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  1. jaxvid

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    Wie closed in on the leader in her first pro tournament, she's in the final pairing. Check out the story, the officials allowed her to move a ball because she was afraid of bees, reminds me of when fans moved a huge rock for Tiger. Remember sports is a level playing field, just more level for some then others.

    Birdies and bees as Wie closes in on lead

    By DOUG FERGUSON, AP Golf Writer
    October 14, 2005

    PALM DESERT, Calif. (AP) -- For a 16-year-old girl, Michelle Wie knows plenty about the birds and bees.

    In an awesome display of birdies that shot her into contention Friday with a career-best 65, Wie got a fortuitous ruling at Bighorn Golf Club by getting relief from a desert bush where a few dozen bees were hovering.

    She wound up her entertaining afternoon at the Samsung World Championship two shots behind Grace Park, who recovered from a four-putt double bogey to shoot 6-under 66, her lowest score of the year.

    Park, who was at 11-under 133, will be paired with Wie in the final group Saturday.

    Annika Sorenstam bogeyed her final two holes for an even-par 71 and joined the group at 135 that included Wie and 19-year-old Paula Creamer.

    Wie's tee shot on the par-4 15th lodged at the base of a Gold Lantana plant, and it appeared Wie would have to take a one-shot penalty for an unplayable lie. Instead, she recalled a rare golf tournament she watched on TV when a player got relief because of fire ants, and summoned rules official Jim Haley.

    ``They're just honey bees,'' Haley said when he stooped to inspect the situation.

    ``I got bit by a honey bee once,'' Wie replied, then under her breath muttered, ``My foot got all swollen.''

    Haley gave her a free drop under the ``Decisions of Golf,'' which allows for relief when ``it is unreasonable to expect the player to play from such a dangerous situation'' such as a rattlesnake or bees' nest.

    Wie blasted out of the lie where green grass met desert sand, onto the green and escaped with a par.

    She said she is allergic to bees, and later recounted a story from nap time in kindergarten when she rolled out her mat and wound up sleeping on a bee. She also said she was stung during an amateur event in Hawaii when she was 11.

    ``They seem to like me,'' Wie said.

    Tied for the lead at the time, Wie closed out her round with pars, missing a 15-foot birdie putt on the 18th hole that spun all the way around the cup and hung on the front edge.

    On the second day of her professional debut, the bogey-free 65 was her lowest score in 30 professional events. Her previous best was a 66 in the third round of the 2003 Kraft Nabisco Championship.

    ``I was a little more tense yesterday than I was today,'' Wie said. ``I felt solid today. Hopefully, I can carry on.''

    Sorenstam wasn't so fortunate.

    She hit her tee shot into a desert bush on the 18th hole and got relief from a scoreboard between her and the flag. But with the ball above her feet, needing to play a right-to-left shot, Sorenstam wanted more room to drop her ball and was denied by the rules official.

    ``I don't know how many times you hit a straight shot in golf,'' she said.

    Sorenstam was six shots clear of Wie starting the day, but the Hawaii sensation wasted no time making up ground. She birdied three of the first five holes with crisp iron play, then turned a bogey into birdie on the par-5 seventh. Her 3-wood skirted along the edge of the bunkers and turned into another desert bush -- this one free of bees -- and she had to take an unplayable lie.

    Facing a chip over 20 yards of bunker to a green that ran away from her, Wie hit a perfect flop that dropped into the cup for birdie. She followed that with a tee shot into 18 inches on the par-3 eighth, and despite missing a 5-foot birdie on the ninth, went out in 31.

    Wie moved into a tie for the lead with a 9-iron into 3 feet on the 11th, and by reaching the 508-yard 12th hole in two for a two-putt birdie.

    Then came the tee shot well to the right, into the desert on the 14th.

    She stood over the bush with hands on hips when she summoned her caddie, Greg Johnston, and asked if bees constituted her same problem as a bed of fire ants. They called for a ruling, and Wie made her case.

    ``Michelle studies the 'Decision of Golf.' We look at odd rulings,'' said her father, B.J. Wie.

    This one is so odd that it falls under Rule 1-4: ``Points Not Covered by the Rules.'' In these cases, the decision is to be made ``in accordance with equity.''

