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  1. Shadowlight

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    Very nicely laid out and I agree. Arians has never come through before so it is difficult to get my hopes up. But like you say this will be a big test for Arians and a final shot at redemption in my eyes. I figure many people here at CF will be closely monitoring the Tampa Bay situation.

    And yes Tampa Bay has drafted a white WR in consecutive years and both are from small schools. Begs the question. Who was the previous team to draft white WRs in consecutive seasons?

    And the apparent dynamic ( that Truthteller cites) between the front office and the new caste leaning coaching staff offers up some intrigue.
     
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  2. Truthteller

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    I agree Heretic. And if you ever watch a hockey game, the crowds do seem to skew a bit younger than other sports. Same with baseball, despite what you see and read from the Caste/Jewish media that falsely claims MLB is a white mans game. I've permanently blocked all ESPN Networks on my TV's since about 2015 because I despise the Commie/white-hating network so much (along with MSNBC, CNBC, CNN, .ect) -- and only briefly unlock ESPN on very rare occasions. Perhaps the only reason I might unlock them for a short while in the next several months is a Dodgers or Rockies game? So not watching ESPN for hi-lights anymore, I go to MLB.com to watch hi-lights online every day. This gives me a real closeup look at the crowds, particularly behind the plate and bleachers (were HR's land). Believe me, baseball has no trouble getting younger fans in the park. And, as Wile sagely noted, a lot of Hipster lefties (White & Asian in particular) claim to love blacks, but avoid them like the plague if they can. Look at the Chicago Cubs, their expensive Bleacher seats are almost entirely filled by younger white hipsters. The Dodgers cheaper bleacher seats, in contrast, seemed to filled with 16 to 30 year old anchor-babies, while mostly older whites populate the more expensive seats closer to the field?

    Tom is probably correct as far as the NFL and the NBA, who's crowds do seem to skew a bit older. A lot of that probably has something to do with corporations buying up tens of thousands tickets to help fill the seats and then handing them out free to their longtime employees, who would never pay good money to watch basically all-black teams. I can't even begin to think how bad things would be for the NBA (especially) in terms of attendance if it wasn't for corporations buying up tickets? I mean how many retarded whites are out there willing to pay an arm and a leg to watch the all black Warriors take on the mostly black Trail Blazers and their radical, hook-nosed Arab center? I know I will not watch a minute of it on TV.


    Shadowlight, did a quick search on your last question. In 2014 Ted Thompson drafted two white receivers in the same draft -- Jared Abberdaris and Jeff Janis in the latter rounds. The year Jordy Nelson was selected in round 2, they selected a goy named Brett Swain in the latter rounds. Nelson and Swain were the only white WR's selected in that draft! While Nelson's career was launched in full during the Super Bowl @ the Steelers, it was Swain's "Waterloo" after he dropped a critical, fairly easy catch in that game. He was gone for good after that drop, next time I saw him he was wearing the green of the Saskatchewan Rough Riders.

    Also, back in the early 2000's Mike Martz of the Rams spent 3rd round picks in consecutive years on Eric Crouch (as a WR) and Kevin Curtis. Crouch refused the chance to play WR and retired for a while. When he finally came to his senses and returned as a safety for the Hamburg franchise in NFL Europe, he was no longer wanted by NFL teams.

    I mentioned in my previous post the early Jacksonville Jaguars that seemed to be very white friendly (compared to other NFL teams) and won a lot early and had huge, adoring crowds. In their first year of existence (1995) they selected Curtis Marsh in round seven. In 1996 they selected Chris Doering in round 7. I know some here are skeptical of Marsh, who had kinky dark hair (Goy with a Jewish Afro?), but I think he's white based on a current photo of him as a coach -- he had kind of Jason Chaffetz/Gilbert Gottfried look as a younger player. Curtis Marsh also has the very rare distinction of having a black and white son in the NFL. Cornerback Curtis Jr. was born to a averaged sized black woman that strongly resembled Saved by the Bell actress Lark Vorhies; Cassius, better known here at CF, was born to a tall, fair-skinned blonde woman. Found photos of both women online.


