Peyton Manning

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  1. Truthteller

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    Thrash, off the the top of my head I can think of several more white receivers that either played only a few regular season games or where stuck on practice squads with the Colts during Peyton and Polian's tenure in Indy. Most egregious, in terms of racial cleansing, was no doubt (in my opinion) a "goy" named Trevor Insley, who had an amazing career at Nevada, yet still went undrafted. He had the look of a solid receiver prospect when he got the chance in 2000, but was summarily "cleansed" when Faux-News hero Tony Dungy took the job. It's amazing how quickly some "goys" disappear, even after showing something in actual NFL games?

    Not a big deal about Insley, just a "goy' worth remembering here at CF. Had he come along in recent years (AW After Welker) he might've actually been allowed to play as an NFL slot-receiver, even though he was skilled enough to play flanker of split end.

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    As far as Eli, it would be great if he could use his clout to get some "goys" in there. But let's not forget, the Giants' top 3 personnel men are all black -- GM Jerry Reese, plus the teams' assistant GM and head of pro personnel. However, I agree with you 100%, Eli should've built up enough "equity" to get the guys he wants and outside of a very brief stint in 2011 (B. Stokely), his receivers have been coal-black.
     
  2. sport historian

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    Peyton Manning has been criticized many times on the Forum for "not speaking out against the Caste System."
     
  3. Don Wassall

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    I have to question the logic of those that think White QBs also double as GMs. Peyton Manning was fortunate to be drafted by the Colts during the Bill Polian era, which was one of the relatively White friendliest in the league over the past quarter century. Polian prior to that was the mastermind behind the half-White Buffalo teams of the early 1990s that went to the Super Bowl four straight seasons. And even then, until Stokley emerged as the "Slot Machine" in 2004, Peyton didn't have a White receiver to throw to on a regular basis and Stokley was promptly demoted after his big '04 season. 2004 was Manning's 7th NFL season.

    As Jason Whitlock wrote years ago, the Colts and Patriots were perceptive enough to surround their star QBs with sufficient personnel for them to thrive on the field and in the locker room. John Elway was shrewd enough to recognize the obvious and continue it in Denver. I highly doubt Peyton has ever said to one of his bosses, "Hey, get me more White receivers." And one can only imagine what would happen if Eli or just about any other quarterback made the same request. We live in an era in which public figures can and are ruined for far more innocuous statements made in private than that.
     
  4. Truthteller

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    Couple things. Good work on Polian's background, but you should also add he made a brief pit stop in Carolina, between Buffalo and Indy, and built the expansion Panthers that went to the NFC title game in their second season. Both the Panthers and Jaguars made the conference finals in their second season (1996) and both where very white friendly.

    I agree. I, also, highly doubt Peyton has ever said to one of his bosses, "Hey, get me more White receivers." But he does seem to "go to bat" for white guys -- note Stokely, Collie, Tamme. ect.....Is it racial? Probably not. Seems to me he wants to be put into the best position to succeed and he'll go out of his way to stick his neck out for guys that can play, even if they are white. Anyhow, the end result seems to be very positive-- as we've seen in Indy (particularly post Dungy) and in Denver.
     
  5. jaxvid

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    I would like it if Manning stood up and said something about the caste system. I also know it's never going to happen. He could be nailed to a cross by a black mob and he would never say anything racial. Stronger men then him have been broken. I think we discussed his probable racial awareness growing up in New Orleans, really if living in New Orleans doesn't make you racially aware, at least subconsciously, then nothing else will.

    However at least he stands up for the White guys. It's obvious who they sign to play with him. He may not be a GM but he knows what he likes and I have no doubt that he makes that clear to the guy getting players.

    I would contrast him to say Carson Palmer, who goes out of his way to praise the thugs on his team, to no benefit to himself. That's just stupid pandering and has not helped him one bit. So Manning is clearly one of the good ones, no matter how you cut it.
     
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    Nice memory! I recall Insley from Nevada (and the now-defunct NFL Europe), but I figured he was cut/released by the Colts due to injury, I guess that wasn’t the case. I didn’t mention the criminally-talented John Standeford in my “list” because, despite being jerked around for the better part of three seasons, he never actually made the 53-man roster. Before the 2007 season opener, Standeford appeared to have avoided being cut again…only to suffer deja vu, being cut in favor of mega-scrubs like Aaron Moorehead and Terrance Wilkins…

    A September 2007 article from “ColtPower.com,” days after Standeford’s “final purge” from Indy…
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    I also don’t believe that Manning (or any other star white QB) is actually making racial demands for his offensive teammates to GM’s, coaches, scouts, or the team’s ownership. I do, however, know that when “white QB/white WR” combinations achieve success together, they tend to become fast friends and the QB typically “vouches” for his friend and he doesn’t tend to get cut like the other “disposable white junkyard dogs.” Tom Brady and Wes Welker were/are real life “best friends” (they even vacation together in the offseason), as were/are Stokley/Manning, Collie/Manning, Kelly/Bebee, Elway/McCaffery, Romo/Witten, etc. I haven’t heard anything about Rodgers/Nelson palling around outside of football, which doesn’t surprise me, given that Nelson is a young family man who grew up on a large farm in rural Kansas and Rodgers can be an immature wigger at times.