    Whether it was the proper ruling -- and it was Haley's call -- Wie showed some savvy by looking for a loophole in the sometimes harsh world of golf rules.

    ``She did all the talking,'' Johnston said. ``I thought that was good for to learn it.''

    The next test comes on the weekend, when Wie has a chance to win her first tournament as a pro.

    Park has missed chunks of this year with back and neck injury, but she loves desert golf, and she blistered the back nine with six birdies, chipping in on No. 12 and making birdies from inside 2 feet on the 16th and 17th holes.

    ``I kept telling myself it's never too late to start playing well,'' Park said. ``I'm glad I'm turning it around.''

    Park has played several times with Wie in practice rounds, and she often chides the Hawaii-born teen that Wie speaks Korean with a trace of accent. Both are sponsored by Nike, although Wie is paid much more.

    ``She's a super talent. She's a 16-year-old phenom,'' Park said. ``She brings that much more interest to the game.''

    Then, looking down at her silver shoes with the swoosh, Park said she was dressed better.

    ``I told her I would swap contracts for my shoes,'' she said.
     
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    You have got to be kidding me! This is totally unbelievable. Oh... I'm so scared of honey bees. I hope Paula Creamer kicks her butt.
     
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    Don or Jaxvid, isn't this flap about the drop in addition to the honey bee incident? If so, Mis Wie ought to be watched more closely.


    http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/pga/news?slug=ap-samsungchampio nship&prov=ap&type=lgns


    Wie's troubles stemmed from the day before, when she took a drop from a Gold Lantana bush to the left of the par-5 seventh green, took a penalty drop for an unplayable lie, and escaped with a par. Two rules officials escorted her to the seventh green after her final round Sunday, and she was asked to show where the ball disappeared into the bush, and where she took her drop.


    They determined it was too close to the hole -- 3 inches too close according to Wie, about a foot according to the rules officials. That's a two-shot penalty, so she should have added two strokes to her third-round 71.


    Ultimately, she was disqualified for signing an incorrect card, which cost her $53,126 in prize money.
     
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    Wie commits to play at John Deere Classic

    EAST MOLINE, Ill. -- Michelle Wie will take another crack at the PGA Tour, with the 16-year-old golfer competing at the John Deere Classic in July.

    The tournament granted her a sponsor's exemption Wednesday.

    This will be the fifth time Wie plays on the PGA Tour, and she had her most success at the John Deere. A year ago, Wie was inside the cut until a double bogey on the 16th hole and a bogey on the 17th to miss by two shots. The star from Hawaii finished two rounds at 1-under 141.

    "Michelle Wie is one of the biggest stars in golf today, and we are thrilled that she has accepted our invitation to play," tournament director Clair Peterson said.

    Wie played the Sony Open this year, missing the cut for the third straight time. No woman has made the cut on the PGA Tour since Babe Zaharias in 1945.

    The John Deere Classic will be held July 13-16.
     
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    Add another item to the "They have an agenda" file. Wie is ranked number 3 in the world, number 2 in some places. Sorenson is number one of course and Paula Creamer who should be getting all of Wie's publicity and MORE is number two. Creamer is a better golfer, she's better looking, and a better person. But unfortunately she is white. Wie has NEVER won a pro-tournament, NEVER even collected a paycheck, she is NOT a member of the LPGA and has been a pro for 4 months. Yet she gets all of the publicity, all of the endorsements and too much attention.
     
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    I went to check SI.com to see how Mickelson's round ended today (double bogey on the 18th but still a huge 8 stroke lead) and was confronted with a giant photo of Michelle Wie with the headline "Major Opportunity." I assumed she had taken the lead at the Nabisco Championship, the first major of the year for the LPGA, but no, she is three shots behind the leader Lorena Ochoa.


    This of course is how every tournament Tiger Woods is in is handled by the media -- "Woods Eight Strokes Behind Overachieving Nameless LeaderAfter Three Rounds." What's curious is that Ochoa herself is sort of a minority -- she's a very good young Mexican player who isreasonably attractiveand European looking -- but none of that matters when it comes to hyping the female, winlessequivalent of Tiger. But then again those words "European looking" undoubtedly say it all. Ifit was Latisha Jackson from East St. Louis leading after three rounds, it's fair to say the headlines coming from this tournament would be entirely different.
     