    To go off topic a bit (again), Gary Bettman refuses to allow the Panthers to leave. Even if he has to find a new stooge to buy the team every 4 to 6 years, he'll do it. He's done the same thing to protect the clubs Arizona and Raleigh, NC. It would be great if Quebec or Hartford could get the Nordiques or Whalers back, via relocation. But that appears to be a pipe dream. Now that Bettman got Las Vegas and Seattle (who he's wanted for years) the next city on his mind is Houston, believe it or not. Houston has an eager buyer (billioniare Tilman Fertitta) and will very likely get a NHL team soon (over much more deserving Northern U.S. and Canadian cities) if the Coyotes fail to secure a new arena in the Phoenix area in the next couple years.

    https://www.click2houston.com/sport...kets-owner-tilman-fertitta-says-it-s-possible
     
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  3. TomIron361

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    Probably a bit of each. But the outdoor sports, football/baseball are doomed in my opinion. Our young men don't play those games for the most part. So they don't go and watch them. But there are quite a few young White men who hike, bike, run, etc. So we'll see what happens.
     
  4. Shadowlight

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    When I was typing the question about WR drafting the Packers draft with Jared A and Jeff Janis in the same draft popped into my head.

    But is the Crouch/Curtis Rams drafting the last time that it has happened in consecutive years? In fact should we even count Crouch?

    Too bad Crouch isn't around today. What a perfect Taysom Hill type of player he would have been. One of my all time favorite college football players.

    And Kevin Curtis was one of my favorite WRs. He had that deep speed and had a couple of terrific seasons most notably his 2007 season with the Eagles where he had a 77-1110-6 stat line.

    Below is a Wiki on Curtis who ran a 4.35 at the combine. And a 4.21 elsewhere. Wonderful breathtaking talent that was under utilized his first few years and then suffered injuries starting in 2008 that pretty much ended his career. Was not big, a little under 6'0" and 185 pounds, but he was a legitimate deep speed threat. Very exciting.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Curtis
     
  5. Truthteller

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    Yes, Shadow, I believe Crouch/Curtis are the last pair. Although, I skimmed through the dark 2000's very quickly and it's possible (but not likely) I made a mistake during that decade?

    Crouch is listed at Pro Football Reference as a WR. He is the only white WR listed in his draft class.....I mentioned the 1995/96 Jaguars drafting Marsh and Doering in the latter rounds consecutive years.

    Last time a team drafted notable white receivers (non quarterback switching positions) was the 1992/1993 Los Angles Rams: Todd Kinchen from LSU round 3 in '92, followed by Sean LaChapelle from UCLA in round 5 in '93. In the current NFL (with 4 extra teams and compensation picks), the speedy Kinchen would've been a 2nd round pick; LaChapelle would've been a 4th rounder. We discussed LaChapelle in the AAF thread back in March, as I noted current Miami Dolphins signee (AAF star) Reece Horn really reminded me of LaChapell. LaChapelle and Brian Stablein from Ohio State were the only white WR's drafted in 1993. The NFL cut the draft from 330 picks in 1992 to 220 in 1993.

    Bill Polian's and Marv Levy's Buffalo Bills in 1991/1992 drafted white WR's consecutive years: They selected Brad Lamb from Anderson (Ind.) 222nd overall in 1991. Then both Chris Walsh from Stanford in the 9th round (251 overall) and Barry Rose of Wisconsin-Stevens Point in round 10 (279 overall) in 1992. Lamb, who bared a striking resemblance to NHL player Ray Ferraro in the early 1990's, was a speedster who returned kicks for the Bills Super Bowl XXVII team, but had a very brief career. Conversely, Walsh had a 11 year NFL career, but mostly as a special teams mascot/5th receiver for the Minnesota Vikings. Rose played 3 games in 1993 with Wade Phillips' Broncos (0 career receptions).

