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Does anyone think wr/kr Johnathan Warzeka from Air Force will be on an NFL roster this year? He has a TON of speed and he is a great kick returner. I don't know about his military commitment but I think he is good enough to get that third down back role and slot receiver. I don't know his forty time but its probably in the high 4.3 range. He clearly plays fast.
 

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Let's see now, this college student was incapable of running any route that wasn't in a straight line, and has terrible hands. Likely outcome: late first round or early second round NFL pick.

BTW, this Greg Cosell has lately become even more of a supposed draft "expert" than Mel Kiper. Not surprisingly he is usually critical of White players so when he downgrades a black one you can be sure there's good reasons for it.

NFL Films guru Greg Cosell got "little sense" of how Georgia Tech WR Stephen Hill will transition to the NFL after watching his college game tape. According to Cosell, Hill's college "routes" were essentially limited to "straight line running," making it difficult to forecast how he might fare in offenses far more complex than Georgia Tech's triple-option attack. Although Hill was noted for his drops at GT, NFL Network's Mike Mayock recently praised his fluid catching motion. Although he's somewhat of an open book, Hill has a shot at being a first-round pick.
 

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Here is a scouting report on Devon Wylie. They want him in the slot as usual. I've heard some NFL teams have him ranked as high as 6 among receivers.

Pros: Short strides with quick cuts that allow for separation. Explosive, big-play ability with sub-4.4 speed. Accelerates quickly and is dynamic after the catch. Wes Welker-esque skill set. Offers value on special teams as a returner. Cons: Small size that will relegate him to the slot. Fragile at the collegiate level with an injury history that's even more concerning considering his size. Struggles to fight off the jam. Didn't find the end zone much at Fresno State.
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Let's see now, this college student was incapable of running any route that wasn't in a straight line, and has terrible hands. Likely outcome: late first round or early second round NFL pick.

BTW, this Greg Cosell has lately become even more of a supposed draft "expert" than Mel Kiper. Not surprisingly he is usually critical of White players so when he downgrades a black one you can be sure there's good reasons for it.

NFL Films guru Greg Cosell got "little sense" of how Georgia Tech WR Stephen Hill will transition to the NFL after watching his college game tape. According to Cosell, Hill's college "routes" were essentially limited to "straight line running," making it difficult to forecast how he might fare in offenses far more complex than Georgia Tech's triple-option attack. Although Hill was noted for his drops at GT, NFL Network's Mike Mayock recently praised his fluid catching motion. Although he's somewhat of an open book, Hill has a shot at being a first-round pick.
Guys you know who Greg Cosell is, it's the "beloved" Howard Cosell's son. I never liked Ali but I loved this....:tongue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d42RLkAF3rs
 

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BTW, this Greg Cosell has lately become even more of a supposed draft "expert" than Mel Kiper. Not surprisingly he is usually critical of White players so when he downgrades a black one you can be sure there's good reasons for it.

I noticed in the last few days the little pukes over @ weenieworld have adopted this guy as their new "draft guru". Just looked him up. He is related to Howard Cosell (nephew), so we shouldn't be surprised he's going to have a serious anti-white agenda. Weird thing about this "draft guru" is he says he was a small college (D-III?) "basketball player" in the 1970's. My guess is he was a walk-on, because he claims he wasn't that good. So another non-athlete, has, once again, become a "super scout" in a sport he didn't play and we should take his "film study" as gospel.

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Checkout this beauty from Cosell today. He praises a 1-AA (FCS) CORNERBACK WITH 4.72 SPEED
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Ryan Steed - DB - CLG - Mar. 31

NFL films guru Greg Cosell believes Furman CB Ryan Steed plays quicker than his 40 times suggest.
Along with UL-Lafayette's Dwight Bentley, Steed is one of Cosell's two favorite small-school corners. Steed was unofficially clocked at 4.69 and 4.72 at the Combine before shedding five pounds and running a 4.55 at his Pro Day. Considered a smart player with playmaking ability, Steed could go in the third or fourth round if teams share Cosell's assessment of his short-area speed.