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    I'm probably the only one here who watched the final round of the LPGA's first major [​IMG]but it was a very exciting golf tournament with some spectacular clutch shot-making. Karri Webb eagled 18, a hole-out from 116 yards, to take a two-shot lead. Michelle Wie, Lorena Ochoa and the lovely Natalie Gulbis all had a chance to tie Webb on the last hole. Wie and Gulbis missed birdie putts, but Ochoa made an eagle putt and then lost in the first playoff hole to Webb.


    Webb dominated the tour for a few years in the '90s the way Annika Sorenstam does now, but she had basically dropped out of sight the past few years. One would think her unexpected win would be the story of the tournament, right? Not if one lives in Caste System America. Go to ESPN.com's golf section and there's the blaring headline -- "Major Disappointment," with the obligatory photograph of Wie. Beneath that headline and story link is the second story and link: "Wie comes up one shot short." The third story and link is "Webb beats Ochoa in Kraft Nabisco playoff." Guess they had to mention the actual winner somewhere.


    At least Tiger is a proven great player. This Wie overkill is truly sickening.


    BTW, Gulbis looks sexier than ever. She finished 6th on the LPGA money list last year but is still, like Wie, looking for her first win. But even the Anna Kournikova of the golf world is ignored in the tsunami of Wie media mania.
     
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    Really? You think Gulbis looks better then Wie? [​IMG]

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    The Golf Channel has a special show tonight called "Michelle Wie's Quest for the U.S. Open." And it's three hours long! I kid you not. A three hour show about nothing but Wie's round of golf today at a sectional qualifier.


    I agree with those who say that Asian athletes aren't covered any more than white athletes, that the Caste System is primarily about artificially "lifting up" blacks in sports because they are so woefully behind in everything else. But Wie mania is as ridiculously overdone asis the hypefor any black athlete, including the "black" Tiger Woods.


    A big reason for the hyping of this "phenom" who has yet to win a tournament, is the feminist aspect -- Wie trying to enter and win men's tournaments. The medialoves anything that is seen as knocking down a preserve of (white) men,as the system's most powerful divide and conquer weapon is the constant stoking of the contrived "gender war"of alienating white men and women from each other and turning them into rivals rather than partners working on behalf of their families, communities, and race.
     
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    Wie's quest for the US Open is a joke. She has missed agains and it wasn;t even close. How many times are we going to have to relive her trying to play in a mens tournament, she has not even won a WOMEN's tournament! This is beyound ridiculous. What is the attraction? How long can people breathlessly follow her constant failures?
     
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    Wie thing is a JOKE but welcome to the new tabloid world of sports coverage. I feel sorry for the guys who are competing and are reduced to anonymous ball pushers as Wie and her marketing team drum up more ways to make money. Personally I think she is a self serving twit and could give a rat's ass about her and her stupid pursuits--which are just publicity stunts. She has no chance in hell of getting near the top of the US Open leader board even if she were barely able to qualify. I also think she is a coward. Try winning against your peers twit..
     
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    Invariably, when I switch on a golf tournament that Tiger Woods is in, the first thing I see is a shot of Tiger. Today I decided to go to the Tiger Network (aka the Golf Channel) for a minute to check out the leaderboard of the LPGA major taking place. This time the first shot I saw was a side by side, super-slow motion comparison of the swingsof Tiger and Michelle Wie. [​IMG] It just doesn't get any better than that. You really just have to laugh at the absurdity of the Caste System.
     
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    Found these two articles next to each other in this morning's daily rag:


    "Tiger Woods and Michelle Wie Wannabes from 32 Countries Flock to North Carolina to Put Their Prodigy Golf Skills to the Test"


    Why of course! Surely none of the young girl "prodigies" would want to be like Annika Sorenstam, the best female golfer of all time who is at or near the height of her powers and who is an impeccable role model on and off the course. No, according to the media they want to be like winless Michelle Wie.


    And here's the first paragraph from the other article, on the Evian Masters tournament in France, one of the most prestigious on the LPGA tour: "Michelle Wie knows it's tough keeping up with the best men in the game. In the French Alps yesterday, she learned beating golf's top female money winner this season -- Mexico's Lorena Ochoa -- won't be much easier." And of course there is a photo of Wie along with the story.