    I think I'll stop at 1991/1992, as going back even more serves little purpose. From the mid 1970's up until 1992 the draft was 12 rounds, which makes it hard to compare to today. Also, I don't know the draftees well enough prior to that, particularly those that did not become notable NFL players.


    Just one quick note: 1998 draft was probably the best draft for white wide receivers throughout the 1990's. Joe Jurevicius going in round 2; Larry Shannon going round 3 and Tim Dwight going in the 4th. No need to focus on Joe J. and Dwight, as most here know their stories. Shannon was considered a rising superstar as a junior at East Carolina in 1996 (39 receptions/21.4 ypc and 9 TD's). I knew nothing about him then, but by his senior season he was popping up as a first round pick on mock drafts due to his size and speed. Mel Kiper even declared on a ESPN telecast that Shannon possessed first round talent. His senior year he was hobbled by nagging injuries and his stats plummeted, but amazingly the Dolphins picked him in round 3. I remember one of the NFL's biggest Caste-clown's ever, Jimmy Johnson, gloating to Pro Football Weekly that he thought Shannon was a "white Randy Moss", and dismissed his injury plagued senior season right after the draft. Nonetheless, Shannon tore his ACL at practice the same day he signed his rookie contract, I believe? Shannon returned in 1999 for just 2 games and was never seen again due to injuries. The 1999 season saw quite a few breakout white receivers posting big numbers, but unfortunately Larry Shannon was not one of them. He never got the chance.
     
  6. Shadowlight

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    Thanks for the information Truthteller. I have to admit I am impressed with your research and historical aptitude.

    I am pretty familiar with Stablein, LaChapelle and of course Todd Kinchen. Brad Lamb and the Bills seems very vague. I do recall Chris Walsh with the Vikings and was surprised to find out he didn't have many stats as a WR.

    Neither obscurities Barry Rose or Larry Shannon ring any sort of bell.

    You got me wondering about Don Beebe and Steve Tasker when you brought up Lamb. Tasker was drafted in 1985 but was essentially a special teams star. Beebe followed in 1989 as a 3rd round pick and he at least initially was mainly a special teams player too but branched out more than Tasker as time went on. Tasker did get a brief moment in the sun at WR later in his career. I remember both of them very well.

    A little off subject but some historical perspective is never a bad thing.
     
  7. backrow

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    Never even heard of Shannon, wasn't following NFL that closely outside of Bucs back then
     
  8. Truthteller

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    Thanks Shadowlight, the AFC Champion Buffalo Bills had Don Beebe and Steve Tasker (special teams gunner) as entrenched members of their roster in the spring of 1991 and 1992 and they still drafted 3 white wide receivers. They also drafted someone named Millard Hamilton (who I assume is black?) 166th overall in 1991, but he never played in a NFL game.

    I guess one could say all three white receivers the Bills drafted in '91/'92 were latter round "long shots", but at least Bill Polian and Marv Levy picked them. The blazing fast Brad Lamb, who I believe has been plagued by serious legal problems as an adult, got to return kicks in a Super Bowl and Chris Walsh was able to find a spot on Dennis Green's Vikings. No small feat, when you consider how "Caste" Green was. During the latter part of the 1990's, when Minnesota had success, they rarely started more than two whites and both were offensive lineman. I guess in order to placate the denizens in the mostly Lilly-white state of Minnesota (prior to Kosher U.S. Senator Wellstone importing the entire nation of Somalia to the state) Green and his staff had a small stable of white backups that were criminally underutilized for several seasons -- including WR Chris Walsh, LB Pete Bercich and DT Jason Fisk, who did become an entrenched starter for most of his 12 year NFL career, once he broke away from Green.

    Shadow, you mentioned Beebe was a third round pick in 1989. Checked out that draft and found the Bills used their next pick (4th round/109 overall) on a wide receiver from Michigan named John Kolesar, who I assume is white? So those Polian/Levy teams certainly were not anti-white. And they were rewarded with 4 straight Super Bowl appearances. Too bad they did not win any, thanks to Scott Norwood?


