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  1. icsept

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    Steve Hutchinson makes the HOF. Also, Troy Polamalu. As a Cowboys and Patriots fan, I hated Polamalu. But, he was truly a dangerous, unique player, and a caste buster. Poly’s get special treatment as linemen, and occasionally linebackers and full backs; but not speed positions. His induction is well deserved.
     
  2. dwid

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    I don't think that's true, I remember 2 plodders Matt Asiata and Kahlil Bell both got significant carries at tailback and they both sucked. Had they been White there's no way they would have gotten 100s of carries.

    Kahlil Bell's college career
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    Then his measurables are bad, a 4.77 40, but is given a roster spot over Jake Sharp, who not only put up better numbers in college, but also had elite measurables. It's not like Bell was some huge power back either, he weighed 212 pounds at the combine.

    Matt Asiata and Zach Line were around the same size ( Zach was slightly bigger and faster) but Zach never got to run the ball in the NFL, except short yardage out of the fullback spot. Asiata wasn't even good, 3.5 ypc as a featured guy
     
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  3. Tannehill17

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    A white QB with such mediocre numbers would never be drafted in the 1st round. He throws interceptions at a Jameis Winston like level. The common excuses for him were "well he lost all his receivers and tight ends" Notice guys like Jake Fromm aren't allotted those same excuses.
     
  4. Leonardfan

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    Justin Herbert is getting knocked for "not showing up in big games". His best receiving option was his TE Breeland who was lost halfway throughout the season. Herbert had a stellar senior campaign (32/6 TD-INT Ratio) culminating in a Rose Bowl victory and he is still getting bashed. Jordan Love is getting every excuse in the book though. Time will tell if the Love hype is more of the amateur draft hack community or if the NFL actually thinks he is a legitimate round 1 pick. I think we are now seeing the mindset that the sheeple have for every other position since the caste system's implementation being ingrained into the QB position as well which is why I feel so strongly about supporting white QBs and tearing down the black ones.

    I believe Teddy Melonhead will be moving on from New Orleans and another team will be fooled into signing him to some contract as their franchise QB, Brees will return and mentor Hill and then bow out after the 2020 season. Hill should be 4 years younger but his Mormonism caused him to stick around school until he was 24 so he will be 30 this year. I personally think Fromm would be an ideal long term candidate to replace Brees. He is being overlooked early in the draft process IMO.
     
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    Yea there's alot of red flags. 4th round backup / project qb at best. People keep comparing to Mahomes but I don't see it. Mahomes was a bit more polished and a stronger arm. Even then, he lucked into a good situation.
     
  6. Leonardfan

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    For having such a strong arms the number of times the DB was able to intercept it before the ball to the WR was pretty astonishing. I really see nothing special there - only a few of the ints were a result of direct pressure and him being flushed from the pocket - most of them were bad throws due to poor field awareness and not being able to see the field. Nothing about him is a 1st round prospect - Jacoby Brissett 2.0
     
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    Read an article by Yardbarker that the Patriots are looking at trading for a veteran q.b. if Brady leaves. One q.b. they are looking at is Cam Newton who is expected to be traded this offseason. Newton has a 21.1 million cap for the 2020 season which would be lower than Bradys.
     
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    Zac Thomas failed to make H.O.F. I guess a 13 yr career with a thousand tackles 17 ints and 20.5 sacks is good enough to be voted in.
     
  9. La France Blanche

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    One good thing about that would be all the "We Hate the Pats" DWFs getting some severe cognitive dissonance between that and their need to show manlove to sCam.

    At any rate, the Patriots haven't been a White-friendly team for a while. In many games they were only starting 5 Whites - lower than the NFL average.
     
  10. FootballDad

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    BBQ Brissett isn’t a turnover machine though, just a dink n dunk game manager. Love is more Deshone Kizer 2.0.
     
  11. Don Wassall

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    So I'm reading this Packers-oriented article about possible free agents for the team to sign, and the writer, someone named Zach Kruse, is being very complimentary about Nick Kwiatkoski. I'm thinking great, Nick definitely would make for a dynamite ILB duo teamed with the great Blake Martinez, perennially one of the top five linebackers in the league. Then I get to the last line. Read it for yourself:

    Linebacker: Nick Kwiatkoski

    A fourth-round pick of the Bears in 2016, Kwiatkoski shined when thrust into a bigger role during both the 2017 and 2019 season. This past season, he looked like an ascending player with a legitimate starting-level skillset after taking over for injured starter Danny Trevathan. He’s always been tough against the run, but he also proved effective dropping into coverage and capable as a blitzer, giving him the potential for three-down ability. Quarterbacks had a 66.0 passer rating when targeting him in coverage, and he produced six pressures – including three sacks – on just 22 blitzes. In Week 15, he nearly intercepted Aaron Rodgers while covering Jimmy Graham down the seam, and he later bowled through a blocker for a big sack. Kwiatkoski could be the upgrade on Blake Martinez that the Packers defense needs.

    https://packerswire.usatoday.com/20...erriman-make-sense-as-fa-targets-for-packers/
     
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  12. Bucky

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    Blake has become the scapegoat for DWFs and team writers everywhere. Despite being a tackling machine he's "too slow" and "doesn't make enough impact plays".

