Peyton Hillis

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    You mean Afro-American players like Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs who continued to run their mouths after "snow bowl" ran the ball down their throats? Or all these "man enough" affletes who hurled racial slurs at him all season?


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    What inferiority complex would that be, exactly? It's interesting you claim it is whitey with the inferiority complex yet spend your article throwing out childish insults. Cortez, stop projecting your own insecurities on an entire race of people. </font></span></span>
    How about you show some integrity and actually mention why Hillis is rare? Hint: It isn't because "da wyte manz bees inferior yo." Of course this Author won't go there, that would mean mentioning how white RB's are converted to fullback by the Socialist media before they're even drafted in the RARE case they get to play that position in College. It would mean mentioning how Toby Gerhart had multiple offers from schools yet all but one would only allow him to play if he became a blocking fullback. It would mean mentioning the anonymous GM that informed the media he and most of the other GM's would never draft a white runningback period. That would mean acknowledging despite being a HIGHLY talented athlete Hillis was relegated to backup duties on the Razorbacks and relegated to backup in Denver despite outperforming the other RB's on the roster.

    That is called racism, Cortez. Call it what it is. Show some dignity for once. Unshackle yourself from the bondage of your racism, cast off that limiting mndset and do the right thing Desi. You will fill great afterwards. Recognize the racism that exists in the NFL for what it is instead of dressing it up.
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    Dressing like this here. Your inner racism is showing, Desi. Whenever the rare cases of a white RB showing up and competing happen they step up and compete. Just recently, Peyton Hillis. Danny Woodhead. Toby Gerhart. Brian Leonard. John Kuhn. Jacob Hester. When they are given a legitimate shot they produce.

    But let's say Desi that you are correct. Us athletic white guys just can't compete. Then what is the issue? Again, it goes back to integrity. If you are that certain of that position call out the College programs for disallowing the competition. Call out the NFL GM's that are against this competition. You talk about true integration, which the NFL doesn't have so let's create some true integration. Let the white guys show up and compete. We'll find out once and for all.

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    Go ask Toby Gerhart about that one. He was turned down multiple times when he refused to switch positions and simply wanted an honest shot at competing for a runningback position before he made it to College. Despite a highly productive NCAA career at runningback including a serious contender for the Heisman he was told by NFL scouts his sole option was to play a different position. Imagine that, a Heisman runner up being told he wouldn't be allowed to give it a shot, ergo yes, being stopped.





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    </span></span></span>Ignoring the racist stereotyping of whites, you Cortez are incorrect. Maybe try researching the subject beforehand next time?


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    </span></span></span></span>What? That's a new one. Alright then, since i'm sure Desi Cortez is spying around this board let's get down to some football 101. It isn't anyones fault a QB fails except for that QB. The truth of the matter is a run first pass 2nd QB will ultimately fail every time. It isb't about being mentally advanced, it is about the game itself. You need to be able to stand in the pocket and complete passes. Some quarterbacks understand that, many others do not.


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    </span></span></span></span></span>Which sports media? The one that has been fawning all over Michael Vick from day one? The one that is treating Joe Webb like he's the second coming of Joe Montana? The one that sides with Vince Young 99% of the time? The same media and drunken fans that are slobbering all over themselves while nodding along and agreeing to the </font>Cam Newton hype train? Maybe you mean the same sports media that in one days time went from calling Colin Kaepernick a 5th-7th round draft pick to hyping him as an elite, first round prospect the next day?



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    </span></span></span></span></span>The "ebony signal caller" is given upwards of a decade to succeed in the NFL by these same coaches and owners that drafted them, gave them millions of dollars and coddle them. You have one backwards interpretation of racism, Desi. Let's cast aside your ignorance for a moment and look at the reality of the situation: If these coaches and owners were as racist as you're proclaiming they wouldn't be throwing money at your "bony field generals", they wouldn't be hiring them and they certainly wouldn't be giving them half a decade or more to pan out. It's telling you refer to Mike Shanahan as a racist considering he gave up multiple premier draft picks for Donovan McNabb, he gave McNabb a large contract extension and he made McNabb his starting QB until McNabb proved the Eagles assessment of him correct. It isn't racism, he's getting old and on the downside.

    Let's not rewrite history to fit your agenda, Desi. When JaMarcus Russell was cut multiple teams instantly rang up his agent to schedule workouts. Bud Adams has went out of his way to draft the ebony quotaback whenever he needed one for decades now. Teams lined up to bring the criminal Michael Vick back into the NFL and Andy Reid even threw a superior Caucasian QB under the bus to placate the masses and give Vick even MORE time to try and figure it out. The Vikings too have had a massive love affair with quotabacks be it Culpepper, Webb or Tarvaris Jackson who despite being bad at the position remains employed making seven figure wages. Or how about Troy Smith? Despite being undersized and a poor QB from a poor school he not only remains in the NFL but has been given MULTIPLE opportunities to be a starting QB in the NFL.



