McNabb nonsense....

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  1. kissthefuture

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    Anyone else watching the post-game on Monday night?

    Romo outpasses McNabb in yardage and TD's, wins the game in the second half with big passes to his white tight end, and all Young and Smith talk about is how great McNabb was. They spent all post-game talking about how great the Eagles are going to be b/c of McNabb. They failed to mention how he couldn't drive them down the field when it mattered or how he took a costly sack to seal the deal at the end instead of throwing it out of bounds.

    Young literally said McNabb is the 3rd best QB in the league! Hahaha. Outrageous nonsense. They could not have tried to push McNabb anymore.
     
  2. Deadlift

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    I'm glad I didn't watch the post-game then!


    The media is awfully fortunate that this wasn't a playoff game...
     
  3. WHITE NOISE

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    Don't worry, each season starts out this way. McDrab this and McDrab that, then he gets injured and can not finish the last half of the season.
     
  4. guest301

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    He's a top ten QB when healthy but no way is he a top three. He certainly didn't help his team in the 4th quarter last night, Romo did.
     
  5. Kaptain

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    McNabb is the best black QB, but I think we even give him too much credit. He is not a top ten QB - maybe top 11-25 - somewhere in there. There are a lot good white QB's out there. There are easily ten white quarterbacks that are better. Try to pick more than seven white QB's from the list of 27 below who are clearly worse than McNabb - it's difficult.

    Quarterbacks
    1 Tony Romo DAL(at GB) 16 Jon Kitna DET(at SF)
    2 Jay Cutler DEN(vs NO) 17 Kerry Collins TEN(vs HOU)
    3 Peyton Manning IND (vs JAC) 18 David Garrard JAC(at IND)
    4 Drew Brees NO (at DEN) 19 Matt Schaub HOU (at TEN)
    5 Eli Manning NYG (vs CIN) 20 Derek Anderson CLE(at BAL)
    6 Kurt Warner ARI(at WAS) 21 Carson Palmer CIN(at NYG)
    7 Ben Roethlisberger PIT(at PHI) 22 Marc Bulger STL(at SEA)
    8 Aaron Rodgers GB(vs DAL) 23 Matt Hasselbeck SEA(vs STL)
    9 Matt Cassel NE(vs MIA) 24 Trent Edwards BUF(vs OAK)
    10 J.T. O'Sullivan SF(vs DET) 25 Matt Ryan ATL(vs KC)
    11 Philip Rivers SD(vs NYJ) 26 Brian Griese TB(at CHI)
    12 Donovan McNabb PHI(vs PIT) 27 Tarvaris Jackson MIN(vs CAR)
    13 Jake Delhomme CAR (at MIN) 28 Chad Pennington MIA(at NE)
    14 Brett Favre NYJ(at SD) 29 Joe Flacco BAL (vs CLE)
    15 Jason Campbell WAS (vs ARI) 30 Kyle Orton CHI (vs TB)
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  6. Bear Backer

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    I do honestly believe he is somewhere legitimately between 9-12 currently in the league because of the strength of his arm and his experience. But in no way is he top 5 or has ever been anywhere close to being top 3. Top three is pretty dang elite. Thats like talking not only best of an era, but perhaps consideration on the list of greatest of all time. McNabb is nowhere close to that and never has been. Tony Romo to me is not yet an elite QB in league of Manning or Brady and he outplayed McNabb down the stretch. That they even Mentioning McNabb in the same breath as Brady and Manning is a sham. Big Ben is not even up to par with those two and he is by far the third best QB in the leage right now in terms of the total package he brings to his team. McNabb is considerably down the list from Roethlisberger. Edited by: Bear Backer
     
  7. GiovaniMarcon

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    Pundits and talking heads in the media seem to think that the American public is too stupid or jaded to sense the difference between something actually being true, and merely wishing it were true.

    Sadly, they might be right.

    At the end of the day, though, McNabb is a legitimate mid-level talent who would at best be only a career back up or an Arena Football star if he were four shades lighter and weren't made of faberge egg shells.
     