    Shadow and Backrow, just did a bit more research on Larry Shannon and found very little. Saw he was from Gainsville. No surprise Caste slut Steve Spurrier ignored him when he was right in the Gators backyard? I guess in fairness to Spurrier, he did have Chris Doering (6th round '96) and Travis McGriff (3rd round '99) around the same period and perhaps two white starting receivers was too much for Caste Steve? Only photos of Shannon (as a Dolphin) I can find are some retro-football cards on EBay. Per my recollection he was 100% white. I also distinctly remember Jimmy Johnson referring to him as a "white Randy Moss". In the link/photos below he clearly appears to be white in the Fleer card. That's how I remember him looking -- like a lighter-skinned Eric Decker, when the olive-complexioned Decker had a crew cut. But in the corner of the page, LEAF has a card of Shannon and he is clearly black and looks like a thinner version of HOF defensive end Reggie White? Obviously, anyone who has ever collected cards, knows these companies are notorious for making egregious errors?

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/1998-Ultra-394-Larry-Shannon-Miami-Dolphins-RC-Rookie-Football-Card/233108808724?var=532596158559&_trkparms=aid=222007&algo=SIM.MBE&ao=2&asc=20160323102634&meid=3c51993653d6417e843d610e5d8032e9&pid=100623&rk=4&rkt=6&sd=132803834794&itm=532596158559&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1


    Edit to Clarify Error: New Orleans selected Mike Hass in the sixth round 13 years ago. The prior year they selected Chase Lyman from California (Berkeley) in round 4. So, the Lyman/Hass pairing came along a couple years after Crouch/Curtis. Although like Crouch, Layman and Hass never recorded an NFL reception.

    Hass, who was once quite a favorite here at CF, only played in 2 NFL games: 1 for Chicago and 1 for Seattle. His only extensive playing time in the pros was for the Omaha Skyhawks of the UFL, were his quarterback was non other than Eric Crouch.Lyman, who I believe is white, was tall and fast, but had an injury riddled career at Cal-Berkeley. He never played in a NFL game, even though he was selected in round 4. Probably never even played in a Pre-season game? Career was totally lost due to injuries.
     
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  9. PHillisFan

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    Don’t forget the Bills also drafted Justin Armour from Stanford. He had at least 3 decent seasons in Buffalo in mid 90’s.

    Also, I think Kevin Kasper surfaced with Broncos sometime in early 2000. He was a special teams returner on kickoffs I think.
     
  10. Truthteller

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    You are correct PhillisFan.

    Justin Armour was one of only two white receivers drafted in 1996. That seemed to be a common theme after the draft was cut down from 12 rounds in 1993. Most years throughout the 1990's and into the 2000's only 2 to 3 white wide receivers have been drafted each year. And some years there were only 1 -- Bill Schroeder in 1995; Danny Farmer in 2000 and several other drafts since. Just a few years ago the only white wide receiver picked was from Germany (who's been moved to TE), while several talented U.S. whites like Alex Erickson, Tanner McEvoy and others were criminally ignored.

    There was a time when Mike Shanahan's Denver Broncos were drafting white wide receivers a lot more than others. Patrick Jeffers in 1996. Travis McGriff in 1999 and Kevin Kasper in 2001. Denver came close, but they never did it in consecutive seasons. According to my research, it's only happened 5 times since 1990: Current Tampa Bay Buccaneers; early 2000's St. Louis Rams; mid 1990's, expansion Jacksonville Jaguars early 1990's Los Angeles Rams; Early 1990's Buffalo Bills.

    I'm sure teams drafting black wide receivers in consecutive years is very common. My guess is it's probably happened at least 200 times since 1990? And that might be a low estimate. Heck, the 2018 Packers, once Ted Thompson had to step away as GM for health reasons, drafted 3 black wide receivers in the same draft. Would not surprise me if that (3 black WR's in the same draft) was/is quite common, as teams constantly have to draft future busts to replace their current busts?
     
