NBA 22% White

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  1. OC football

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    Of the 942 players listed on the NBA rosters at this time only 96 of them are white. Granted these rosters are a bit incomplete as some teams have yet bring aboard the 15 players allowed under NBA rules. The average NBA team has exactly 3 white players on their 15 man roster. Here is a list of all whites currently on a team. Source: NBA.com

    Boston.
    Brian Scalabrine
    Wally Szczerbiak

    Nets
    Jason Kid
    Nenad Krstic
    Mili Ilic


    Knicks
    David Lee

    76ers
    Shavlik Randolph
    Kyle Korver

    Raptors
    Andre Bargnani
    Jose Calderon
    Jorge Garbajosa
    Rasho Nesterovic
    Uros Slokar

    Mavricks
    Jose Barea
    Dirk Nowitzki
    Austin Croshere

    Rockets
    Vassilis Spanoulis
    Bob Sura
    Steve Novak

    Hornets
    Peja Stojakovic

    Spurs
    Matt Bonner
    Manu Ginobili
    Frbricio Oberto
    Beno Udrih
    Brent Barry

    Bulls
    Martynas Andriuskevicus
    Kirk Hinrich
    Viktor Khryapa
    Andres Nocioni

    Nuggets
    Linas Kleiza

    Cavaliers
    Zydrunas Ilgauaskas
    Aleksandar Palovic
    Scot Pollard
    Anderson Varejao

    Timberwolves
    Marko Jaric
    Mark Madsen

    Pistons
    Carlos Delfino

    Trail Blazers
    Joel Przybilla
    Zach Randolph
    Sergio Rodriguez
    Raef LaFrentz
    Dan Dickau

    Pacers
    Sarunas Jasikevicius
    Jeff Foster

    Super-Sonics
    Luke Ridnour
    Nick Collison
    Robert Swift

    Bucks
    Steve Blake
    Andrew Bogut
    Dan Gadzuric
    Ersan Ilyasova
    Damir Markota

    Jazz
    Gordan Giricek
    Matt Harpring
    Andrei Kirilenko
    Mehmet Okur
    Rafael Araujo

    Hawks
    Zaza Pachulia
    Esteban Batista
    Matt Freije

    Warriors
    Zarko Cabarkapa
    Troy Murphy
    Mike Dunleavy
    Andris Biedrins

    Bobcats
    Adam Morrison
    Primoz Brezec
    Jake Voskul
    Matt Carrol

    Clippers
    Yaroslav Korolev
    Zeliko Rebraca
    Cris Kaman

    Heat
    Jason Williams
    Chris Quinn
    Jason Kapono
    Michael Doleac

    Suns
    Steve Nash
    Eric Piatkowski
    Pat Burke

    Lakers
    Vladimir Radmanovic
    Chris Mihm
    Sasha Vujacic
    Luke Walton

    Magic
    Darko Milicic
    J.J. Redick
    Hedo Turkoglu
    Travis Diener
    Pat Garrity
    James Augustine

    Wizards
    Darius Songaila

    Kings
    Vitaly Potapenko
    Brad Miller


    I will make any changes if you inform me of the need. For the purposes of this study Jason Kidd was rightly or wrongly considered white. If no other whites are added to NBA rosters when they are all completed then the NBA will be about 21% white. Mathematically thats 4 players above the 20% mark. Last year the NBA was 21% white although NBA rules reguarding team rosters were a bit different. More players were allowed on the reserve list.

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  2. Skipperron

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    I know that I have said this before but it happened again last night. In the Charlotte game the announcers made the stupid statement that "hey, Morrison just might be happier and better coming in off the bench. He seems happy with the situation." Then in the Magic game they spent half the night talking about how Dwight Howard has started EVERY game that the Magic have played since joining the team, and how proud he was of the accomplishment. How is it important that blacks start every game but all whites are pleased, happy and thrilled to come off of the bench. It is presented as if they would actually prefer not to start. I hate to belabor the point but I get sick to my stomach and want to scream everytime I hear this.
     
  3. REDNOSE

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    Our people's respect and self control have been sort of our undoing in the "me first" and selfish sports arena. For the most part, whites care first and foremost about winning and team chemistry and not about the highlights and stats. This relates to less pressure for the coaches to start whites because they know they will have less resistance and a better chance of keeping everyone(black players)happy. Our whole culture has switched to sheer adoration for players such as Kobe because of the self promotion and their condemnation if they "ain't gettin' mines" attitudes. It's time for a concerted effort on our brothers to stand up in a professional manner and address this issue. However, they will be leveled with accusations of being selfish throughout the media but sometimes one has to do what one has to do.
     
  4. LabMan

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    Very well thought out,and stated,REDNOSE!
     