    But you’re right; Manning was fortunate enough to play for two franchises, both of which had/have white-friendly squads.
     
  7. Don Wassall

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    The best quarterback of all time threw 7 TDs last Thursday on national television, tying the all-time record and marking the first time it was done in 44 years.

    Here's hoping Peyton can play effectively until he's 40, but however much time he has left, it's always a pleasure watching a true master of his craft.
     
  8. Wes Woodhead

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    I think big Peyton will play till he is 40. Part of me was wishing that the Broncos would go ahead and go for that 8th TD pass towards the end. I know that would have been poor sportsmanship, but still that would have given him the reacord. He looked as sharp as ever the other night.
     
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    Peyton Manning may be winding down his career but he's still a good quarterback. He shows how important the mental aspect of playing the position is as opposed to just the physical aspect.

    No one can deny that Manning is one of the all time greats.
     
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    Manning has had some subpar games this season. There's some thought that he should retire.

    He's done just about everything a quarterback can do, so he's had a great career.

    I hope Manning turns it around this season and has a few more good games, even if he decides to retire at the end of the season.
     
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    Perhaps even more amazing than all of Peyton's regular season records was his five NFL MVP awards. Brett Favre won three, Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers have won two. Joe Montana and Steve Young both won two. Jim Brown won three. Peerless domination of the league's most prestigious award and he did it in a league with a long entrenched racial Caste System.

    Peyton Manning was a genius at his position; he mastered it as much as a position with so many variables in a team sport with 22 players on the field can be mastered. His post-season record wasn't as sparkling as his regular season accomplishments, but he was on some flawed teams in Indianapolis that nonetheless were almost always in the hunt for the Super Bowl every year. Glad for him to win his second one and secure his legacy and leave on top.
     
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    His team was in the playoffs something like 15 out of 18 years. That's incredible. After years of following the Lions the idea that you are going to be in the playoffs every year is amazing.
     
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    Glad for Manning. He's a top five all-time quarterback. Walk out on your own free will.

    1) Brady
    2) Montana
    3) Manning
    4) Elway
    5) Unitas
     
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    Favre is no. 1!
     
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    The local news station had a small segment on Peyton's retirement. Here's how it went: at his retirement announcement the most important items were questions about his harassment of a women trainer when he was in college and rumors of his HGH use. Good God have these people no decency! So the only audio from Peyton was his comments on how he had nothing to say about an incident 20 years ago that was settled legally and the drug stories were completely false. So this all time great had to have his retirement presser focus on the only two possible negatives in his long storied career. What bull sh*t. This anti-white stuff is really getting old.
     
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    I watched the whole press conference and there were very few questions about HGH and the college incident, probably just one of each. The majority of questions were respectful. The reason why you're local news focused on those two questions is because they know that almost nobody watched the entire press conference, so the viewers are left with the idea that those two issues were the most important topics of the press conference and that's what's going to stick in their minds about Peyton Maning going forward. And your local news isn't really that local either, outside of what happens in your area, all local news stations report on the same exact national stories, sometimes word for word. So that small segment you saw was most likely also aired by hundreds of other local news affiliates. It really is amazing what the media has been able to do to Peyton Manning's once sterling reputation over the past couple of months . His public image has taken a huge hit. I've never been Manning's biggest fan but even I can't help but feel some sympathy for him.
     
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    The local news channel I watched tonight led off its sports segment with Manning's retirement, gave it about 30 seconds or so, then featured a "tweet" by noted Rhodes Scholar DeAngelo Williams about how bad Manning was in 2015. Makes perfect sense in the 2016 American Idiocracy.

    We half-kiddingly mention the "idiocracy" quite a bit, but there's no question it exists, and is led by the propagandists and dumbed-down bubbleheads of the "mainstream" media. I've participated in and followed presidential politics closely for more than 30 years, and because of the Trump phenomenon am watching a lot more "mainstream" news this year than in many years. And the level of political discourse on Fox News, CNN, MSNBC and other outlets, not to mention CBS, ABC and NBC, is for the most part disgustingly vapid, simplistic and just plain unknowledgeable. Social media seems to have speeded up the process of dumbing everyone down (while they consider themselves to be hip and irreverent), including most in the ruling class, by shortening Americans' already infantile attention spans even more, and divorcing them from most aspects of reality.
     
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    Utter garbage that some stations are narrowing a very good press conference down to two chickencrap NON-issues!
     
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    Class Act. What a great career. I wish he could have played longer.
    Will miss #18 on Sundays.

    Meanwhile, Afleet DeAngelo Williams tweets and defends that he said Manning was mediocre this season on the day of his retirement. Classless Dindu.
     
  21. Extra Point

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    The woman who claimed Peyton Manning sexually assaulted her years ago has come forth again with her story.

    I've read about what she said and heard what she said. She sounds like a nutcase. And her story kept changing.

    By no means do I dismiss all claims of sexual assault but I don't believe hers. Apparently Manning mooned someone in a locker room and she embellished it into a sexual assault.
     

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