem.

    Curtis may be to odd man out if and when Donovan starts to whine again about any struggles and Eagle's fans relentlessly blame whitey for them not winning the Super Bowl every single year! It's too bad the Eagles didn't draft the 6'4 Limas Sweed, then their would be no gripes with Curtis's height as the other receiver. Here is an article by Jason Cole. Hey at least Cole didn't say Curtis is a problem for the Eagles after a fine first season in Phili, so I give the man credit for not resorting to white bashing!


    Jackson could become McNabb's savior

    By Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports 15 hours, 1 minute ago

    PHILADELPHIABeyond running back Brian Westbrook and wide receiver Kevin Curtis, Donovan McNabb's offensive threats struck very little fear in defenses last year. The Philadelphia Eagles are counting on rookie receiver DeSean Jackson to make things more difficult for the opposition in 2008.

    Jackson, one of Philadelphia's two second-round picks in April's NFL draft, has the kind of speed that wows. Jackson, generously listed at 6-feet, 178 pounds, has the speed to run through defenses.

    He also has the type of speed that can make an opposing team think twice about just chasing McNabb with the pass rush. Last year, McNabb was sacked 44 times, second-highest total in his career behind the 45 takedowns in 2000.

    Ultimately, if the Eagles are going to become a contender again, they need to keep McNabb upright.

    Some of the problem last year had to do with McNabb still recovering from a knee injury in 2006. Some of it had to do with scheme. The Eagles just weren't that quick last season. Receivers Reggie Brown and Hank Baskett aren't game-changing threats. So in essence, no one aside from Westbrook and Curtis could make a defense pay for going head-long after the quarterback.

    Enter Jackson, who could routinely find himself on the field with Westbrook, Curtis and Lorenzo Booker - a third-round pick from Florida State in '07 who didn't fit the new scheme being put in by head of football operations Bill Parcells and his crew.

    "What we can do right now is move people around, put some pretty interesting groups out there," Eagles coach Andy Reid said. "DeSean will be in a lot of places for us, the slot, outside, places where we feel we can get matchup problems."

    What the Eagles can do is make opponents pay for mistakes, particularly if opponents try to blitz.

    That was obvious during a drill at the team's rookie mini-camp session on Thursday when Jackson ran through a zone coverage for a deep pass that would have been a touchdown. Jackson just glided through the defense with an almost deceptive stride. For a somewhat smaller player, Jackson runs smooth.

    Still, that was May, when big plays in practice are about as meaningful as a teenager with peach fuzz at a biker bar.

    The problem is that Jackson has this tendency to act like a kid who thinks it's cool to sit in the back of class and stare at the ceiling tiles with a disaffected attitude. During every individual drill, Jackson was the last in line to do the exercise. When wide receivers coach David Culley stopped to talk to the group, Jackson was the first (and often the only) one to take off his helmet. He looked off in every direction except directly at Culley.

    About the only time Jackson seemed to pay full attention was when Reid was observing up close. In the NFL, you have to work harder than just when the big boss is looking.

    All of that makes you wonder if Jackson gets the big picture, if he understands that he's part of a big plan to put one extraordinarily quick offensive unit on the field from time to time; the type of unit that could ruin the great pass-rushing defenses from the New York Giants, Dallas Cowboys and Washington Redskins. The defenses that made McNabb's life miserable a year ago.

    "I understand what people have said about me, but you can't do nothing about what people say except go out and prove them wrong," said Jackson, who many people expected to be a first-round pick when he declared to come out of Cal after his junior season. "That's what I'm going to do now, prove them all wrong."

    To that end, Jackson has been with the Eagles since being drafted. Later this summer, he's expected to hook up with McNabb in Arizona for some individual work being pushed by the team. The obvious hope from Reid and his staff is that McNabb will see the quickness the Eagles have assembled around him and feel better about the team's chances.

    "Donovan is going to like what he sees when he spends a lot of time around," offensive coordinator and assistant head coach Marty Mornhinweg said.

    Said Jackson: "Everything with Donovan has been real cool and I think when we get together (in Arizona) it's going to be that much better. He'll see what I can bring to the offense and I'll really learn what he's looking for. I already saw in the first mini-camp with him, you have to be sharp with your route because his throws are right on top of you. It's tight."

    That's the hope, of course. Otherwise, McNabb, who earlier this offseason said that the Eagles needed to get more "playmakers," may start to grouse again as he did last season when things went poorly. Of all the rumors last season that McNabb may be in his final days as an Eagle, a good many of them were fueled by McNabb's frustration with the offense.

