Peyton Hillis

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  1. jacknyc

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    Hillis losing all that weight when he was sick left him prone to a hamstring injury or pulled muscles. Most of the weight he lost was water and when he played the next week his body didn't have time to be properly hydrated which lead to his injury.

    Hillis will be back when he's fully healthy and starting again (dominating) for the next several seasons!
     
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    This doesn't look good. What team will sign him and let him be a starter next season?
    The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports the Browns are prepared to let Peyton Hillis walk in free agency after this season.

    "It's one thing after another," one source said. "And what's been out there isn't even the half of it." Hillis had an MRI on Friday that showed significant strain to his left hamstring after re-aggravating the injury in the first 15 minutes of practice. At this point, it would take a dramatic turnaround for him to remain in Cleveland when he becomes a free agent in March, as he does not appear to be at the same level he was last season when he rushed for 1,177 yards and 11 touchdowns. While he's officially listed as "questionable" on the Browns injury report, the team does not expected him to play Sunday in Houston. Recently signed RB Chris Ogbonnaya will replace him in the starting lineup.
     
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    The "unnamed sources" which are the foundation of the caste system and public misinformation.
     
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    I just hope Hillis can heal up before this season is over. Also, he is 25 so he probably has a little growing up to do maturity wise. I think his agent(s) gave him bad advice. This has just been a bad season for him overall. I don't think Fat Walrus and his merry bunch of caste whores in Cleveland where going to let him be the primary back next season anyway. His role would be reduced over the course of time. I am sure he will get a pretty decent deal next offseason as long as he shows he is fully healthy. He just needs to finish the year off strong.
     
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    Don't forget the "Hillis Curse," the uncanny ability of all black running backs on whatever NFL team Peyton is on to come up lame. At this point it looks like his best scenario is to sign with a team to be their "Mike Alstott" -- a combination fullback and sometime receiver and ball carrier -- but the curse will ensure that Hillis becomes the main back, if he can stay healthy himself.
     
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    I have a dream: Hillis goes to Green Bay (they really don't have any good RBs and Rodgers would love his pass-catching ability). I think he would be a perfect fit for the team. Ah well, wishful thinking. I just hope he doesn't go to a team that won't play him.
     
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    How can any player that's injured play as good as they did when healthy...
     
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    Silver is Typical MSM Jackal

    The writer of that article, Michael Silver, is a Yahoo Sports writer who specializes in doing hit pieces on white players who break the caste system. He wrote an article earlier this week that was a smear job on Tebow. He is your typical lying MSM POS.
     
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    Silver, hmmm wonder what kind of culture/enviroment shaped his outlook on life?
     
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    Looking at Mr. Silvers article. It is also loaded with what amounts to an unnamed source. I am noticing a trend here. I think he just made up this whole paragraph, who is going to call him on it?

    “I’ve never seen anything like it,†says one Browns veteran. “Last year, Peyton was such a positive, inspirational force on our team – but now he’s like a different guy. It’s like he’s in a funk that he can’t get out of, and it’s killing us, because we really need him. And we’ve told him that. But we’re at the point where we just don’t know what to do.
     
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    Right, these sorts of “quotes†are a large part of the “conspiracy†to sully his good reputation through the reporting of hourly “injury updates†(to make him look like a China Doll), the alleged contract negotiations (to make him appear egotistical and greedy), the missed Halloween Children’s Event (to make him appear snobby and apathetic towards fans), and the “anonymous comments†from Browns players (to make him appear hated within the locker room) have all been swift Anti-Hillis vehicles.

    As Bigunreal mentioned, Hillis isn’t a “blameless victim†in this drama-filled quandary, as every decision he’s made this season (injury, contract, etc) has been questionable. I mean, seriously, any white player (let alone a starting white running back) that misses a game due to a case of strep throat (an illness diagnosed several days prior) deserves the always-ruthless anti-white derision of the drunken white dorks.

    Unfortunately, none of us know what’s really occurring.
     
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    At least Hillis hasn't been put on IR. . . yet.

    At his Monday press conference, Browns coach Pat Shurmur ruled out both Peyton Hillis (hamstring) and Montario Hardesty (calf) for Week 10. Their absences were expected, but for fantasy owners' sake, at least the Browns aren't going to dance around Hillis and Hardesty's availability all week. Fill-in Chris Ogbonnaya has been absolutely terrible in relief, fumbling twice in the last two games and averaging 2.71 yards per carry with multiple blown blitz pickups. He still projects as the starter in Week 10 versus St. Louis.
     