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    </span>The Shanahans don't believe it because it isn't true. Quotabacks have long been coddled and had their hands held for decades now while being given opportunity after opportunity after opportunity to succeed. The only expectations are make plays, work in the pocket and win games. If there were a desire for the quotaback to go the way of the white RB the solution would simply be to not draft them. Simple as that. It isn't racism because the only successful black QB's have been Warren Moon, Donovan McNabb and Steve McNair. What IS it then? Read the article by Cortez, a sense of entitlement. Desi, much like these current quotabacks being flooded into the NFL feel entitled. I'm black, i'm here, i'm entitled to be the starting quarterback until I and the NAACP decide otherwise.
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    </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>And racists such as yourself can't admit the actual truths; Trying to be the sole playmaker on the team and making a quick read before running doesn't work. Never will work. The other truth being white quarterbacks understand that you need to be able to work inside the pocket, make reads and make plays via their arms. The last truth; White QB's don't have a sense of entitlement and understand everything that goes with being the quarterback. It isn't all purple drank lollipops and taking all of the team credit for oneself.

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    A bit presumptive, no? Despite the medias attempts it has yet to happen. Maybe if the agenda didn't exist to "take ovuh whitays qwatabakk pozition" and instead the much heralded quotaback simply worried about himself and improving his team they would dominate? Not likely, however you would see many more successes as well as a balance. </font>

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    It already does. Reading this article it becomes clear Desi Cortez won't be satisfied until via affirmative action there are no more than a white backup QB or two throughout the entire NFL. Back on point however...</span></span>
    </span></span>Buccaneers- Josh Freeman</span></span>Eagles- Michael Vick</span></span>Vikings- Joe Webb</span></span>Redskins- Donovan McNabb</span></span>49ers- Troy Smith</span></span>Browns- Seneca Wallace</span></span>Jaguars- David Garrard</span></span>Raiders- Jason Campbell</span></span>Titans- Vince Young</span></span>Steelers- Charlie Batch, Byron Leftwich, Dennis Dixon.
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    </span></span>Desi, there is a list of black quotabacks that started in the NFL this last season. 12 out of 32. All indications are Scam Newton and Colin Kaepernick will both be drafted and starting in the NFL next season. Out of that list 1 is a WR the Viqueens decided to make their quotaback, one is on the downside of his career, Campbell and Garrard have both proven years ago they have no business in the NFL yet continue to start, one is a whining crybaby emotionally incapable of being an NFL starter at ANY position and another is a criminal who put his gangbanger posse ahead of his NFL team and after eight years in the NFL still isn't a competent QB yet was race grafted into another Probowl. In the case of Troy Smith the most anti white GM in the NFL decided he wasn't a starting QB and cut him last year. In the case of Seneca Wallace he's 5'10" on a good day with a weak arm and an entitlement attitude.
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    </span></span>So where is all of this white man holding bruthas back? Out of the quotabacks in the NFL currently only McNabb and Freeman are standouts. That isn't whiteys fault. Your assertions are incorrect as can be as seen. Also just to point out this whole NFL is a bunch of evil white owners claim;</span></span>
    </span></span>Browns- Randy Lerner(Jewish)</span></span>Ravens- Art Modell(Jewish)</span></span>Vikings- Ziggy Wilf(Jewish)</span></span>Raiders- Al Davis(Jewish)</span></span>Redskins- Dan Snyder(Jewish)</span></span>Patriots- Robert Kraft(Jewish)</span></span>Eagles- Jeff Lurie(Jewish)</span></span>Buccaneers- Malcolm Glazer(Jewish)</span></span>Dolphins- Stephen Ross(Jewish)</span></span>Falcons- Arthur Blank(Jewish)</span></span>Giants- Steve Tisch(Jewish)</span></span>Rams- Stan Kroenke(Jewish)</span></span>Colts- Jim Irsay(Jewish)</span></span>Titans- Bud Adams(Half Cherokee Indian, tribal member)</span></span>
    </span></span>50% of the NFL is owned by nonwhites Mr. Cortez, so how can it be the white slave owners when they're not white? As for head coaches?</span></span>
    </span></span>Cardinals- Pre 2007- Dennis Green(Black)
    </span></span>Bears- Hatie Smith(Black)</span></span>Panthers- Ron Rivera(Puerto Rican)</span></span>Bengals- Marvin Lewis(Black)</span></span>Colts- Jim Caldwell(Black)- Tony Dungy(Black)
    </span></span>Jaguars- Jack Del Rio(Hispanic)</span></span>Vikings- Leslie Frazier(Black)</span></span>Raiders- Hue Jackson(Black)</span></span>Steelers- Mike Tomlin(Black)</span></span>Buccaneers- Raheem Morris(Black)</span></span>49ers- 2008-2010 Mike Singletary(Black)</span></span>Jets- 2001-5 Herm Edwards</span></span>Chiefs- 2005-2009 Herm Edwards
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    </span></span>Wow what a Ku Klux Klan gathering, Desi!</span></span>
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    Can we admit "we don't see skin color" when black America is desirous of a 100% negro NFL with a token white player playing backup here and there? Can we admit it when black America is obsessed with the quartback position being owned by their race and noone else? Can we admit it when blacks all across America purchased Vick jerseys after his arrest in a mass showing of race based solidarity?</span>