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    "four shades lighter and weren't made of faberge egg shells."

    LOL, that's a great way to describe McDrab's fragile frame. It seems that most of the black quarterbacks in the league suffer from brittle bone disease.
     
  9. ToughJ.Riggins

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    Yes McNabb has had his McChoke moments like throwing up at the Super Bowl. But he led his team there where they lost a close game to the mighty Pats. When McNabb has been on the field and before new stars have emerged this year, he was a top 5 QB in my book.

    It looks silly to not give quite possibly the greatest black QB of all time any credit. We don't need to fawn over him, but it illegitimizes our website to disregard him as a good player completely. McNabb has virtually identical stats to Favre (minus one Super-Bowl victory) for his amount of games played so far. McNabb's best year he had a 105 QB rating, which is better than Favre's best.

    McNabb can hit receivers far down-field as evidenced by his perfect throw to DeSean Jackson before the dufus purposely threw the ball away. I will list tons of players on your list who McNabb is currently better than. If McNabb can play a healthy 7 more years or so at his current pace, I would vote him into the hall of fame even without a Super Bowl. But the healthy part is a big "if" with him.

    Quarterbacks:
    Tony Romo> Currently on pace for a better career than McNabb, but has great options like Terrell Owens "and" Jason Witten and has choke problems of his own in big games. Maybe slightly more talented than McNabb. Current and Projected Edge Romo.

    Jon Kitna> Overrated and throws too many INTS...has won like what? one playoff game? Edge in both to McNabb.

    Jay Cutler> Starting to progress to already look like he may be better than even a healthy McNabb, it's very early in his career though. Current Edge, debatable...Projected Edge Cutler.

    Kerry Collins> Choked big time in the Super-Bowl worse than McNabb, throws too many INTs and is inconsistent with his play...=mediocre, but better than Vick Young. Edge in both to McNabb.

    Peyton Manning> Better than McNabb, no brainer.

    David Garrard> Second best black QB a good game manager at best...=mediocre. Edge in both to McNabb.

    Drew Brees> Current career Looks as good as McNabb in his best years, but only "arguably" better. Current Edge this year McNabb. Projected Career Edge Brees if he stays healthy. Talent wise around even.

    Matt Schaub> Does not look as good of a player as McNabb IMHO. Edge in both McNabb.

    Eli Manning>Statistically McNabb has better production in the season by quite a bit, but Eli has won the Super-bowl and was big time clutch last year...you make the pick. Plus Eli hasn't shown injury proneness and is younger. I'd stick with Eli on my team if I had a choice hands down, but it is definitely debatable who you would say is better right now. Current Edge=Basically Even Projection..Edge to Eli.

    Derek Anderson> Not better than McNabb at this point, because he throws too many INTs and isn't as consistent as McNabb when Donovan is healthy. Although posts similar career QB ratings so far, Anderson hasn't won a playoff game yet. Current and Projected Edge McNabb

    Kurt Warner> His best years were absolutely better than McNabb's best years, with the great Ram's offenses and o-lines. However, hasn't looked the same since concussion problems struck, has had a very short career as a healthy starter. Will Kurt get energized from a brilliant last game? Currently McNabb is better IMO. Projected Career Edge McNabb.

    Carson Palmer> Has not shown that he is better than McNabb yet, had one brilliant year, one impressive year, one pretty good year, but hasn't progressed far into the playoffs. He regressed last year and this year so far, though not all his fault. Shows better down-field accuracy than McNabb, but throws more interceptions. Palmer has tons of natural talent though and will be the better player if he actually gets an o-line and non-trouble making WRs IMO. Current Edge McNabb, but Palmer Projects as slightly better than McNabb talent wise.

    Ben Roethlisberger> An amazing QB who is third best in the league already. Has already won the Super-bowl and makes plays consistently despite porous blocking. Edge to Big Ben in both.

    Marc Bulger> A similar QB to McNabb as far as statistical production when healthy. However, had better receivers until Kevin Curtis and now DeSean Jackson this year were on board for McNabb. I'd take a healthy McNabb. Slight edge in both to McNabb.