    Those rumors won't go away until the Eagles can keep opposing pass rushers at bay
     
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    I think this is a pretty good article that has lots of good things to say about Kevin Curtis. It pretty much says that he is their number one, and most dangerous, receiver. It is also not that complementary about the new draft pick stating that he "has this tendency to act like a kid who thinks it's cool to sit in the
    back of class and stare at the ceiling tiles with a disaffected
    attitude. During every individual drill, Jackson was the last in line
    to do the exercise. When wide receivers coach David Culley stopped to
    talk to the group, Jackson was the first (and often the only) one to
    take off his helmet. He looked off in every direction except directly
    at Culley.
    About the only time Jackson seemed to pay full attention was when Reid was observing up close"
    Pretty straight stuff from the mainstream media for a refreshing change.
     
  15. celticdb15

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    Jackson's only impact will be returning kicks, not a true receiver at all. Not even close.
     
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    I might have to eat these words, I didn't believe the hype and with his slight build wasn't expecting much! Oh well, I'm right more often then not [​IMG]
     
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    Well, everyone was right about his attitude, which still sucks. I still wouldn't call him a pure receiver, in regard to his hands and routes. He just has extraordinary 4.2 speed to outrun the superafflete corners with 4.6 speed.
     
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    The DWFs think every black player is gifted with "blinding speed," yet the few that are stick out so clearly from the rest.
     
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    The NFL, due exclusively to its race-based hiring practices, is seriously lacking in terms of players with genuine speed.

    I can only think of a few black players with legitimately great speed"¦guys like DeSean Jackson, Chris Johnson, Ted Ginn, Darren Sproles, and Devin Hester. From that list, only Jackson and Johnson are great offensive players (the rest are merely great special teams players).
     
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    I thought Darren Sproles only ran a 4.47 40. I'll have to check. You can find this info on NFLdraftscout. For 100 meter H.S times, some are listed on milesplit.us or sometimes on the player's Rivals, ESPN or Scout profile. For college times you'd have to check the team website or look up track meets or find newspaper articles. McGuffie just improved his 100 meter personal best last year to 10.7 for instance, but ran a truly elite 6.82 60 meter.

    That is a good list though Thrashen. I'd add Darius "Can't Catch" Heyward-Bey, Jamal Charles and Reggie Bush to that list. Joey Galloway used to be SUPER FAST in his prime. And of course Hershall Walker and Darrell Greene back in the day. Calvin Johnson has elite 40 yard speed (freakish for a 6'5 guy).
     
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    This writer makes the perfectly rational prediction that Chad Hall will beat out Hank Baskett as the Eagles' fifth receiver (with Riley Cooper as the fourth). The problem is that the NFL rarely acts rationally when it comes to race.

    Training Camp Preview: Wide Receivers

    Rookies Riley Cooper and Chad Hall bring potential. Hall, a converted college running back who spent the past couple years in the Air Force, is a shifty player who can thrive in the slot. Cooper is a big, powerful receiver who can go up and get the ball, a skill that the Eagles' receiving corps has been lacking ever since the T.O. experience blew up.

    Projected Final Roster
    * DeSean Jackson
    * Jeremy Maclin
    Jason Avant
    Riley Cooper
    Chad Hall

    full article: http://www.csnphilly.com/07/22/10/Training-Camp-Preview-Wide-Receivers/landing_eagleeye.html?blockID=275747&feedID=3041
     
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    If Cooper is given a chance to be a #1 or 2 WR for the Eagles he will be one of the better WR's in the league. Riley is as talented as a Moss or prime TO, IMO.
     
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    Fat Bastard's already working some of his Caste magic. Jurovich doesn't even make it to training camp:

    Eagles signed WR Jared Perry and waived WR Kevin Jurovich. The Eagles appears to be passing on Kelley Washington, who also worked out Thursday. Perry, a starter at Mizzou opposite fellow undrafted free agent Danario Alexander, was waived by the 49ers earlier in the week. Jurovich, undrafted out of San Jose State, was hindered by a quad injury.
     
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    i read on Philly forums that Jurovich's been slowed down by an injury, so there's still soem hope he resurfaces somewhere else.
     
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    Jurovich didn't have much of a shot making Philly's final roster anyway. In terms of white wrs he was in a clouded situation with Chad Hall, Riley Cooper, and Blue Cooper already there. Too many talented whiteys, so best of luck to him as he pursues his professional career elsewhere.
     

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