I love how the "girls" at Weenieworld spin this bull$hit: Combine times are suddenly "unofficial", but random pro day times on hard tracks and registered by friendly stopwatches are to be taken more serious?

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Caption: Does this face look familiar to MNF watchers?
 

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Cosell on Jamarcus Russell in 2007:

"Oh, man, can Russell flick it," says NFL Network analyst Greg Cosell, who has broken down film of Russell and Quinn. "Like Elway, he has the ability to see and make downfield throws 50 yards when he's on the move.

"If you think JaMarcus Russell is one of those special quarterbacks — and in the NFL right now, there's Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Carson Palmer— you have to take him. I don't know how the Raiders have him evaluated. But I can tell you watching him on film, he wowed me."

Cosell also thinks Russell has all the tools to be great. "This kid is a special passer, and he's got a complete inventory of throws," he says. "He's got that football intuition. He throws from different platforms, doesn't always have to be perfectly set and can move within the boxing-ring space of the pocket to find the quiet area."

As for Russell's main competition at quarterback?

"Brady Quinn is not on the same planet throwing the ball as Russell," Cosell says.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/draft/2007-04-25-sw-draft-preview_N.htm
 

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I noticed in the last few days the little pukes over @ weenieworld have adopted this guy as their new "draft guru". Just looked him up. He is related to Howard Cosell (nephew), so we shouldn't be surprised he's going to have a serious anti-white agenda. Weird thing about this "draft guru" is he says he was a small college (D-III?) "basketball player" in the 1970's. My guess is he was a walk-on, because he claims he wasn't that good. So another non-athlete, has, once again, become a "super scout" in a sport he didn't play and we should take his "film study" as gospel.

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Checkout this beauty from Cosell today. He praises a 1-AA (FCS) CORNERBACK WITH 4.72 SPEED :thumbdown:


Ryan Steed - DB - CLG - Mar. 31

NFL films guru Greg Cosell believes Furman CB Ryan Steed plays quicker than his 40 times suggest.
Along with UL-Lafayette's Dwight Bentley, Steed is one of Cosell's two favorite small-school corners. Steed was unofficially clocked at 4.69 and 4.72 at the Combine before shedding five pounds and running a 4.55 at his Pro Day. Considered a smart player with playmaking ability, Steed could go in the third or fourth round if teams share Cosell's assessment of his short-area speed.


I love how the "girls" at Weenieworld spin this bull$hit: Combine times are suddenly "unofficial", but random pro day times on hard tracks and registered by friendly stopwatches are to be taken more serious?

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Caption: Does this face look familiar to MNF watchers?


When will people quit getting caught up in 40 times? Most or 75% of these times are incorrect. Steed reported a 4.5, 40 in high school, but can only manage on his best day a 4.55 out of college? Doesn't make sense, no he probably ran a 4.9 in high school instead of the reported 4.5!

I know of 2 Clemson, USC, etc. recruits out of S. Carolina who report sub 4.5 times on rivals, like 4.47 and at the High School NIKE combine ran a cool 4.75 and a 4.89!

There were only a handful of 4.6 40 times or better out of almost 1,400 participants!

I don't believe most if not any of these times unless it is done by laser timing at an official event!
 

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When will people quit getting caught up in 40 times? Most or 75% of these times are incorrect. Steed reported a 4.5, 40 in high school, but can only manage on his best day a 4.55 out of college? Doesn't make sense, no he probably ran a 4.9 in high school instead of the reported 4.5!

I know of 2 Clemson, USC, etc. recruits out of S. Carolina who report sub 4.5 times on rivals, like 4.47 and at the High School NIKE combine ran a cool 4.75 and a 4.89!

There were only a handful of 4.6 40 times or better out of almost 1,400 participants!

I don't believe most if not any of these times unless it is done by laser timing at an official event!


Incredible! the 4.75 40, 5'10, 2014 grad. in my previous post, has reportedly already been offered by Clemson, S. Carolina, and VT according to his Rivals page! Really!
 

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Even after running a 4.42/40 at 6'2", 220 pounds at Pro Day, ex-Sacred Heart wide receiver Rich Rossi believes he'll likely go undrafted.
 

