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Gruden screwed over several talented White receivers at Tampa, Danny Farmer among them. He also demoted the great Mike Alstott. In Gruden's first year, 2002, Alstott gained 548 yards rushing, but then his production dropped off a cliff -- starting in '03, 77 yards, 230 yards, 80 yards, and 171 yards in '06 his last year. Some of that dropoff was due to injuries, but a lot of it wasn't. I can't remember a Gruden-coached team at either Oakland or Tampa I would call relatively White friendly.

I never liked Gruden at all as a head coach, but I do respect his work as an analyst for Monday Night Football. He's been fair in his often over the top flattery for players, I'm hoping that will be reflected in his next go-round as a head coach after a long time away, but I'm not going to be overly optimistic. Also, his brother in Washington is pretty bad, though working for Dan Snyder there's probably nothing he can do about the basic make-up of his team.

Funny you mention it because I couldn't stand him as a coach either. Not sure why I was rooting for the Raiders in that Super Bowl although I suspect I had a bet on the game--something I don't do anymore. Apart from S Lynch and some play by WR JOE J I don't recall much of a white presence on his teams especially on defense.

That said it will be interesting to see how Gruden drafts and shapes the team. But perhaps even more pressing is who takes over for him as the Monday Night Football color analyst. Gruden has been that rare announcer to point out and effusively praise the athletic ability of certain white players. I grew to like him an awful lot. Will they fill his spot with someone similarly inclined? This is a big hire for ESPN. They need a dynamic voice with some authority. Someone with a clear speaking voice. And of course someone not embroiled in caste talk.
 

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Gruden is overrated in the booth and on the field. I do like the fact that he will talk up our men.
 

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So, I was listening to the Bronco's post-season press conference a couple of hours ago featuring Elway and head coach Vance Joseph. Apparently, in addition to the OC who was fired several weeks ago, six other assistant coaches (I'm guessing the majority of them were White) were canned and the focus was on the current QBs as needing to play better. Amazing how many other individuals and their families will be forever impacted because of the fear of ridding themselves of a black head coach.

Obviously the term "The buck stops with me." Does not apply to black head coaches or affelets 'wiff' upside for that matter in 2018.
 

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It appears that Marvin X can coach the Bengals for as long as he’d like. I guess the only way we can be rid of him is when he retires or decides to part ways to “pursue other interests”. Bengals ownership literally seems deathly afraid to fire this underachieving negro.
 
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When Elway is afraid of Vance Joseph instead of the other way around, you know something's seriously wrong with the NFL.
 

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If there ever was a time where either an alternative professional football league like the XFL (or MAGAFL (a bad name, really)) would be created or the NFL's strangle-hold on professional football broken up, it would be now under the Trump administration. When an organization like the Cleveland Browns can go 0-16 and 1-31 over the past two seasons and the head coach (essentially the operations manager) is still retained, then it's obvious that a free market doesn't exist and something needs to be done, especially if they are partially subsidized by Federal taxpayer dollars in any way.

I don't know how the NFL is structured from a business standpoint...whether they'd even be subject to Anti-Trust laws as I think that was played out in court a few decades ago, but maybe under a new FTC Chairman something could be done to break them up or make them subject to some level of accountability to their fans.

I don't see a viable competitor to the NFL, like the XFL, as McMahon's $100 million is a pittance today. It would take a serious group of investors with several billion dollars combined and a unique business plan to make it happen. It would have to be done during the same Fall season, not in the Spring.

Perhaps something along these lines...the stadiums should be shared across leagues (especially if they were partially or fully taxpayer funded) with schedules worked around each other, like when one team is away at another shared stadium, the other league has the stadium. For instance, Cleveland would also have another professional football team, like the Cleveland Barbarians, and they would play at FirstEnergy stadium on September 12th while the Cleveland Browns played away on that date. With just that bit of additional competition, do you think Hue Jackson would survive a 1-31 record over two seasons or would Cleveland professional football fans abandon them and just go to the Cleveland Barbarian games and buy their merchandise and paraphernalia?

I know this hasn't been thought out anywhere near thoroughly... just throwing out some ideas.

A competing league would start with enormous financial disadvantages. How could any company compete with a so called charity that has all of the television, cable, and satellite attention the NFL gets? Remember, the NFL does not exist simply as an entertainment business, yes it is entertainment for some, but it exists in its present form as economic appeasement for blacks, and social and cultural manipulation for whites.
 