    The complete Tiger treatment before she has even won a pro tournament. Just wait until/if she actually accomplishes something. You gotta figure the members of the LPGA don't share the media's worshipping of Wie. There was an article on Morgan Pressel, the 18 year old pro, in the latest ESPN The Magazine. She doesn't like Wie andit's a good bet she has plenty of company in that department. But that hardly matters, because Wie wants to play with and beat those hated white men and that's all that counts to the Caste System media.
     
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    Why of course!  Surely none of the young girl "prodigies" would want to be like Annika Sorenstam, the best female golfer of all time who is at or near the height of her powers and who is an impeccable role model on and off the course.  No, according to the media they want to be like winless Michelle Wie.


    And here's the first paragraph from the other article, on the Evian Masters tournament in France, one of the most prestigious on the LPGA tour:  "Michelle Wie knows it's tough keeping up with the best men in the game.  In the French Alps yesterday, she learned beating golf's top female money winner this season -- Mexico's Lorena Ochoa -- won't be much easier."  And of course there is a photo of Wie along with the story.


    The complete Tiger treatment before she has even won a pro tournament.  Just wait until/if she actually accomplishes something.  You gotta figure the members of the LPGA don't share the media's worshipping of Wie.  There was an article on Morgan Pressel, the 18 year old pro, in the latest ESPN The Magazine.  She doesn't like Wie and it's a good bet she has plenty of company in that department.  But that hardly matters, because Wie wants to play with and beat those hated white men and that's all that counts to the Caste System media.[/QUOTE]

    Good clips and comments--revealing the anti-white bias in the promotion of the sport among the young. With Annika, Pressler, Gulbis, Creamer, Inkster, there are obviously no white role models for girl golfers! Thank God Michelle did not win today. She will win a tournament one day---but let's hope it's delayed as long as possible.
     
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    Yesterday's headline from the LPGA's British Open -- "Wie Struggling."Coverage of Wie has become arepetitious comedy skitcome to life.


    If the media is going to ignore the actual leader of touraments, here's my suggested alternative headline -- "Natalie Gulbis and Paula Creamer Challenging for Lead at Women's British Open" [​IMG]


    Natalie (-4)


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    Paula (Even)


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    How many people just accept this obligatory coverage without ever thinking about it? I'd say at least 95 percent and most likely more than 99 percent.


    But that's human nature, along with our "educational system" and the monolithic nature of the media in America, which these days is virtually identical to how the media operates in any openly totalitarian country. The problem is the lack of alternative viewpoints, which Caste Football is at least trying to provide.


    Burts, don't be such a stranger!
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    There are several guys I work with who worship Michelle Wie.

    They:
    "She's a phenom!"
    "She's great looking, too!"
    "She's only 16, she's great!"
    "She's going to break Tiger's majors records!"

    Me:
    "Have you ever heard of Annika Sorenstam? She's won 10 majors already."
    "Have you ever seen pics of Natalie Gulbis?"
    "Jack Nicklaus has won the most majors, not Tiger."

    At least one of them though agrees that Wie should stop trying to make the cut on the men's tour.
     
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    Funny, great minds think alike. I have heard similiar comments about Wie, and some of your responses are mine. I have added that if she doesn't take a title within the next year or two, she'll fade off into the sunset.Edited by: SeaJim
     
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    "I played great all summer and played good in this tournament. Just a couple of shots did not go the way I wanted them to."

    --Michelle Wie, after the British open.

    Hey, Michelle, 6 over par is not "good". "Satisfactory" maybe; "decent" maybe, but not "good". Also, a "couple" means "2". If only two of your shots went astray, you would've been in contention for the title on Sunday, not way out of it (as you actually were).

    Also, any words of congratulations for your fellow LPGA gals? For Sherri Steinauer? No? Then I will congratulate the champion.

    Congrats to Sherri Steinauer for her richly deserved major title!
     
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    Here's a news report from Saturday re: the British Open.

    "The 16-year-old from Hawaii hit a piece of moss in her backswing in the greenside bunker at the 14th hole. She found out after her round that she had broken rule 13-4c.

    That gave her a seven on the hole and she finished at 2-over 74, 10 shots behind leader Juli Inkster. She's at 4-over after two rounds, three strokes inside the expected cut.

