NFL 100 ALL-Time Team

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  1. sport historian

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    The NFL Network tonight did a show announcing the running backs on the NFL 100 All-Time Team from a "Blue Ribbon Panel." There were 24 nominees, 12 were selected.

    12 Running Backs Making the Team.

    Jim Brown
    Earl Campbell
    Dutch Clark
    Eric Dickerson
    Lenny Moore
    Marion Motley
    Walter Payton
    Barry Sanders
    Gale Sayers
    O.J. Simpson
    Emmitt Smith
    Steve Van Buren


    12 Finalists Who Did Not.

    Marcus Allen
    Jerome Bettis
    Tony Dorsett
    Marshall Faulk
    Red Grange
    Franco Harris
    Hugh McElhenny
    Bronko Nagurski
    Adrian Peterson
    Jim Taylor
    Thurman Thomas
    LaDanian Tomlinson


    They tried to spread the selections over eras and time. Dutch Clark from the 30s and Steve Van Buren of the 40s. Moore was a surprise. He was mainly a flanker in his peak years. Nagurski had previously been on these all time teams instead of Clark.
     
  2. white is right

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    So Red Grange the biggest star in the 20's is omitted but other era stars are left on the roster? Jim Thorpe didn't make the cut down list? Also Joe Perry(Black) could have been on the cut down list too, and Barry Sanders wasn't a complete back who did too many things wrong to be on the final list (as spectacular as he was).
     
  3. La France Blanche

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    Are they doing fullbacks separately?

    I'm guessing the Juice's name was accompanied by a lot of "hurr durr off-field actions don't take away accomplishments on the field blah blah blah" (which mysteriously doesn't seem to apply to Pete Rose).

    Bettis is a surprise to be on the list, even as one not making the final cut - he had a very good career, but to me he's not a serious contender for one of the top dozen running backs of all time.
     
  4. sport historian

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    For these lists fullbacks and halfbacks are grouped together.

    Pete Rose was involved in gambling, which pro sports considers the worst of sins.

    These kind of lists are always subjective. Bettis didn't make the top 12 anyway.
     
  5. white is right

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    Brown, Motley, Van Buren were all fullbacks in the classical sense. So were Nagurski, Taylor and Harris who didn't make the final cut.

    I never thought of Clark as a running back before this list because he was really an option quarterback(similar to the way Lamar Jackson is described), the segment on Clark I caught at the gym BB described the all around skills of Clark getting him on the list. If that was the criteria than Thorpe should have at least been on the cut down list ahead of Bettis, or maybe Thomas.

    PS, Csonka was on the greatest running backs panel a few months back, but with old football players many aren't lucid near the end of their lives so Csonka might have been considered for that reason. Even Jim Brown doesn't talk above a whisper now and could die at any time now as he doesn't walk anymore from what I saw when he visited the Cleveland Browns training facility in the 2018 training camp.
     
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  6. sport historian

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    This week more members were announced:

    Defensive End

    Doug Atkins
    Bill Hewitt
    Deacon Jones
    Gino Marchetti
    Lee Roy Selmon
    Bruce Smith
    Reggie White


    Defensive Tackle

    Buck Buchanan
    Joe Greene
    Bob Lilly
    Merlin Olsen
    Alan Page
    John Randle
    Randy White


    Outside Linebacker

    Chuck Bednarik
    Bobby Bell
    Derrick Brooks
    Jack Ham
    Ted Hendricks
    Lawrence Taylor


    Middle Linebacker

    Dick Butkus
    Jack Lambert
    Willie Lanier
    Ray Lewis
    Joe Schmidt
    Junior Seau
     
  7. sport historian

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    The NFL 100 All-Time Quarterbacks have been announced.

    Sammy Baugh
    Tom Brady
    John Elway
    Brett Favre
    Otto Graham
    Peyton Manning
    Dan Marino
    Joe Montana
    Roger Staubach
    John Unitas
     
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    The NFL 100 All-Time Wide Receivers.

    Jerry Rice
    Randy Moss
    Larry Fitzgerald
    Raymond Berry
    Lance Alworth
    Paul Warfield
    Marvin Harrison
    Don Hutson
    Elroy Hirsch
    Steve Largent
     
  9. BeyondFedUp

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    Thanks sport historian,
    It's good to see these lists aren't full-on caste or duped modern-day proponents of black supremacy. At least not that bad IMO.
     