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Thinking about the black coaching carousel a bit more, if memory serves Jim Caldwell was a bit of a “surprise” fire by the lions. Vance, Hue, and Marvin all had writing on the wall of at least one of them getting fired at seasons end but then all magically retaining their jobs. Perhaps there’s an unwritten quota-coach minimum the league has? With the firing of Caldwell the number currently stands at 6

At a minimum there has to be a ton of pressure to keep them at all costs from the league offices
 

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Thinking about the black coaching carousel a bit more, if memory serves Jim Caldwell was a bit of a “surprise” fire by the lions. Vance, Hue, and Marvin all had writing on the wall of at least one of them getting fired at seasons end but then all magically retaining their jobs. Perhaps there’s an unwritten quota-coach minimum the league has? With the firing of Caldwell the number currently stands at 6

At a minimum there has to be a ton of pressure to keep them at all costs from the league offices
Let's all hope they fail BIG LEAGUE in 2018!
 

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BSPN has articles up about the Fritz Pollard Alliance and their hope that the Raiders respect the Rooney Rule. It amazes me that no one will call this out for what it is as well as move the conversation over to white players. It's such an easy topic to bring up and plenty of ammunition on our side to make a federal case out of the systemic discrimination of white players.
 

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When Elway is afraid of Vance Joseph instead of the other way around, you know something's seriously wrong with the NFL.
Elway did seem nervous and apprehensive. It was kind of weird because he usually comes off as confident and self-assured. They interviewed some of the (black) players and they all liked Vance Joseph and wanted him to be retained. My guess is that Elway and others in similar positions in the league are afraid of a rebellion on the plantation as much as anything else if they fire a black coach, so they are maintained and scapegoats created.

Many of these organizations in the NFL remind me of congressional districts that are in nearly all black areas and full of dysfunction but keep electing the same unqualified black politician to represent them...but nothing ever changes and the dysfunction remains. If they (either the coaches or politicians) had any honor they'd resign.
 

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A competing league would start with enormous financial disadvantages. How could any company compete with a so called charity that has all of the television, cable, and satellite attention the NFL gets? Remember, the NFL does not exist simply as an entertainment business, yes it is entertainment for some, but it exists in its present form as economic appeasement for blacks, and social and cultural manipulation for whites.
The NFL should be forcibly broken up into two separate leagues. AFL, NFL.
 

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Marvin X “one and done” Lewis gets a two year extension

Amazing that Lewis, Joseph, and Jackson should have all been canned but “amazingly” all retain their jobs for essentially “trying hard and doing their best” in difficult situations (that they themselves created)
Lewis should have been canned after Adam Jones went Pacman Jones in the playoff game against the zebra after the Burfict penalty for a cheap shot head hunt on the Steeler's receiver.

The Browns are notoriously frugal and the run the club like a CFL or an even lower minor league team but they didn't have any reason to extend Lewis.

Lewis seems to be the Black version of Jeff Fisher....
 

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Apparently, the entire coaching staff as well as all of the (black, I'm assuming) players, "turned" on Derek Carr after their week 14th loss.

“This coaching staff turned on Derek Carr as well. After the Kansas City game they called him out in front of a whole team meeting. It wasn’t just the offense or the quarterbacks, (or) a segment of the team. It was the whole team," Papa said. "And they ripped him in front of everybody and Derek’s a prideful guy.”

“But when you have a head coach that’s not designing the play (and) calling the play and then second-guessing the play and the quarterback’s play on a certain play, it doesn’t go well.”
 

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The Raiders threw a game earlier in the season because Carr stood for the national anthem. That sealed his fate then and there on the blackest team in league history.

It should have been a huge national story dramatically affecting the integrity of the NFL, not much different than the infamous "Black Sox" of a century ago that everyone still hears and reads about, but was quickly deposited in the memory hole. That's how things work in an Orwellian society.

Black Jack Del Rio used to rip Matt Jones in front of his whole team, too. The laid-back Jones never had a chance in Jacksonville. Del Rio is a despicable piece of crap.
 

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Other posters have mentioned the alleged "rift" in the Patriots organization over the past month or two. Nobody knows for sure what happened, but the most logical chronology of events is that Tom Brady's friend, mentor, nutritionist, trainer and business partner of his business (TB12 Sports), Alex Guerrero, was banned by Bill Belichick from being present on the sideline during home games, from traveling with the team during road games, or from treating/training any Patriot players other than Brady. A few years back, I can remember a "clash" between Guerrrero and the Patriots medical/training staff, but nothing came of it.

Another rumor is that Gurerro's banning from all organized team activities caused friction between Brady and Belichick that the legendary coach was so perturbed about the situation that he planned to trade Brady after this season and make Jimmy Garroppolo (who Belichick really liked as a player) the starter at QB in 2018. Apparently, Patriots owner, Robert Kraft, stepped in and forced Belichick to trade Garroppolo and keep Brady. Since Jimmy was playing on the final year of his rookie deal, the Pats would have had to either franchise Garropplo or sign him to a new deal.