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With Bill Polian (and his son) booted out of Indy, I still think it will be an upset if the Colts take Griffin over Luck, but it won't be that surprising. And of course the suddenly ubiquitous "guru" Greg Cosell seems to think Griffin is the better prospect.

Citing people with "intimate knowledge of what the Colts are thinking," Mike Wilbon of the Washington Post claims the Colts are seriously considering drafting Robert Griffin III over Andrew Luck with the No. 1 pick. Wilbon is a sports columnist, so take this with an obvious grain of salt. "Some people that are having input into this pick, (believe) that RG3 is better in the pocket," Wilbon said Monday morning. "They have stats, they have analysis, they have information that says to them it’s Luck who is faster to leave the pocket and not be as good in the pocket. And RG3 is better in the pocket, he’s a better pocket passer, better arm. And that they are seriously still considering RG3." Wilbon's comments are especially notable because NFL Films guru Greg Cosell noticed the same tendencies on film. We don't expect Griffin to be drafted first, but certainly wouldn't rule it out, either.
 
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Greg Cosell with another article. This time he is comparing slot receivers. Obviously he did not look into the 40 times of these three guys, judging by his comment below. (keep in mind, Wylie ran a 4.37 and Wright ran a 4.42).


"Three-wide receiver personnel has become a base offensive set for many teams, used on first-and-10 almost as much as on third-and-3. We’ve all known the importance of Wes Welker since he joined the New England Patriots in 2007 and led the NFL with 112 catches. And he’s averaged 111 catches in the four seasons since. In each campaign, Welker has been utilized almost exclusively as a slot receiver. How about New York Giants receiver Victor Cruz this past season? More than 75 percent of his receptions — and yards — came from the slot.
This is where Martin (Michigan State), Wright (Arkansas) and Wylie (Fresno State) enter the conversation. All three had extensive slot experience in college. Each brings a different set of traits to the NFL, but each will be an effective slot receiver. That means they will likely be on the field 35-plus snaps a game, yet I am nearly certain none of the three will be selected in the first two rounds. Wright might be the exception, since he is the most vertically explosive of the bunch.


http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/04/02/cosell-talks-the-slot-factor/?module=HP11_cp
 

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Actually, Wright ran a 4.42 at his pro day, well some say it was a 4.45, his times were all over the board depending on who you ask. At the combine, the very same one Wylie is listed as running a 4.39, Wright had a 4.61. Of course there are a ton of excuses as to why it was that slow for a man that is 196 pounds with 4 reps on the bench.
 

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Les Brown: An Unlikely Path to the NFL



After choosing basketball out of high school, rather than football, Les, 24, now has the chance to rekindle that urge to put the pads back on due to some freak athleticism he showed on March 29th at the BYU Pro Day.
Brown ran a 4.44 40 while adding a 39-inch vertical jump and a 10-3 broad jump at 6-4 238 pounds.

After his impressive workout, NFL scouts were interviewing him with the idea of playing him at tight end. Tony Pauline of Sports Illustrated tweeted out that the Chiefs, Jaguars, Patriots and Raiders were among the teams interviewing him.

Les has two brothers on the BYU football team.
If more teams intend to adopt the multi-TE approach that the Pats have been using, Les could be a hot commodity this summer, even though his measurables are what the NFL claims is "ideal" for a homerun threat WR.

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And just now I see that dwid posted about Les on the previous page. The name didn't turn up in a search, so I figured no one had mentioned him before. Oh well. Now we have a picture, too. :)
 

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Gee, I wonder why. From DraftDaddy: Even though he's projected to be a high draft pick, ex-Notre Dame safety Harrison Smith has become a lightning rod for criticism in cyberspace.
 

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Gee, I wonder why. From DraftDaddy: Even though he's projected to be a high draft pick, ex-Notre Dame safety Harrison Smith has become a lightning rod for criticism in cyberspace.

Ridiculous. Harrison Smith should be a top 15 pick, his size and speed combination is rare. Can cover like a corner and can tackle like a linebacker. He allowed 0 completions last year when teams targeted him (at least that is what several scouts said). I did notice that quarterbacks tended to avoid his area being that he had 5 picks the year before. I guess it is similar to Eric Berry and his drop off in interceptions his last year in college.