  5. JD074

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    Along with Kidd (definitely not white,) Dan Gadzuric and Anderson Varejao aren't white.

    I'm not sure how we should categorize Rafael Araujo (Brazilian) and Hedo Turkoglu and Mehmet Okur (Turks.)

    Just out of curiosity: do you know what the percentage would be if none of the players above are considered white, along with all of the Argentinian players? (I don't mean to imply that the Argentinians aren't white. I'm just curious.)
     
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    Hedo Turkoglu is white and once even called himself white. However, if you hear him speak and listen to the music he likes you would almost have to classify him as black. Still I guess he falls into the white Euro catagory.
     
  7. OC football

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    Yahh your right Dan Gadzuric, Varejao, Kidd, and Turkoglu are not white.

    Rafael Araujo is definatly of Spanish extraction.

    Ill give Okur a pass as white. But your right, most Turks are not white (even if they claim to be "European".)

    So if you subract all four of these guys who I should not have counted as white. And assume that all of remaining spots on the 15 man rosters are filled with black players, then the NBA is exactly 20% white.

    Thanks for the correction. Edited by: OC football
     
  8. GreatLakeState

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    So are Greeks not white? They're of the same stock as the Turks.

    How about Iranians? They're not Arabs. What are they?
     
  9. OC football

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    It is difficult to put people into categorys according to the country that they live in. Im sure that there are plenty of people in the middle east that could be considered white by most Americans.

    I know what your saying reguarding Irainians. They look white on CNN. But I have been to Iran and most of them would not be considered white by the majority of Americans. The same goes for Turks.

    Greeks are more likely to "look white" and be white then Turks or Iranians. However, while many in Greece look white a good number of them do not. Remember, Greece has been the subject of several invasions from all sides so it is not a homogenious nation.

    So when taking about who is white and who isn't lets just take it on a case by case basis. Lets understand that Europeans, and even Southern Europeans, are much MORE LIKELY to be white then people in the Middle East or North Africa.

    If you find an ethnic German who doesnt look white then he isnt white. Find a guy in North Afria that does look white and we will call him white.

    On that note I will go ahead and consider Okur white and then not consider Turkoglu white even if they both come from the same country. Edited by: OC football
     
  10. nhl411

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    i havent seen turkoglu up close that well but doesnt he look white/european?
     
  11. StaleyWasScrewd

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    I think we're going down a very slippery slope if we start classifying guys like Turkoglu with mulattoes like Jason Kidd and Dan Gadzuric. Turkoglu is not black at all, and he's surely whiter than Johnny Damon and other half-Asians that many users (including myself) tend to consider "white." For the purposes of the caste system, Hido's a white guy. When the black guy guarding Turkoglu looks at him, he sees a white guy. When a coach sees Hido Turkoglu, he sees a white guy. When an average fan sees Hido Turkoglu, he sees a white guy. The same doesn't apply to guys like Kidd or Gadzuric.
     
  12. bigunreal

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    What would the percentage of American whites in the NBA be? That would be very interesting to know.
     
  13. Jimmy Chitwood

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    Anderson Varejao IS white, he just has really curly hair. so are Turkoglu and Okur. and Araujo, i believe.

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    and for OC, the NBA has some new rules regarding their rosters this year... only 12 players can be on the active roster, while up to 3 more can be on the "inactive list." those players may be activated within a few hours of a game, be active in the NBDL, or be actually injured.

    this change is a result of all the "lower back pain" and "hangnail" injuries so many teams used over the last several years to keep guys available for call-up when an active roster member actually got hurt.

    if my figures are right (and they are pretty close, at least) 40 of the 942 total NBA players are American-born white men. that's just a tad over 4%. [​IMG]

    also, zach randolph of the Jail Blazers, is most definitely not white! [​IMG]
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  15. OC football

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    Damm. My mistake about Randolph.
     
  16. bigunreal

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    Wow- 4%! That is truly unbelievable. When you think of all the white kids playing organized basketball, going to select teams, starring in high school and going up against the top competition in college, it makes you sick. Even with the Caste System in place at the NCAA level, there are still plenty of top notch white players who not only start, but star in college basketball. How can so few of them make NBA rosters? Look at Pittsnogle and Gansey from West Virginia- how can they not make the pros over some of these unknown Europeans, not to mention the myriad of selfish, fundamentally unsound and often criminal black players?
     
  17. Don Wassall

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    With 15 players per roster counting the 3 on the inactive list, and with 30 teams, that comes to 450 players, not 942, unless I'm missing something. 40 white Americans out of 450 is about 9%.
     
