Peyton Manning

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  1. white lightning

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    This guy is so good that most of the public doesn't even fully understand it.He makes passing for 300-400 yards
    weekly look effortless!He also averages around 4 touchdowns a game every week!It's not his fault that the
    team has the last ranked defense in the NFL coming into
    tonight.Regardless,never count out the Colts because he
    has passed Brett Favre as the best in the game.As the old
    James Bond Song goes,"nobody does it better"! He shared the MVP last year but his only competition this year would be from Big Ben in Steeler town.
     
  2. Don Wassall

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    He certainly had a far better game than Culpepper tonight and Culpepper had been the most hyped choice for MVP. Remember last year after four games, when the media was campaigning for Dante Hall of KC for MVP because he had returned a kick for a TD in four straight games? He didn't do a thing after that and is lousy as a receiver.

    Manning is something special. He is also as durable as Brett Favre. He may break many of the most important single season and career marks before he's done.
     
  3. white lightning

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    31 Touchdowns and counting!He is on pace to shatter Dan Marino's NFL Record of 48.If anyone should break Dan the
    Mans record,Manning would be a great choice.Peyton is with out question the best qb in the nfl!
     
  4. bigunreal

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    It will be interesting to see if the NFL makes Manning share the MVP
    award, as it did last season with Steve McNair, of even deny it to him
    altogether, like they did the Heisman Trophy. Giving the Heisman to
    Charles Woodson- a non-dominant cornerback- was the biggest injustice
    in the history of Heisman voting, IMHO. Although Manning is in lots of
    commercials, and is praised a lot by the announcers, many white fans do
    not like him. If you visit any of the fantasy football message boards,
    they are full of derogatory comments about his physical appearance
    (frequently referring to him as "Frankenstein") and what they all seem
    to think is his phony "aw, shucks" personality.
     
  5. Don Wassall

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    You're right about a lot of white fans not liking him. I was defending him last night on one fantasy board where they were lining up to take shots at him. Most of these people don't like any white football players when you get down to it.
     
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    Peyton Manning today entered the realm of the all-time greats. He is quickly becoming the Babe Ruth of football. Or maybe the Wayne Gretzky of football.

    To do what he's doing in the anti-white Caste NFL (especially in the much-heralded era of the "fleet-footed black quarterback wave of the present and future") is doubly sweet.

    We have much to be thankful for. Wariner, Manning, many others,(finally) a backlash against the black athlete/thug. Keep it coming!
     
  7. Lance Alworth

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    I'm a pro-white sports fan who doesnt like Manning. The reason why is because he has an IQ of about 53 and has the verbal skills of many of the black atheltes we tend to ridicule on this site. If any white football player deserves praise, its Jeremy Shockey. I'd like to see him hock a big loogey in Mannings face just like he did those smart a$$ fans last season. He's not a wigger either. Here's to hoping Peyton Manning goes down with an injury and doesnt break Dan the Man's record, because there will only be one great QB of this era, and that is Dan the Man Marino
     
  8. white lightning

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    I'm looking forward to the Colts vs Titans game on Sunday.You will have some of the best w. wide receivers
    playing. You have Stokely & Clark for the Colts.On the
    Titans you have Bennett and Berlin.It should be a very
    entertaining game with lots of points.Make sure to tune in.
     
  9. bigunreal

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    Lance, I disagree with you about Peyton Manning. However, everything
    you said about Manning could be said about the media's absoultely
    favorite white athlete, Brett Favre. Not only is John Madden head over
    heels in love with him, I have never heard anyone in the press say
    anthing negative about him at all. I lost all respect for Favre when he
    laid down on purpose at the end of a game against the Giants just so
    Michael Strahan could break Mark Gastineau's sack record. Although it
    was obvious what he was doing to any five year old, all the sports
    "journalists" laughed it off and no one questioned Favire's integrity.
    Now, if that record had belonged to say, Deacon Jones, and a Kevin
    Greene was allowed to break it because a white QB fell down on purpose
    in front of him at the end of a game, you can bet those same
    "journalists" would have been at least half as outraged as they are
    right now over the firing of Notre Dame coach Tyrone Willingham. Also,
    Favre's best friend on the Packers for several years was TE Mark
    Chmura. When Chmura became one of the few white athletes to be accused
    of a sexual offense (and was also, not coincidentally, one of the few
    to actually be brought to trial), Favre echoed the entire Packer
    organization by turning his back on Chmura and never even issued a
    public statement in his defense. For a blatant example of the double
    standard here, consider how the Ravens organization stood by Ray Lewis
    when he was charged with murder, or even how the Seahawks organization
    stood by a run-of-the-mill WR like Brian Blades when he stood trial for
    killing his cousin (for those of you who don't remember that, injustice
    was served when the judge overturned the jury's guilty verdict-an
    almost unheard of action-and it later turned out that she was linked to
    Blades and his brother Bennie when both played at the Univ. or Miami).
    Anyhow, just my two cents worth.
    Edited by: bigunreal
     
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    I had not seen Manning interviewed very much but did see him on the pre-game show this weekend. He seemed well spoken. Not anything like a lot of the black athletes. He has a southern accent which may make someone feel he is less intelligent but not as chararcterized by lance above. I also know that he throws more passes to white receivers then any QB in the game. Makes him A-OK in my book.
     