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  11. Shadowlight

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    Loved Bill Schroeder, a raw but great athlete. Kevin Kasper was another terrific athlete but wasn't given a chance per say. Jeffers was on his way to becoming one of the best until he got wiped out by a criminally minded black DB. The territorial black athlete is not a myth.

    While on that subject one of the NFL "gods" just got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. The NFL and the media loves those LSU boys. They see them as the epitome of athleticism and speed. Why ponder the fact many of these LSU draft prospects peter out in the NFL. Or their behavior is often erratic ( I'm being generous) or that they have suspicious builds. It would improper of me not to mention LSU ten times here because that is how the media approaches everything.

    Perhaps the biggest example of media black athletic worship is the Cards CB Patrick Peterson. Blinding speed and special athletic ability they tell us ten times in a course of an hour. Peterson is not so subtly used as an example to beat white people over the head the implication being no white human being could ever hope to match such speed and athleticism. Did I mention he is from LSU? The school that churns out the super black athlete?

    PP just got nailed for a 6 game PED ban. 6 is up from the usual 4 games so he must have been juicing it up pretty good. But I am sure (cough) that the rest of the black DBs in the NFL are as clean a whistle. Even though most of them look like they are mainlining PEDs is no reason to suspect these innocent men? Then again I have never seen these new wave muscular builds on athletes before so what explains that? Better universal gyms? That must be it right?
     
  12. Don Wassall

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    I remember all these recently mentioned receivers well except for Shannon and they've all been written about on CF, including quite a bit by me, though it's good to see it again as few people will make much of an effort to scour the archives.

    What was notable about the receivers in the 1990s and into the 2000s is how few of them ever got to start. Most were WSTDs and/or backups who were never allowed to move up in the pecking order. It was basically Ricky Proehl and. . . well, just about no one else for a half dozen years in the '90s.

    Chris Walsh really sticks out to me as perhaps the best example of a team mascot. He had 67 career catches in 11 NFL seasons, spending most of his time running down the field like a maniac on kickoffs and punts. I'll never forget watching a Vikings game during which the analyst said that Walsh "specialized in running three yard routes." Can't be much more demeaning than that. And that was about how White receivers were viewed in the '90s. Steve Tasker was uncoverable in practice but had just 51 career catches in 12 seasons, 41 of them in '95-'96 at the end of his career. Very talented receivers like Kinchen and Beebe were greatly underutilized; in fact all of them were.

    What seemed to bump the arc of White receivers upward a bit was when undrafted Wayne Chrebet was made a starter as a rookie in 1995 by the otherwise forgettable Rich Kotite. The next season Ed McCaffrey's prolonged racial apprenticeship ended and he began starting for the Broncos. In '98 Chrebet and McCaffrey both went over 1,000 yards, the first White receivers to do so in 12 years. The next year, 1999, McCaffrey did it again, as did Bill Schroeder and Patrick Jeffers, and a number of other White receivers broke through the second half of '99 only to be "put in their place" the next season or senselessly injured (Jeffers had his knee blown out by the notorious Chad Scott of the Steelers during a meaningless pre-season game in which he shouldn't even have been playing).

    McCaffrey did it again in '00, then there was a four year wait until Brandon Stokley and Drew Bennett broke through in '04. Starting in '06 there has been at least one White receiver or tight end to go over a thousand yards every year, usually more than one.

    So while White receivers are nowhere near being fairly represented in today's NFL -- at least two-thirds would be White if there was a level playing field -- they aren't team mascots and generally looked down upon as they were back when almost none started. And fortunately the "kamikaze" style so many White receivers thought they had to play to see the field at all, with Dwight, McCaffrey and Tom Waddle being examples that come to mind, has pretty much gone by the wayside. Megastars like Welker and Nelson have brought more respect to White receivers in general, though it's clear we're back in a phase where the league and its media partners are determined to eliminate White outside receivers and limit them to playing in the slot, reluctantly acknowledging their quickness but still pretending that no White men have good deep speed, even in a league filled with black outside receivers who ran mediocre and worse 40s at the Combine.
     