    Ridiculous, no one ever calls out Pettines stupid nickel and dime defenses leaving Blake to cover a lot of ground, and no other true LBs on the team.

    It would be awesome for The Packers to re-sign Martinez and bring in Schobert or Kwiatkowski as his equal, not replacement.. But apparently Packers are hell bent on getting rid of Martinez..
     
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  13. Extra Point

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    The football media and the DWFs want to get rid of all white players all of the time. The situation with the outstanding linebacker Blake Martinez is but one example. Why would you want to replace a guy who is a perennial league leader in tackles?
     
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    It's not only due to possible self-hate, but also a real belief in black athletic supremacy by both ignorant DWFs and many coaches, which is something that is indoctrinated into nearly every American since an early age, the game must somehow "evolve" and get better if replacement happens despite it's often miserly status today.
     
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  15. Bucky

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    Spot on post!!
     
  16. Truthteller

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    Bucky and EP, the DWF's and the media are taking Blake Martinez to task over his coverage skills. Pro Football Reference's advanced stats have crunched all defenders coverage numbers the last 2 seasons (2018 & 2019) and they do show Martinez struggled a bit last season. Blake was better in coverage in 2018, according to PFR's objective, Advanced Stats, which I like a lot because they tend to vindicate a lot of white linebackers and safety's who are unfairly criticized by the media.

    That said, Blake's stats were not absolutely horrific, considering most targets against linebackers are short throws to tight end or fullbacks/tailbacks, so completion percentages against linebackers tend to be pretty high. Even many Pro Bowl linebackers allow 75% or greater completion percentages. For example, 49ers' Kwon Alexander, a 2017 Pro Bowler who reportedly possess 4.5-something speed at outside linebacker, was signed to a 4 year/$54 million contract last spring. That's quite a bit of money for a linebacker that was burned for a 92.3 % completion percentage in six games for Tampa (prior to injury) back in 2018. Any white linebacker toasted at that rate would be out of the NFL or permanently relegated to special teams, likely....not be handed $54 mill/27 guaranteed as a free agent.

    Another example of the Caste system at work? Joe Schobert had a fantastic 59.6% completion percentage against him in 2018. Even though his completion percentage bumped up to 69.1% in 2019 it was still good. He also went from 1 Int to 4 Int's in 2019 and yielded less yards per target. Yet he's seen as a mid-level free-agent target by some? Meanwhile, in 2018, C.J. Mosley posted similar coverage stats to Schobert and had nearly 30 less tackles than Schobert in 2019. Jets signed Mosley away from Baltimore for a stunning 5 year/$85 million contract last spring. Schobert deserves at least that much (according to the stats), but does anyone here think that will happen in this virulently anti-white, Jewish run league?

    Don't want to bore posters and lurkers with too many stats, but for several years Aunt Crissy (ex-Bengals WR/turned NBC caste-stodge deluxe) has had a serious "man-crush" on ex-Broncos/Bears linebacker Danny Trevathan. Last season, for Chicago, he was burned for a 87.5 % completion percentage prior to injury. In contrast, Nick Kwiatkoski only yielded a fantastic 59.5 % completion percentage last season and a terrific 4 yards per target. Granted, it was a fairly small sample. But that "small sample", coupled with his run defending skills and speed while blitzing, should be good enough to really tantalize potential suitors. Even if his completion percentage against went up a full 10 percent next season, he'd still be above average in coverage.
     
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    The players and the owners appear to be on a collision course over the issue of the desire for a 17 game schedule. There are so many things involved it would take forever to go through all the items. I am for it as long as they put in better measures to prevent serious injuries and that the players get something in return.

    The proposed 17 game schedule would include two bye weeks and one game for each team to be played on neutral sites which would include foreign countries like Ireland and the UK ( where there would be the most games and it was also just announced that the Jags will play two consecutive London games this upcoming season), Brazil, Germany and Mexico. Plus college football stadiums.

    In return the players will get some cookies.

    Probably in the minority here and while I didn't like the idea of a bye week when it was first instituted I am all for a 17 game schedule which would stretch out the season deeper into February which is the worst sports month of the year for things to watch. Once the NFL season ends there is a terrible lull.

    I could care a less about player's comfort levels or jet lag when you consider that millions of Americans have to deal with much harsher working conditions and a hell of a lot less pay than these pampered and spoiled rich athletes. Many regular people have jobs today that are beyond awful and they receive zero sympathy.