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    Can't be said any better.

    The unnamed sources and anonymous attacks on him seem to be orchestrated to alienate his fan base and career. When you consider the way teams use kid gloves to handle the careers of black thugs that bounce from one criminal mistep to another while treating everyone else like sh*t, and then compare that to the way the Browns have allowed their top property in fan enthusiasm, jersey sales, and on field talent (is there any other Brown's player that rivals Hillis in those catagories?).

    It is obvious that the management of this team if not involved in a bigunreal type conspiracy should be all fired for financial malfeasance in the way they have cost their company profits and future success.
     
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    This is the typical street free agent. I wonder why somebody like Kyle Eckel doesn't have work? At least he can pass protect and can be a poor man's Hillis.
     
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    Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not however regarding this whole strep throat BS: The original report by the Team that the media brought up once then quickly hid within their agenda was that his case of strep was so bad he weighed in that week 10lbs lighter with residual lethargy.

    Of course why would they mention it? They're trying to make him look like a pussy but the reality is he was seriously ill and it isn't right to expect someone who drops 10lbs in a matter of days, likely due largely to dehydration to just show up and play sick.
     
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    Pain tolerance is a subjective matter, but my observation from watching the NFL is that quite a few blacks will not play even in minor pain. Many seem to enjoy lying prone on the field and acting as though they're near death from what almost always turns out to be minor injuries that Whites routinely shrug off, or at least hobble off the field with. And my observation from watching Peyton Hillis over the years is that he is one tough man, on a par with Mike Alstott, who also used to push vehicles around as part of his off-season conditioning regimen. The whole strep throat incident is very peculiar, especially in view of what's come after it, and maybe we'll know more someday about what Hillis is going through this season from his perspective as it's now appearing highly unlikely that he'll be returning to Holmgren-land in 2012.
     
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    I took the time last night to go over several more threads in Cleveland Browns forums. Hillis still has a surprisingly loyal base out there, but more and more fans who loved him last season have turned on him and are calling him all the predicatable names; "one year wonder," "soft," "jerk," etc.

    What is really incredible here is the fact that several Browns' players have been willing to go on the record about Hillis being a "problem." Alex Mack, for instance, actually re-tweeted Silver's original highly inflammatory piece about Hillis. As the defenders of Hillis on these forums noted, what kind of teammate does something like that? As we all know, there have been scores of real "problem" players in the NFL in recent years, and I don't recall any of them being thrown under the bus the way Hillis has been by his fellow players. They have even gone to the lengths of rehashing an alleged incident from his college days, where Hillis was unable to play in a game, but was supposedly seen by the team in a truck going deer hunting.

    One day, when the Caste System is finally shattered, and those affected by it are able to talk freely, we will find out the truth about what lit the spark for what has amounted to a full out assault against Hillis. IF Hillis ever even had strep throat, it's my fervent belief that he was planning to play that Sunday, but something either caused him to revolt against the team and sit out or he was simply told he wasn't going to play.

    Call it what you want- I call it conspiracy.
     
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    I note that Miles Austin pulled a hamstring this weekend and they are projecting him to be out for 2-4 weeks......I think Hillis' problem is he tried to come back to soon because he knows the burden he's carrying and he gets scapegoated for it....double standard.....but we've seen that before.
     
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    I just noticed that with Silver's hit piece articles on Tebow and Hillis, there is no Comments section. With other Yahoo Sports articles, there is a Comments section, but not with his. Guess he can't take criticism. I don't blame him; the bile that he produces can't stand the light of day.
     
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    How much was Hillis paid to play his role? Who provides the money for the payoffs? Why doesn't someone no longer in the league talk freely?
     
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    Hillis' role in this whole drama appears to be that of the extremely befuddled, not very bright country boy, lost like a deer in the headlights and probably genuinely astounded by what has happened.

    As I've noted, the only way we'll ever know the real truth about all this is to find out exactly what occurred that Sunday morning before the game against the Dolphins. It was shocking to see a pro football player miss a game over strep throat, which had been diagnosed (and therefore treated by prescription) two days earlier. Hillis was at the staduim, and then he left. Again, unprecedented stuff. I said at the time that I found it all suspicious, and I think subsequent events have shown that my suspicions were well founded.