I like this article regarding scouts such as mcmurty86 who said

“(Harrison Smith) doesn't often have a good position when the ball is thrown and has trouble in tight spaces while playing against a receiver. He will certainly be a huge liability in coverage in his rookie year.”

Looks like he took scouting reports from multiple White defensive backs over the years with the same agenda and merged them together to make it seem unique. Surprised I didn't see "tight hips".



http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/draftniks-ever-the-experts-and-always-on-the-clock/

The draftnik subculture has its own rituals, some fun and accessible for the layperson, others arcane and mysterious. Some activities can help the uninitiated dip their toes into the draftnik lifestyle. Be warned: in an egalitarian landscape with minimal separation between professional television analysts and some guy with old Auburn games on his DVR, one can easily go from curious newcomer to nationally recognized expert who gets 3 a.m. text messages about Mohamed Sanu in just a few weeks. Draftniks quickly reach the point at which baseball sabermetricians appear mainstream and virile by comparison, so proceed cautiously through the steps below.

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READ AND WRITE MOCK DRAFTS Mock drafts are pick-by-pick guesses of which team will select which player in April’s draft. They are composed by columnists, experts, obsessed amateurs, compulsive listmakers, interns and precocious toddlers, and all are of exactly the same level of accuracy. Some mock drafts prognosticate only the first round, but many now extend through all seven rounds, which is a little like trying to predict the weather on April 7, 2019.


No mock draft has ever been written without the author’s first peeking at another mock draft to make sure that they are similar, but not too similar
. Axiomatically, that means that the first mock draft of each season cannot possibly exist, though some philosophers have taken the Aquinian route and proposed a prime “unmocked mocker.” In reality, trendsetting draftniks work a year or two in advance; not only are 2013 mock drafts available that rank college underclassman, but somewhere, a trailblazer is basing his 2034 mock draft on genetic research and ultrasound images.


BECOME VERSED IN SCOUTSPEAK One 240-pound athlete who can move like a hungry leopard is pretty much like all the others, a fact that cannot be allowed to stand between the motivated draftnik and that coveted senior draft analyst title. Luckily, there is Scoutspeak, a language designed to baffle laymen with submolecular analysis of every high-cut, sudden prospect who can high-point, bucket step and take proper angles but gets upright, runs with poor lean, and fails to syncopate his duodenum while percolating the jabberwocky.


Every Scoutspeak term does correspond with some real physical attribute, and true experts like Mayock can pepper their explanations with jargon without delving into non-Newtonian football minutiae. Others use Scoutspeak to conceal ignorance. The Paradox of Draft Analysis states that the more detailed the observations about a prospect’s kinesiology, the less likely the writer-speaker is to have ever seen the prospect play football.


For years, insisting that the second-ranked quarterback on the draft board is far superior to the top-ranked quarterback has been the go-to contrary opinion for the draftnik in a hurry.


Backing the second quarterback has become a cliché, and Griffin is so good that it is hard to gain intellectual separation by preferring him to Andrew Luck. Advanced draftniks assert their individuality in other ways. They claim that a late-round pick is being unfairly downgraded because of character issues: he will stop habitually running over Watch for Children signs near kindergartens as soon as he has a seven-figure contract to emotionally ground him. They push obscure small-college prospects, even though the only images they have ever seen from Chippewa County A & T are from Google Earth.

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Finally, they can downgrade a top defensive lineman because he plays the wrong “technique.” Sure, he is 300 pounds of sculptured titanium, bench-presses old Chevy engine blocks for fun and recorded 60 career sacks at a major program, but he may not transition smoothly from three-technique to five-technique, an insurmountable adjustment that amounts to lining up about 42 lateral inches from where he did at college.