A Boston Globe article about the situation...

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/p...ex-guerrero/NgoTiMHsA7UfWyG3jtquVI/story.html

Hogan and Burkhead should return for the playoffs, so I'll be rooting hard for this team against the other ultra-black AFC teams (Bills, Titans, Jaguars) and moderately-black teams (Steelers, Chiefs). I hope this weird situation with Guerrero doesn't become a distraction and the team can once again reach the SB.
 

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Other posters have mentioned the alleged "rift" in the Patriots organization over the past month or two. Nobody knows for sure what happened, but the most logical chronology of events is that Tom Brady's friend, mentor, nutritionist, trainer and business partner of his business (TB12 Sports), Alex Guerrero, was banned by Bill Belichick from being present on the sideline during home games, from traveling with the team during road games, or from treating/training any Patriot players other than Brady. A few years back, I can remember a "clash" between Guerrrero and the Patriots medical/training staff, but nothing came of it.

Another rumor is that Gurerro's banning from all organized team activities caused friction between Brady and Belichick that the legendary coach was so perturbed about the situation that he planned to trade Brady after this season and make Jimmy Garroppolo (who Belichick really liked as a player) the starter at QB in 2018. Apparently, Patriots owner, Robert Kraft, stepped in and forced Belichick to trade Garroppolo and keep Brady. Since Jimmy was playing on the final year of his rookie deal, the Pats would have had to either franchise Garropplo or sign him to a new deal.

A Boston Globe article about the situation...

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/p...ex-guerrero/NgoTiMHsA7UfWyG3jtquVI/story.html

Hogan and Burkhead should return for the playoffs, so I'll be rooting hard for this team against the other ultra-black AFC teams (Bills, Titans, Jaguars) and moderately-black teams (Steelers, Chiefs). I hope this weird situation with Guerrero doesn't become a distraction and the team can once again reach the SB.

This situation is no big deal. The team's management is just staying out of legal trouble with the State. Whatever Guerrero is doing the State most likely won't license anyway.
 

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I wonder if Davis is smart enough to know he has to clean house completely at the Raiduhs, everyone except the starting franchise QB should on the block. I think he is since scum bucket Rio is gone and rumors abound of Gruden coming in.
 

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The NFL should be forcibly broken up into two separate leagues. AFL, NFL.

Who would take such an initiative without compiling evidence for reasons to do it? None want to do any investigations and none want to interfere with anything that blacks have success with because blacks have so little success at anything. The contrivance it seems will continue for some time yet.
 

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Black Jack Del Rio used to rip Matt Jones in front of his whole team, too. The laid-back Jones never had a chance in Jacksonville. Del Rio is a despicable piece of crap.

I hate when that happens. Maybe I should not hold it against him, one instance does not make a trend, but I remember Jon Gruden just blasting Chris Simms at a mini-camp or training camp his rookie year. Chris had gotten some verbiage wrong on a play call and Gruden made a spectacle out of it. Cameras were rolling too, which made it a very public ass chewing.
 

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It appears that Marvin X can coach the Bengals for as long as he’d like. I guess the only way we can be rid of him is when he retires or decides to part ways to “pursue other interests”. Bengals ownership literally seems deathly afraid to fire this underachieving negro.

As the AP reports: Coach Marvin Lewis got a two-year contract extension Tuesday, providing more chances to try to get the Cincinnati Bengals that playoff victory that has eluded him for 15 seasons.

The agreement came after a second straight losing season and two days of discussions with owner Mike Brown. Lewis has the second-longest active coaching tenure in the NFL, behind Bill Belichick's 18 seasons with New England.

Unlike Belichick, who has won five Super Bowls and made two other appearances in the title game, Lewis is 0-7 in the playoffs, the worst coaching record in NFL history. The Bengals haven't won a playoff game since the 1990 season, the sixth-longest streak of futility in league history.

Paul Brown Stadium was half-empty for the final home game, an indication fans had given up on the team and were hoping for change.

Instead, Brown decided to stay the course and keep Lewis, who wanted more say over the coaching staff and the roster if he stayed.

What's wrong with this picture? Nothing if one knows how the NFL works. I'd like to say Paul Brown is rolling in his grave at how his son runs the Bengals, but I'm sure Paul Brown, George Halas, Vince Lombardi and the rest of the old school coaches would have adapted and "grown" and today would have teams much like any other NFL franchise. The evolution (devolution) of Don Shula during his long coaching career is a prime example.
 

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Pro Football Focus released it's list of the top ten rookies. Offensive tackle Ryan Ramczyk was rated 5th. Christian McCaffrey and Cooper Kupp received honorable mentions.
 
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