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  13. Shadowlight

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    Very nice post by Don simplifying a complex white WR history but sorting it out and bringing out the essentials. I tend to agree with the make shift events and players you mention up above.

    Brandon Stokely is another great example. I know there were some injuries but still when he started off in Baltimore in 1999 and played four seasons there he resembled the type of WRs Don mentions above. A fill in type that barely registered although he had a big Super Bowl moment. Then Stokely gets to Indy and instantly becomes a star having his best season in 2004 with a 68-1077-10 stat line.

    Remarkably Stokely hung around for a long time by white WR NFL standards and played into his late 30's. He was a gifted athlete. But I found it odd to discover he played for the Broncos between 2007-2009. I can't even recall that. Then he returned to Denver in 2012 and caught 45 passes at the age of 36!

    But speaking of the Broncos they have quite a lineage of great white WRs. And I am not even counting speedster TE Tony Scheffler who played for them from 2006 to 2009.

    Eric Decker, after two monster seasons ended up on the Jets somehow. Decker's 2012 stat line was 85-1064. In 2013 it was 87-1288-11. Sounds like a franchise player right? Next season he was gone.

    But as good as Decker was Ed McCaffrey was even better. Like Don mentions it took a while but once he took off he soared. Ed was with them from 1993 to 2003. In November of 1998 SI featured him in a lengthy piece. He was a true star. I was a huge fan.

    But I am not so sure I could place Easy Ed over Steve Watson the Adam Theilen like smooth customer who was lighting up defenses for several years. Watson played with Denver from 1979-1987.

    I guess John Elway ( does he know what he is doing?) has forgotten this great white WR lineage in Denver. He never drafts white WRs.

    It seems yet again we are at an important juncture and crossroad. Will the outside white WR return in the NFL or are we looking at another black hole situation?
     
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    While in general announcing crews are noticeably less caste ( with wicked exceptions like Dick Vitale and a few others) than they used to be. It is in my opinion the main reason for that is this site.

    That said things really aren't much better if at all. The black cloud ESPN network controls the daily narrative and it is nearly 100% black driven 24/7. This was not the case in the 1990's or even the 2000's. The constant black athlete worshipping has never been this in your face. In the history of modern day sports. This is a new disturbing wrinkle. And people like Mike Greenberg are leading the way.

    And while white athletes aren't as demeaned as often as they once were ( in general) one can't ignore the fact that many white players basically don't exist like DBs and outside receivers. So indirectly they are still being demeaned. Not having say white DBs is still demeaning in it's own way.

    But here is a perfect example of how the ESPN machine directs sports talk traffic. I thought one of the biggest stories this morning would be the six game suspension of CB Patrick Peterson a player who is routinely viewed as the best CB in the NFL eight years and counting.

    Mike Greenberg, who is worse than any caste clown we care to mention back in the day and the Golic and Wingo show apparently completely avoided the Peterson topic.

    What was doubly striking about this suspension and why it wasn't the usual four games was that a masking agent was discovered.

    I have followed sports my whole life and was around athletes in my youth. This should be a big story because it seems to me that many of the black DBs in college and the NFL appear to be using some sort of PED. Do I have direct proof? Not exactly but I played sports when I was younger and lifted weights and something strikes me as fishy about this whole PED subject. The same thing goes on in Track and Field. Only Tennis has a substantial testing process and what do you know that is still, outside of hockey, the whitest sport going.

    That the best CB in the league was caught cheating and masking should cause alarm. It should also bring the NFL back to the drawing board so they can find a way to implement much stricter drug testing procedures. And why hasn't anyone broached the subject of so many black player's ultra muscular and often bizarre physiques? Are they afraid of opening a can of worms that would place the black athlete in a bad light? That sounds like a possibility?