    "It's not good after you play you find out you add two more shots in the end," Wie said. "The par saves I made on 17 and 18 feel as though they count for nothing in the end."

    Wie wasn't aware of the rule infraction Friday until she went to sign her scorecard and was informed by officials. The sand clearly moved, and the incident was picked up by TV cameras and tournament officials.

    "Well, I knew I hit the moss, but I guess I knew the rule wrong," Wie said. "I always knew from the time I started playing golf that if you swing through it, it would be OK. I knew I hit the moss but I guess I knew the rule a little bit differently.

    "So it's a good learning experience. But I'm only 16."

    Michelle, as you are are well aware, golf is the strictest of games, governed by minute, seemingly mickey-mouse rules, but rules which nonetheless ensure the game's integrity and which apply to everybody. (There is also a custom of self-accusation if you break a rule).

    "I always knew from the time I started playing golf that if you swing through it, it would be OK. I knew I hit the moss but I guess I knew the rule a little bit differently."

    If you *knew* that you hit the moss, why didn't you immediately announce this to an official to see if you'd done anything wrong? Although not strictly obligatory, that would have been the most lady-like thing to do.

    Also, the fact that you "swung through" is irrelevant. That section of the rules does not say "but, if you swing through it, it's OK". Who taught you that interpretation? Not any responsible coach or golf pro. And what do you mean by saying you *"knew"* the rule "a little bit ("little bit"??) differently". If you "knew" the rule wrongly, you really didn't know the rule; you only thought you did.

    "But I'm only 16."

    Well played, Miss Wie--the youth card. In tandem with the gender card, this gives you a powerful hand. You're in a great situation.If you play poorly against the women, it's "hey, I'm only 16". If you play poorly against the men, it's "Hey, I'm only a women playing against men." But if you play well, we all must admit that you're a fantastic phenom.
     
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    I used to think the world golf rankings were legitimate albeit ridiculously complicated. Now I have my doubts, at least as far as the female golfers. Check out the top 10. Michelle Wie is second. Not only second but well ahead of everyone but Annika. Wie hasn't even won a tournament yet but still has this lofty ranking?!?! [​IMG]


    Women's world rankings
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    1 <B color="#00FFFF">Annika Sorenstam[/B] Swe <B color="#00FFFF"> 17.82[/B] pts ave
    2 <B color="#00FFFF">Michelle Wie [/B] US <B color="#00FFFF">14.63[/B]
    3 <B color="#00FFFF">Karrie Webb [/B] Aus <B color="#00FFFF"> 9.46[/B]
    4 <B color="#00FFFF">Lorena Ochoa [/B] Mex <B color="#00FFFF"> 9.41[/B]
    5 <B color="#00FFFF">Paula Creamer [/B] US <B color="#00FFFF"> 8.22[/B]
    6 <B color="#00FFFF">Cristie Kerr [/B] US <B color="#00FFFF"> 7.42[/B]
    7 <B color="#00FFFF">Juli Inkster [/B] US <B color="#00FFFF"> 7.32[/B]
    8 <B color="#00FFFF">Yuri Fudoh [/B] Jpn <B color="#00FFFF"> 6.20[/B]
    9 <B color="#00FFFF">Jeong Jang [/B] Kor <B color="#00FFFF"> 6.06[/B]
    10 <B color="#00FFFF">Mi Hyun Kim [/B] Kor <B color="#00FFFF"> 5.78[/B]
     
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    Look how close she is to Annika! If she ever winsanything she'll probably be ranked #1.
     
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    Thanks for the links, Sark. I read them avidly. It reveals a train of unkind and unprofessional behavior. As you know, some of it relates to her Father, who appears to be steering her in all the wrong directions. Interesting also that a sometimes menacing bodyguard/posse seems to have formed around her.

    And the plot thickens...it turns out that her veteran caddy *warned her that she would be breaking the rules* (on the backswing/moss issue), but she ignored him. This caddy was of course recently fired.

    Wie needs to regroup, recollect herself, be a bit more humble, and mend some fences if she is going to develop as an LPGA golfer (and a person). She obviously has talent and it would be a shame to see it go to waste. (I will still be rooting for Annika, Natalie, and Paula to win though!).
     

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