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    And the worst thing he has ever done is supposedly
    moon a woman. Ooh, that's hardcore. A saint by
    NFL standards.
     
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    Peyton's a class act in every way. He could have tied the record tonight, but sat on the ball to kill the clock at the end of the game, as they should have. As he said after the game, "If it happens it will be in the normal course of a game." We've seen too many athletes become consumed by their pursuit of records, to the point that it begins corrupting the integrity of the sport itself by becoming forced and artificial in some ways.
     
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    Speaking of Manning....he's in one of my favorite commercials, rare for a white star to have a national commercial....it's the one where he goes around harrasing normal people at work, just like fans do at football games. I think Farve used to do this commercial too. I guess it's the one big national TV commercial reserved for white football players.
     
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    lol, i thought that was him, but was never sure.
     
  15. jaxvid

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    Manning to Stokely for the record!
     
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    What a incredible game.Just to show how good Manning is,he comes from having a average game all the way back
    to finishing with almost 400 yards passing today.Peyton
    got the record to the main man,Stokley. If Manning can
    get 2 or 3 rings,he will probably go down as the best of
    all time.He already has to be mentioned with Montana,Young,Marino,Elway,and Favre.The Colts also
    clinched the division today and Stokley is way over 1000
    yards.Couldn't ask for more.
     
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    Fantastic game. I sure am glad Stokley got the record setting reception! And best of all, Manning was so humble about the whole thing and a great word of congrats from Marino that was equally humble. No braggadocio too. Very classy. And by the way, did anyone else notice it was three or four whites that ran up to Stokley right away and were congratulating him and no blacks congratulating him?Hmmm... Edited by: BeyondFedUp
     
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    It couldn't have worked out any better. Manning to Stokley for the record. There's no better role model in sports than Peyton Manning.
     
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    You beat me to it,Beyond Fed Up,that's just what I was thinking after Stokley made his fine catch,where all the black guys.I guess they were a little bit too tired to offer congratulations.Dallas Clark went over to Brandon first followed by the white Colt linemen.But that's fine because the scenario played it self out perfectly.With the game on the line Manning hits the white guy for the historic score.And did you see how focused Peyton was,no celebrating because he knew they had to go for the 2 pointer.A great finish.
     
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    And what about that move that Stokley put on the
    defender? Faked left, went right, and sent the guy
    right to the turf. That image of Stokley will be shown
    over and over, and etched into the minds of football
    fans for as long as the record is held by Manning.
    The honor goes to Manning, but within the context of
    the Caste System, such a memorable moment for a
    white wide receiver is awesome. Perhaps eventually
    it will be put into the same category as the other
    great catches by white receivers, "The Catch"
    (Dwight Clark), and the "Hail Mary" (don't know the
    receiver's name, but I think he was white), or close to
    it. Congratulations to both Manning and Stokley on a
    great "hook up". Edited by: JD074
     
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    Drew Pearson caught the Hail Mary pass from Roger Staubach in the Cowboy's 1975 playoff win at Minnesota. The pass from Manning to Stokely was a great play.


    I saw Peyton Manning play at Neyland Stadium several times in person. His trademark both then and now was precision and efficiency. People in the state of Tennessee were naming babies (both girls and boys) "Peyton."


    However, fans in other places didn't always like him. He was the odds-on favorite for the 1997 Heisman. When had a player as famous NOT won it with a reasonably good senior season? That year ESPN started a campaign for Woodson on the theory that "a defensive player should win the Heisman." Well, the Heisman had gone to a running back (usually) or a quarterback for almost 50 years, and has since. I remember Keith Jackson saying something like, "By golly, I've always hated the fact that a defender doesn't win the Heisman Trophy."


    Looking at football history,there are many great players who didnot win the Heisman. Still, it was bizarre that Peyton Manning didn't win the Heisman when so many players of far less significance in football history did.
     
  22. Don Wassall

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    Here's a pretty good article about Manning and the Colts by black NYT writer William C. Rhoden:

    Colts Take a Long View and See the Future Now
    By WILLIAM C. RHODEN

    Published: January 10, 2005

    Indianapolis

    I HAVE a jinx theory about the Indianapolis Colts, the same theory that affects the Boston Red Sox, the Jets and all other franchises that have been punished for some act that enraged the sports gods.

    Indianapolis's transgression is pretty easy to figure out, and Peyton Manning's role in reversing the hex is becoming clear as well.

    The Colts' hex began on March 28, 1984, when Robert Irsay, who was the Colts' owner, ripped the heart out of Baltimore. In the darkness before dawn, Irsay loaded up the vans and moved the Colts from Baltimore, which had its first pro football franchise in 1946, to Indianapolis.

    Four day before the Colts' move, Peyton Manning celebrated his eighth birthday.