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    Not as telling as your racist diatribe against whitey. </font>

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  2. Colonel_Reb

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    Nice breakdown there, The Animal.
     
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    The truth is that both the writer of that article, their members, and countless others are getting nervous. They do not want to see whites make progress at the running back, wide receiver or any other black dominated position. This would be a blow to their egos! Well I got news for them. Hillis is only the beginning and their are countless Woodhead types out there too. It's all about the teams having the courage to draft and play these guys. In my opinion, it has to happen. The public is slowly awakening to the racism that is in the NFL and other leagues. The anti white stereotypes have to stop!
     
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    The thing that gets me is how this prick says whites won't attend sports that are too black. What a bunch of bull! Last time I checked the majority of NFL players are black and many teams have coal black defenses. The DWF's love attending these games and wearing their favorite affletes jersey, hooting and hollering like idiots for a team full of blacks. Is that racism?

    The NBA has seen attendance declining over the years, that's a fact. However look at today's players and you'll find the answer. Nothing but a bunch of selfish thugs. Give me back the days of Stockton, Malone, Mullin, Reggie Miller, and Jeff Hornacek. Now that was basketball.
     
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    TheAnimal thanks much for listing the Jewish owners!!! Awesome!!!
     
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    This Desi Cortez is a bitter racist. I've read some of his other articles and it's pure filth. He even takes shots at Tim Tebow who he calls Great White Hope. He follows the typical black script, whites owe us the world. Last time I checked white people invented football, basketball, and baseball, all sports that blacks play. So whose making money off of who? I think the bruthas have it mixed up.

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    That guy is a despicable racist. Amazing that his followers even read that junk... If they can. Never have I see a more poorly written article. It was full of grammatical and punctual errors throughout.
     
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    No doubt Desi Cotez is very racist, but you guys posting this is giving him a pulpit to speak on. I don't know much about him besides to comments I've read, but I doubt he works for a legit paper, or website.
     
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    I've never heard of him before reading that article, but judging strictly from the quality of the writing (not to mention the over-the-top racism that would never fly at a legitimate publication) he is of no consequence whatsoever.<div>
    </div><div>Still, it irks me that he had the balls to write it anyways. If I ever were to happen to come across him randomly some day...</div>
     
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    Thanks for the kind words and no problem, it needed to be said. I get
    sick of hearing about all these supposed "racist white redneck owners"
    when the reality is NFL ownership is barely 50% Caucasian and decreasing
    rapidly.In fact if Magic Johnson buys out the Chargers it will be LESS than half.
     
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    "Inferiority complex,"Â￾ eh?

    Kind of like the "men"Â￾ who enjoy wearing expensive diamond earrings, large necklaces, fur coats, color-coordinated outfits, and matching shoes? Or the "men"Â￾ who drive cars with gigantic rims? Or the "men"Â￾ who dance like excited little schoolgirls after routine tackles? Or the "men"Â￾ who commit violent crimes (the victims of which are typically women) at alarmingly high rates? Or the "men"Â￾ with who father an outrageous percentage of illegitimate and fatherless children?

    I wonder if those sort of "men"Â￾ do these things in order to compensate for their own physical, sexual, emotional, and mental short-comings?

    The only thing "inferior"Â￾ about white men is their strange, apathetic obedience to their totalitarian, Jew-manipulated (lack of) civil rights.Edited by: Thrashen
     
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    Here is this clown Desi Cortez's statement on Hillis. Check this out.

    Hillis is no hero, he's not battling anything
    but his own limitations, no Black man is slighting and questioning his every
    move or denying, undermining his growth and success, the same can't be
    said for today's Black QB. The nay-sayers, the haters are everywhere. </font></span>






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    This negro is illiterate as well as stupid. Unfortunately he's also typical.
     
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    So the fact that Hillis was denied at Arkansas (bc he is white), had to wait for five far-lesser talented black backs to get injured before he got as chance to play in Denver (and far out-produced them all) and came to Cleveland where he was initially listed as the back-up fullback doesn't mean he is battling racial stereotypes? Please Desi...<div>
    </div><div>And the fact that the Ravens and the murderous thug Ray Lewis called him racist insults and said he was and offensive lineman... this is not a black man slighting or questioning his abilities?</div><div>
    </div><div>What a crock of sh*t. Someone put this idiot out of commission.</div>
     
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    Yeah, someone slip him some of that stuff in his captain crunch that Haiti is crapping itself to death from.
     