  10. sport historian

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    The Blue Ribbon Committee made an effort to pick someone from each era. These kind of lists are always subjective, but they did a reasonably good job.
     
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    45 out of 100 isn’t too bad and all of the Coaches as well!
     
  12. Don Wassall

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    That's fair, especially given that the general attitude supporting the big lie of black athletic supremacy is that NFL players are always getting "bigger, faster, stronger and more athletic!!" Never is there any decline in any way, even as the general population has been swiftly deteriorating physically and mentally for quite some time.

    With some training and updating, players from the past could more than hold their own with today's product. Same with baseball, would love to see how Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, Honus Wagner, the Babe, Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson, et. al. would fare today.
     
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    If those players had access to modern supplements and nutrition (and all of the science) there is no doubt in my mind that they would blow current "stars" out of the water. I mean defense could actually tackle back then and players had sound fundamentals. Not to mention that even only 40-50 years ago people were much tougher overall.
     
  14. Shadowlight

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    The players were tougher back then that is irrefutable. Not even close.

    Tackling? Yes there was a time when many to most NFL defenses featured six or more white defenders and if you watch old Super Bowl footage you see perfect tackling techniques and ferocious physicality that did not include head shots for the most part. You saw alert white safeties in proper positions and making disruptive plays.

    If you compare the eras you would think these new modern mainly black defensive unit looks are playing some sort of semi flag football. And the cluelessness is rampant.
     
  15. sport historian

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    Also, skill position players wear gloves, form-fitting gloves designed to catch the football. This makes passing easier as well. Some years ago, someone commented that with so many blacks playing, wearing gloves became the norm.
     
  16. greyghost

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    Where's John riggins ...
     
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    Yet every time Fred Biletnikoff is mentioned they bring up him using stickum to help catch. From everything I hear, the gloves nowadays are much better than wearing stickum.

    A recent MIT study says it's about 20 percent stickier than a hand.


    “It is macroscopically a solid,” Kumar explained of the silicone. “But at shorter, microscopic lengths, it is liquidlike.”

    That liquidlike property makes it sticky. Imagine a tight spiral thrown onto a hard surface like a road. It skips right off. Now imagine the same ball chucked into a large puddle of honey. The honey makes the grab. That is because the silicone surface of the gloves is, at the microscopic level, a viscous, honeylike liquid, and when a football comes in contact with it, the ball stalls in it the way it would on the surface of a gooey liquid, like the honey. The ball must work to get through it."

    Damn I should have worn these when I played
     
  18. dwid

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    I definitely think so.

    In Lombardi's 60s playbooks it states the minimum speed required for a halfback is 4.7. Nowadays they have training for the 40 down to a science where pretty much every player at the combine sees a speed coach. With proper training and technique you can easily shave off .2 from your times.

    Yet we still have halfbacks and receivers that run 4.7 that are successful (Blount, Arian Foster, Rex Burkhead, Boldin) in the NFL.

    100s more that have success at the FBS level, even with 4.8 and 4.9 times at the NFL combine. Yet our guys are still not "athletic" enough to get D1 scholarships. I know the 40 is overrated but most of these guys had pretty bad shuttle and 3 cone times too, except some of our guys who excelled in every drill except the 40, like TJ Moe who ran a similar 40 as Anquan Boldin but almost a second faster in the 3 cone drill, and almost a half second faster in the 20 yard shuttle. One was a 2nd round pick the other never got a chance.
     
  19. sport historian

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    John Riggins didn't make the top 24. Jerome Bettis and Franco Harris were picked ahead of him, neither made the top 12. Bettis' "compiling" was ahead of Riggins and Harris was on more winners.

    The PFRA Forum of pro football historians considered four selections questionable: Doug Atkins ("inconsistent"), Elroy Hirsch (only one super-great year). Gene Upshaw, and Art Shell.

    But as I said it's all subjective.
     
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    I had a neighbor that worked briefly with the NFL.....One of the players gave him some gloves the receivers use and I put them on and we chucked the ball in the street....
    Back in the day, I could catch a football....We would practice diving catches and one hand grabs while growing up......When I put those gloves on, at 40+ years old, I felt I could pluck anything out of the air....They make a huge difference.......



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    Yet you still see so many receivers dropping passes.
     

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