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    jason kidd is known to be mixed, as is dan gadzuric.

    varejao is clearly mixed. he looks like a typical mixed brazilian. pure white people don't look like that.

    araujo looks white, but may well have some black and/or indian ancestory. someone in brazil can look like that and have a grand parent that's black.

    turkey is also a multi-racial country. the people are a mix of european, near eastern and mongoloid. okur looks european, but may have a large amount of non-european ancestory.

    turkoglu look semitic and possibly a little mongoloid(the original turks were the mongols essentially), notice the almond shaped eyes and the way his face looks pinched around the eyes. a lot of jews have these features.

    i live and work in a area with a huge brazilian population and many turks. both these groups are very mixed and you can have one sibling look white and the other look arab or mulatto or mestizo. brazilians are pretty much all mixed unless they have non-portugese names or are from very upper class families. some brazilians are arabs too. i know a brazilian arab who looks white. his name is "jamal."

    turks can look european, arab, central asian or even like south american mestizos all in the same family.
     
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    Ok, so people can look different than what they actually are. How does that help us in trying to decide who to include/exclude? What we need to do is develop a criteria for what to go on. My opinion is that we use looks and behavior because that is what matters most in the US. Image is everything. I think most of you realize that. Someone who looks and acts white will be considered white by the Caste System. It really shouldn't matter if we know they may have some non-European ancestry, as long as we can agree that they are treated as white by the anti-white power structure and media because they look white. I'm just trying to put forth a way where we can come together instead of getting into and taking forever to get out of these discussions on what someone's racial makeup is when they look white and are treated as whites. I think this is the easiest and most productive way to proceed with this for the purposes of this website. Feel free to disagree because this is just one man's humble opinion. Edited by: Colonel_Reb
     
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    Anyone who isn't black should be 'in,' in my book. Sometimes you can only dismantle one myth at a time.
     
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    I like Col. Reb's definition. Anyone who's European or who is from a non-European country that has a white population who looks and acts white should be considered white unlessit's known for sure that they aren't in fact white.Some here root for athletes with some Asian andPolynesian roots. Shouldn't be any big deal at all.Nitpicking about who is a "pure" white and who isn't isa turnoff to many, myself included,and without any redeeming benefits that I can see.
     
  22. GreatLakeState

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    There was a clown black producer on Sporting News Radio yesterday
    angry when the host said Tim Duncan was the second-best player in the
    NBA. The producer called Duncan the "best white player in the NBA", and
    talked about how he'd be laughed off the playground in the "hood,' and
    how no real brutha would use the bank shot.

    Imagine that, Duncan has never been in the "hood" in his life, and
    somehow plays the game as well or better than any player of his
    generation.
     
  23. White Shogun

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    Duncan cares more about winning than dunking, which is why he is an NBA All-star and those guys on the playground are just that: playground ballers.

    Interesting that the producer thinks it's more important to impress the brothers in the 'hood than to actually win an NBA Championship, become a multi-millionaire, and to have international recognition at the top of your profession. Edited by: White Shogun
     
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    The bank shot actually requires a measure of skill. No wonder the Euro teams kicked the brutha's backsides.
     
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    I totally, emphatically, and passionately disagree with Shogun and Don. I'm sorry if I'm "turning you off," but it does matter if an athlete is white or MIXED. A mixed athlete is useless to us; he's just another non-white athlete. The "redeeming benefits?" We don't look stupid. How about that? If you root for mixed athletes, I hope you realize that everyone is laughing at you. Most people already think we're a bunch of idiots; this doesn't help. We might as well use racial epithets while we're at it.

    I don't care if other people on this forum root for Johnny Damon and other NON-WHITES. I do not, and will not, ever.

    So what's the plan guys, are we going to root for white athletes, and not give a sh*t whether they're actually WHITE or not at the same time?! How f*cking pointless is that?!

    Are there so few talented white athletes, are we so desperate, are we so pathetic, that we have to settle for MIXED young men to root for?!? (And you better believe that many of these mixed young men have brown daddies and white mommies.) Anybody who isn't black is "in?" I'm ashamed and disgusted by most of you.

    They're should be enough OBVIOUSLY WHITE athletes to root for without lowering ourselves to rooting for MIXED young men. So you can have your Johnny Damon's, Kevin Kaesviharn's, Teddy Bruschi's, and Anderson Varejao's. I'll take the Matt Jones's, Dirk Nowitzki's, Steve Nash's, Jeremy Wariner's, Kevin Curtis's, Tom Brady's, Roger Clemens's, etc. etc. etc.

    For crying out loud, if we don't give a sh*t about our gene pool, what's the f*cking point in caring about our race anyway? We might as well give up, right here, right now.

    But I guess this isn't "any big deal at all." Yeah, the genetic integrity of the white race isn't any big deal at all. You guys act like you care more about having fun watching sports than race.
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