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    ...not to mention their new "thang" of sportin' long hair (dreads, braids, etc.) like a'buncha "womernz".[​IMG]
     
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    haha, you can't really use that argument, seeing how there's plenty of white players sporting long hair! (Brady, Hawk, Matthews, Whitehurst, Gallery, Light). Granted, they do look more savage and manly that their black or especially Poly counterparts (check out Peko's hairdo...)
     
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    There's an article on BleacherReport that talks about how fullbacks should not be discarded in the modern NFL and how they can be so successful to a team's success. Cool.<div>
    </div><div>Near the bottom it talks about Mike Alstott being a an excellent fullback who got to carry the ball and excelled in short-yardage situations. Cool.</div><div>
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    </div><div>It says players like John Kuhn and Peyton Hillis shouldn't be taken from their natural position (fullback) because they allow smaller players to catch passes, run sweeps etc.</div><div>
    </div><div>I agree for Kuhn, he could be like Mike Alstott. But in no way shape or form is Peyton Hillis' natural position a fullback. He is a running back, pure and simple. This article seems a blatant attempt to convince DWFs that this big white guy isn't freakishly talented and athletic for a running back, but that he should be playing the Caste-friendly fullback position.</div><div>
    </div><div>It has been several weeks since the Browns last played. The PtB is in full-swing to shift Hillis to fullback in the off-season. It has begun.</div>
     
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    " . . .they allow smaller players to catch passes"

    Which smaller RB in the league has better hands than Hillis? Sproles? Rice? Please.
     
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    Exactly my point! The article is suggesting that Hillis move back to his natural position - Fullback. It is a thinly veiled swipe at him being white. It suggests he is the same as Alstott and Kuhn.<div>
    </div><div>Hillis has had the best hands on the team at Arkansas, Denver and Cleveland. He was the absolute best running back on Denver's roster; he proved this year to be one of the very best RUNNING BACKS in the entire NFL, and this despite having the worst supporting cast of anyone.</div><div>
    </div><div>P.S.... Alstott was a 6', 205lbs running back before he was told to bulk up in college. Who knows how great he might have been if he played around 225 lbs?</div>
     
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    Great points warhawk! Still, it's going to be hard for the PTB to blacklist Hillis from playing tailback. I believe I read that Hillis was 3rd in fan voting for the AFC Pro Bowl and ended up as an alternate after the players and media got their 1/3 a piece say. Add to this scenario the spectacle and bad press in McDaniels' downward spiral and finally his firing. There were even some articles on caste media outlets like ESPN and SI etc. that mentioned Hillis deserved a role as a tailback with the Broncos in 2009.

    I'd be shocked if Hillis doesn't get 200 carries next year, although ideally I'd like to see him just barley surpass 300. [​IMG]
     
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    ToughJRiggins, my sentiments exactly! Hillis can easily handle 300 carries. He had 270 this year, and despite what the PTB say, he was no more worn down than backs such as MJD or Peterson, etc.<div>
    </div><div>Plus, when you figure Hillis did his substantial damage as literally the only offensive threat for the Browns, makes it all the more remarkable.</div><div>
    </div><div>Next year he should get 300 carries and, if the Browns upgrade their RT &amp; RG and WRs, will take substantially fewer hits than he did this year. If they do that and he gets 285-320 carries we're looking at a back who will putt up 1300-1500 yards.</div>
     
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    Alstott was also considered a "tweener" coming out of college for a FB even though he played RB at Purdue. It was obvious even at nearly 260 lbs that Mike played at in the NFL that the few times he started he had the ability to be an elite RB but not ONE single team was willing to give him a chance at RB. I think a 230 pond Alstott could easily have had 1,200-1,500 4.5 YPC and 10-20 TD's as a starting RB every year in his prime.
     
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    JReb1, totally agree. Mike Alstott, though not as great as Hillis, was a very good athlete. As a 245 lbs guy coming out of Purdue he ran a 4.6. Same speed as guys like Moreno, Wells, Mendenhall, etc today. Faster than Emmit Smith, Jerome Bettis, etc. from his day.<div>
    </div><div>He was probably 15 lbs overweight from his ideal. But even then he had the ability to run for 1,000 yards if he was every given enough carries. Some will say his 3.9 career average proves he was not good enough to be an elite back if given the chance, but much of the bulk of his carries came in short yardage situations where everyone knew he was getting the ball up the gut... definitely hurts the YPC.</div><div>
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    The late Joel Buschbaum, in his scouting report on Alstott, predicted he would do just that. Buschbaum wrote someting like, "Alstott brings back the days of Larry Csonka and John Riggins.
     

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