As a final ritual, true draftniks forget everything they ever said, wrote or thought about a prospect as soon as the N.F.L. season begins; reflection and accountability of opinion cause only uncomfortable cognitive dissonance."

sounds like Scott Wright and all of the wanna be scouts on his site. They never do eat crow when they are wrong. I am still waiting for the guy that said Anthony Dixon would be a much better pro than Gerhart to speak up. Although Gerhart isn't starting yet, he has shown much more ability in his playing time than Dixon, who has been described by 49er fans as a "fullback who thinks he is Barry Sanders"
 

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I wonder what Russ Lande's opinion was of Kuechly before the Combine. Since seemingly all of the alleged "experts" questioned Luke's "athleticism" one can assume that Lande is only now belatedly acknowledging the obvious after Kuechly's sensational Combine performance.

Sporting News draft analyst Russ Lande considers Boston College ILB Luke Kuechly "the best coverage linebacker to come into the NFL in many years." It's a nice cherry on top for one of the most productive tacklers in NCAA history. Lande also praises Kuechly's "speed, instincts, and athleticism," while calling him the toughest linebacker prospect in the 2012 class. Kuechly might go as early as No. 12 to Seattle, even if that's a high for a non-rush linebacker.
 

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i was just going to post that blurb, Don. glowing praise indeed, although not more than deserved, to be sure.
 

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another positive blurb, a player that moved up in mocks, would be good to have another white backer in Packland:

Shea McClellin - LB - Player

The Packers have reportedly shown "significant interest" in Boise State OLB Shea McClellin since the Senior Bowl in January.

McClellin's perceived stock is on a tear recently. He's showed up in the first round of ESPN's latest mocks, and NFL Network's Mike Mayock called McClellin a possible late first-rounder early this week. McClellin played both inside and outside linebacker at Boise State, in addition to his primary position of defensive end. He'd be a high-motor bookend for Clay Matthews in Green Bay.
Related: Packers

Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel
Apr 5 - 9:38 AM

 

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"All-Ivy free safety Stephen Peyton, 6'2" and weighing in at 226 pounds comes out of college as the biggest and strongest safety of any who participated in the NFL combine. His 40- yard dash time places him in the middle of the pack, but for his size, a 4.6 is a decent time.

Two safeties ended up with 22 reps at the 225 lb bench press at the combine. Peyton's 25 reps blows them out of the water.

The consensus #1 free safety in the NFL draft is Boise State's George Iloka who is 6'4", 225 lbs., ran a 4.66 - 40 and had 20 reps at 225lb. bench press. Peyton has him beat in every way except in actual height. And nothing against Iloka personally or Boise State academically, but Brown's Peyton just may have an edge in the mental part of the game as well.

Add to that package the intangible: high motor, good character, coachable, durable and some NFL team has a real steal in the draft. The Browns, the Bills and the Patriots were on hand for the workouts and have a leg up on the rest of the league. "

i put this in the video thread but i will link here as well. Please watch and share! Hope you enjoy it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc2lDm-_9nU

There are afew linebackers listed in the top 10 that are around the same size, except they run in the 4.7 range.
 

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speaking of BIG skill guys who can run, former Michigan State quarterback-turned Duquesne wide receiver Connor Dixon certainly fits the bill. listed at 6-foot-5, 212-pounds, Dixon ran a 4.4 forty at his Pro Day according to this article linked by DraftDaddy.

Dixon is the embodiment of raw upside at wideout, as he has only played the position for a little more than two years. injuries to his throwing shoulder forced him to change jobs, and by all accounts he has been a quick study. he caught 16 touchdowns and averaged 19.8 yards-per-catch this past fall.
 

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Wow Dixon is impressive. Maybe he will get the chance that Matt Jones should have had but he made one mistake and disapeared. Funny how that works when your white. No second chances like a guy like Pacman who has had aroun 5 chances at least.
 

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I like Shea McClellin, but I have Audie Cole ranked higher. Without a doubt, Cole has a better body-of-work in college and can handle a larger number of NFL snaps. Cole is a big-time tackler and a good pass-rusher, with even more room to improve. Right now, his skill-set is above that of McClellin.

With Cole, he can go into the NFL and produce like Colin McCarthy or better. Playing at a high-level in the ACC have prepared these athletes for early success in the NFL. With McClellin, I feel he'll have to be eased into a situational role at first. An NFL team will have to be patient with him.
 
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