    I think the player's concern about the increase in injuries is legitimate though but I am hoping the owners are able to offer enough counter measures to sweeten the pot. I have said for years now that the NFL should adopt the tougher college rule in regards to targeting since players are rightly most concerned about head injuries. I don't think though that has been discussed unfortunately. One thing being discussed would be an expanded roster which I think is a must and less training camp time. Already the owners said they would reduce the preseason down to I believe two games. And some increases in player compensation has also been discussed. Etc.

    Right now it appears the players will reject the offer which could lead to a work stoppage after next season. Unless the owners can sweeten this pot enough (they are thinking of waiving their current marijuana rules too no pun intended ha) this could end up in a confrontation.
     
  18. Don Wassall

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    Especially marijuana cookies. Being able to smoke weed with no fear of penalty is at the top of the NFLPA's list of priorities. The vast majority of black players smoke, with a fair number being potheads. I think marijuana should be decriminalized, but if I was a professional athlete it would be something to avoid. Just the negative effect on one's wind and aerobic capacity is reason enough not to indulge.
     
  19. Shadowlight

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    Ha. In my life experience people that I have known who were heavily into smoking pot are generally fried. Wouldn't that be something if the "marijuana issue" is the one that takes the players over the top into accepting the 17 game schedule?
     
  20. Leonardfan

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    I think the 17 week season is just another example of the NFL getting as greedy as possible. I would not mind a work stoppage again. It would add to the attrtion of fans due to the whole BLM kneeler issue.

    Expanded rosters won’t help white athletes much at all. When they expanded the practice squads I initially believed it could lead to more white athletes getting a chance but I was proven wrong so I won’t be fooled again in that regard.

    It would be funny if pot was the one thing that would lead to a 17 game season. The myth about pot having no ill effects on physical/mental health being passed off as truth is scary. In this drug riddled society in which we live in though usage has sadly become widely accepted and the norm.
     
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    It would be an interesting study to see how "reefer madness" increases on the field if pot is okayed by the league. I imagine it would be no small thing. Intriguing.
     
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    Id rather see THC used for pain rather than opioids. Opioids can cause serious physical dependence and people can be dangerous when they become addicted. There's rumours it's handed out like candy in NFL locker rooms. The negative effects of weed are much milder in comparison.

    I was given strong opioids after my car accident and I have to say it made me worse. My tolerance went through the roof and eventually nothing touched the pain but you still have to take the meds otherwise you get flu symptoms except with extreme anxiety and insomnia. It makes you constantly crave more. I got off of it but it took years of struggling. Now I take CBD and a low dose of THC occasionally. It manages the pain better and I don't feel like a junkie if I miss a dose.
     
  23. Leonardfan

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    I think their is a lot that can be done with Marijuana in terms of pain management for sure. Marijuana for pain management is one thing but I feel a lot of these players use it for recreational purposes - I'm not a puritan - I dabbled in it during my college days. I think that their is a danger in the way it is being presented to the public as non-habit forming and having no detrimental side effects - as Don mentioned it can take a toll on you physically but it also rewires your brain - too much pot is not a good thing either. It's a great example of the counter-culture becoming the norm where people who do not use marijuana are looked at as social outcasts (just goes to show how far the pendulum has swung). I won't debate you on opioids at all - They are very potent and are a very big cause to the rising death in middle aged whites. I am glad you were able to find a substitute with the CBD and using THC in moderation.
     
  24. Shadowlight

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    Well I am a Puritan. I have never smoked anything. But well said above. If it is indicated as a safer alternative by medical professionals then that is a good thing. Each case will vary of course. But as long as one is under medical supervision I am all for substances like marijuana if they are the preferred and safer form of treatment.

    But at the recreational level I have seen the destructive effects. There is a reason it has been illegal for all these years. It scrambles the brain and fries it up like an egg if one overindulges.

    I had tricky surgery a while back and figured I could get by with extra strength Tylenol. Think again. I had to take opiates for a very brief time because the pain was off the charts. Although my surgeon gave me a natural opiate which might not mean much but I think they are a bit better and safer than that synthetic stuff. He knew I was against taking drugs at random so he settled for a more natural approach.

    I took a very tiny dose for less than a week but that stuff sneaks up on you. There is a deceptive euphoric feeling and if one isn't careful they could get themselves in trouble real fast. Which is why I think heroin is such an awful thing and it is sad to see young people get ensnared. Because once that stuff nabs them they become powerless to fight against it on their own. Powerful stuff.
     
  25. Leonardfan

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    Yea it's pretty scary when you think of how a lot of opioid addicts get turned onto heroin - it all starts with them getting their hands on the pharmaceutical equivalents and then once those become no longer available they turn to the street drug. I totally agree with you on the negative effects of long term marijuana use - with the pushes to legalize it and neglecting the discussion on any long term effects of recreational abuse - when I think of drug use in this country and how it's being pushed and becoming normalized all I can think of is "Soma" from Brave New World. As an aside I find it ironic when the "left" in this country tries to use Orwell or Huxley to argue their causes for them.
     

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