    More than two decades later the franchise - and the franchise quarterback - are attempting to win a Super Bowl.

    As a result of their 49-24 pasting of the Denver Broncos yesterday, Manning and the Colts are three steps away from breaking the hex.

    The Pittsburgh Steelers are strong, the Jets are fortunate and the New England Patriots are well rounded. But the Colts are this season's team of destiny.

    I saw something in the Colts and heard something from Manning yesterday that made me think the hex will end this year. I saw physicality from the Colts' defense and heard Manning describe a sense of mission that went beyond merely competing to win.

    Players routinely talk about taking it one game at a time. That's one of the great and most uttered clichés in sport. Players, in fact, do look ahead. But Manning, perhaps because he has enjoyed such a record-breaking season, is attuned to how hollow statistics without championships can be.

    Manning became aware of the importance of legacy last January when he was forced into one of the most humiliating games of his pro career. He was sacked four times by New England and he threw four interceptions as the Patriots beat the Colts in the A.F.C. championship game, 24-14.

    "I played like an absolute dog last year in that game," he said yesterday.

    The performance validated the perception that the Colts were a fragile team and that Manning was a fragile player who would put up great numbers but would crumble under the pressure of playoff competition.

    So when he was asked after the game yesterday how important winning a championship is to him, Manning leapt at the question.

    "It's extremely important," said Manning, who passed for 457 yards and 4 touchdowns yesterday. "That's all I want to do. Individually I've accomplished a lot in a short period of time. But we haven't won the Super Bowl since I've been the quarterback here."

    If more athletes placed themselves in the larger context of history - thought about how and why they would be remembered - a lot of the misdeeds and public outrages would be reduced, if not eliminated. Randy Moss has a mixed legacy for greatness on one hand, poor taste and bad timing on the other.

    Manning, meanwhile, is playing for the moment, but he is also playing for the archives.

    He passed Dan Marino's league record for must touchdown passes in a season, but the most significant achievement is winning the Super Bowl. From 2000 to 2003, the Colts under Manning lost three consecutive playoff games. The Ravens, who replaced the Colts in Baltimore, gave the city a Super Bowl championship in the 2000 season.

    Last season Manning won his first playoff game and led the Colts to the A.F.C. championship game against New England, where he had his miserable day.

    Manning watched all the games on Saturday. He watched St. Louis squeak by Seattle and stayed up late to watch the Jets beat San Diego in overtime. He identified with the losing teams.

    "I understand what it's like for these teams that came up short," he said. "I've been there. I know how disappointing it is. It's why you lift weights in March - for the opportunity, and you want to take advantage of it.

    "We've got a shot. It's all you can ask for. There's nothing worse than being home right now and saying 'Boy, I wish we would have had a shot at New England.' We have a chance."

    The Colts have a great chance. There will apparently be no blizzards in New England next Sunday. More important, there will be no Ty Law. Law, the veteran cornerback who was the cornerstone of the Patriots' defense against the Colts last season, has a broken foot and will miss the game.

    The Pats will be a different team, but so will the Colts.

    "Obviously, I would really like to go up there and help my team win the game, whether it's 35-34 or 3-0," Manning said. "You never know what it's going to be up there.

    "I just want to go up there and play well, to win; that's what you have to do against these guys. You cannot play average and then beat these guys. You got to play well."

    After the game yesterday, Tony Dungy, the Colts' coach, said this team was more mature than the team that was mauled by New England.

    "It means we do a lot better now in the pressure situations," Manning said. "We're not being overwhelmed by the moment."

    Maturity sets in when a team or a player becomes aware of laying track, making history. The Colts - Manning in particular - are aware of laying track this season. That gives the team a sense of resolve and purpose that goes beyond a simple game won.

    Manning is playing for the archives.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/10/sports/football/10rhoden.h tml
     
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    Boomer Esiason on Peyton Manning:

    "You are so good that your greatness is taken for granted.

    Truer words have never been spoken. Edited by: White Shogun
     
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    I'll be rooting for the Babe Ruth of football andhis Colts to win the Super Bowl. It'll be a tough road though, with no bye and ajoke of a rundefense. But just maybe, after being a favorite for several seasons and falling short, the Colts will make a run this year when most people are picking the Chargers and Ravens.
     
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    Me, too.

    If the Chargers win, it's because of LT. If the Ravens win, it's because of Steve McNair. At least that's how the MSM will see it.

    If the Colts win, it will undoubtedly be because of Peyton Manning.

    My other 'feel good' stories going into the playoffs:

    Jeff Garcia leading the Eagles to the Super Bowl and actually winning the Lombardi trophy. Imagine the conundrum that will lay on the caste system!

    Drew Brees and the revamped Saints, although I admit to mixed emotions after their treatment of Haas, not to mention that Reggie Bush will probably receive more than his fair share of the credit should the Saints actually win it.

    The Jets and and Chad Pennington, who has been written off multiple times.

    And finally, Tom Brady. It wouldn't bother me to see the Patriots win a fourth title, with Brady (hopefully) winning another MVP trophy.
     

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