    Maybe this is all contract related. Maybe Hillis did injure his hamstring, and ESPN got it wrong when it initially reported he'd been benched. One of the few things announcers usually do well, is to get very quick and accurate injury information. I was watching that game, and the announcers were totally baffled by why Hillis wasn't playing. It wasn't until the second half was nearly over that they suddenly seemed to have been given information about a hamstring injury. I've watched a lot of NFL games over the years (yeah, I know, not quite as many as you, but a lot) and I've never seen such a delayed reaction on the part of the announcers to an injury. Hillis was seen on the sidelines, looking fine, and begging to go back in the name. The announcers talked about it. Again, not like any injury situation I've ever seen.

    So, combine the murky details surrounding the "strep throat" situation, which started the whole mess, with the predictable flak Hillis received from Bob Golic and others about it, with the obvious punishment meted out when Shurmur stopped playing him the next game (and then lied about doing so), even though Hardesty was SO bad, dropping four passes, etc., with the curiously non- reported hamstring injury the following week, with the awkward and self-defeating statements from Hillis and his idiotic agent, with two weeks in a row of indentical "Hillis practices, ready for full workload" only to be supplanted the next day by "Hillis unlikely to play" stories, with the ridiculous rumor that he was scheduled to be at a Halloween event with kids, which was contradicted by the fact the organization had no mention anywhere on its web site about such an event, then iced by the reports leaking everywhere, with direct quotes from his teammates, bemoaning what a "jerk" he's become, how tired they are of his "act," etc., and I think less paranoid people than me would start to see the outlines of a clear campaign.

    Now, there are leaked reports that the Browns may put Hillis on I/R. What? For a mild, tweaked hamstring? Again, these hamstring injuries are everywhere, and no one talks about putting other players on I/R for them. I've said that IF Hillis had some sort of hamstring injury, then yes, I expected him to be back playing by now. However, I suspect something else is keeping him off the field, and that it's directly related to his "strep throat" and all those terribly inflammatory stories leaked through jock sniffers in the press. At this point, the same forces seem to be seeking to have him inexplicably placed on I/R. Someone certainly doesn't seem to want him to play again this season.

    The man who was bold enough to permit Hillis to be the bell cow last season, and thus break a 25 year drought for 1000 yard white RBs, is gone, probably banished forever from coaching. Hillis is no doubt confused, and hurt by this situation. He expected to be paid a lot of money by the Browns, and they low balled him, offering him less money than they gave Chris Gocong. I don't believe it's a mere set of coincidences that has caused the first successful white RB in decades to be at the behest of a new coach whose first impulse was to minimize the role of his best offensive weapon, be offered a contract that was a slap in the face, and eventually find himself being thrown under the bus by teammates, something NFL players typically have never resorted to, even with true locker room poisons and grade A thugs.

    I knew Hillis would have a target on his back, but even I couldn't have dreamed up all this. I'm curious, SH- what do you think is going on?
     
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    IMO, this is what happened. It was reported that Shurmur and Hillis got into a heated debate right before Hills went home with strep throat. My gut tells me that Shurmur wanted Peyton to be the lead blocker for Hardesty going forward and Hillis refused (After what happened to him in Denver and the success he had last year I can't blame him for not wanting to be a bulldozer for another inferior RB like he was for Moreno in Denver) and was told to either block or go home. Shurmur refused to say what was discussed, he only mentioned it was between him and Peyton. I'm 100% positive that Holmgren sided with Shurmur which is why the smear campaign began because Hillis was to beloved in Cleveland to just release him.

    Hopefully some team will give PH a chance to be a RB but I'm not sure one will. After Alstott rushed for nearly 1,000 yards not ONE team was willing to sign him as a RB only a FB which is why he stayed in Tampa. The Bucs at least gave Mike some carries and passes along with short yardage and goal-line carries but he was still mostly a bulldozer which left him with a serious neck injury. The Bucs may be willing to give Hillis Alstotts role since Mike was so beloved in Tamps and the Bucs need fans but Hillis earned/deserves SO MUCH more as did Alstott.
     
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    What do I think is going on? Hillis has a hamstring injury. This has happened to running backs before, sometimes they are never the same again, Norm Bulaich and Otis Armstrong (both from the 70's) are examples.

    Holmgren undoubedtly would like to have his own players rather than rely on those of the previous regime. Assuming he didn't care for Hillis to begin with, and this is a likely assumption, Holmgren will probably seek to draft or acquire a RB before the 2012 season.
     

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