    So far, apart from the usual NFL reporters, this story has been cut off. Crickets.
     
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  15. white is right

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    I think the NFL has political protection too, as bad as the PED abuse was in baseball(it still might be), the NFL judging by the bodies of various players is clearly worse. Yet baseball had an inquiry, the NFL top brass hide their heads in the sand like proverbial ostriches, so they won't launch a PED investigation. Yet congress won't threaten to end their anti-trust protection like they did with baseball?

    I will say this some independent type reporters have written books on the PED use of the NFL and some retired players have too, but it's always players that aren't getting 6 figures to 7 figure jobs in the league or commenting on the league. That type of player unless they want to be banished to devils island won't bite the hand that feeds them......
     
  16. Shadowlight

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    I couldn't agree more. Baseball has always been the main focus when it comes to PEDs. And yes their testing is stricter than the NFL. Then again the NFL has the least strict policies. But baseball testing isn't the strictest out there either.

    Even at the height of the baseball steroid scandal no one even broached the subject of football players.

    Sure the NFL got on board and installed their own drug policy directives but it has always been a half hearted affair as opposed to say tennis, which I mentioned above, which instituted procedures with some teeth in it. The NBA followed a similar path to the NFL.

    After the baseball scandal blew over the media has been fairly reluctant to stay on top of the issue.

    For me the masking agents should be of deep concern. As part of Joe Public I am completely in the dark on the subject. I mean are the newer sophisticated masking agents able to override the drug testing procedures?

    Again it all goes back to my instincts as a person who was always around athletes growing up and now as I have gotten older am someone who watches a lot of sports with some historical reference as a guide.

    Something just doesn't seem right to me. These athletes ( mostly black) do not look right to me.
     
  17. rockybleier

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    When was the last time we had this many true running backs in camp?

    McCaffrey
    Burkhead
    Zenner
    Nall
    AJO
    Laird

    Plus some hybrid fullbacks and QB’s.....
     
  18. Freethinker

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    Chris “Cuck” Long is retiring, probably so he can build wells in Africa full-time.

    As much as I despise this SJW anti-White twerp, he was a very good player at many times throughout his 11 years in the NFL. He retires as the top father / son sacks duos with Howie. Clay Matthews Jr can break that record however with a mere 2 sacks this year.
     
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    Very True! Happy to hear this. Fingers crossed for Nall especially. Great size/ Speed combo
     
  20. Extra Point

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    The Packers released a publicity photo of first round draft pick Rashan Gary in a Packers uniform wearing 52, Clay Matthews's old number. The Packers didn't even offer Matthews a contract for this season.

    There's no way Gary will ever accomplish what Matthews did with the Packers.
     
  21. Shadowlight

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    The only good thing I can say about Gary is he didn't show up at the draft wearing a dress like his teammate Devin Bush, who was drafted by the Steelers.

    Gary is the epitome of the modern day black defensive player. He tested off the charts but his play on the field is mediocre. No instincts. No smarts. Just a dummy who runs around the field making a splash play every once in a while usually by accident.

    Another wing and prayer type player drafted because of this invisible upside that nine out of times never comes to fruition.

    You see the type. They are all over defenses in the Big 12. So fast. So athletic. So gifted. All black of course. Can't tell by the final score though. Hard to get excited by defenders who play in games where the final score is 59-56. Simple reason. They don't understand how to play defense. Running around looking sharp in your shorts during athletic testing doesn't substitute for good old fashioned defensive play where some brain work is required.
     
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    Yep he won 2 superbowls with pats/eagles. He was insufferable, but I will give him his due.
     
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    Some good news. Chad Kelly got a contract from Colts. Let's hope he stops acting like some dumb wigger & beats out Briskett as he is much closer to Andrew Luck in playing style in the offense.
     
  24. Sean89

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    Is Chris Conte a FA or still with Tampa ?
     
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    Still a free agent, likely done as an NFL player.
     

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