    Aaron Rodgers> Great college player; Projecting like he may be better than McNabb, very early though and of course he has tons of receiving options and a great o-line. Yet he has looked very impressive in his reads and the Packers must think a bunch of him to part ways with future HOFer Favre. It's too early to tell for sure, but I'll project that Rodgers will exceed McNabb. Current Edge McNabb, Projected Edge Rodgers.

    Matt Cassel> TO say this guy has shown anything to indicate superiority over McNabb would be borderline retarded.

    Trent Edwards> Looks pretty good this year. He is very young and it is too early to tell if he will exceed McNabb. Was impressed with him at Stanford on a bad team, but not overly impressed. Edge both to McNabb Projected/ currently.

    J.T. O'Sullivan> Don't know anything about his resume, but what has he done other than open pretty well in his first two starts? Had no hype coming out of college. Edge both to McNabb.

    Matt Ryan> Was a good college player, but INTs were a weakness. Hasn't proven any superiority over McNabb yet. A good opening game and one inept game so far. Still in the learning process. Edge to McNabb currently. Projected Edge...Incomplete.

    Philip Rivers> Has a lot of talent, but hasn't shown the consistency to be considered better than a healthy McNabb so far. I'd give a healthy McNabb an edge currently...Projected edge my guess is Rivers, close call.

    Tarvaris Jackson> Plays QB like the Vikings stuck a H.S QB out there, enough said.

    Jake Delhomme> A good QB, but not quite as good as a healthy McNabb IMO. Edge McNabb in both.

    Chad Pennington> Injury problems just like McNabb, but has not been as consistent, not led his team as far into the playoffs=Above average before injury. Edge McNabb in both.

    Brett Favre>Similar to McNabb statistically, but has a Super-bowl ring=better...And Favre is an iron man who has played long enough to break the record books=A top 5 all-time great as of right now. Prime years and Career Edge to Favre.

    Joe Flacco> Small school QB, hasn't shown signs yet that he is better than McNabb, but is adapting to the game better than expected so far. Definitely too early to tell. Edge McNabb currently, Projected...Incomplete.

    Brian Greise> Not better than McNabb. Edge McNabb in both.

    Matt Hasselback> =About equal level of play to McNabb. Edge about even, career wise and projection.

    Jeff Garcia> Definitely a good QB when he has been on the field with some players around him. Very close to on-par with McNabb. Slight Edge McNabb in both.

    So basically...Yes Steve Young is wrong that McNabb is a top 3 QB currently, but he still is absolutely in the top 10 right now IMO. Let's give the guy a little credit. To say that if he were white he might be in the Arena League right now after what he's accomplished as Giovanni hinted at is incorrect.

    Basically there are only 4 QBs that are clearly currently better than a healthy McNabb IMO; Brady, Manning, Romo, Rothlisberger.

    But career wise there are 10 guys that I project to have more accomplished careers, b/c of McNabb constantly missing games.

























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  10. GiovaniMarcon

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    ^^^ TJR I respect and appreciate your differing viewpoint, however I stand by my own opinion that McNabb, while undoubtedly a solid quarterback in any scenario, has the double advantage of:

    a. a high amount of media support -- definitely more so than would be given to a white QB of similar ability. This not only gives the American public the impression that he is a tremendous QB -- whether or not that might be true -- but also gives him the psychological edge that people are on his side (unlike Eli Manning, who was challenged at every turn in NYC). The media support he has been given does not appear to have become synonymous with undue pressure, as any of his failures are quickly forgiven, forgotten, or distorted. We need only remember what happened to that obese Limbaugh fellow for simply pointing out the fact that McNabb is overrated.

    b. a high amount of support from management, both from his team and the NFL as a whole, that wants to see a black QB succeed. Thus he is given greater opportunity to prove himself and his mistakes, if any, are once again glossed over. He gets chances. Unlike, say, Brian Leonard, whom the NFL seems eager to destroy at RB. I completely forgot about McNabb puking at the Super Bowl -- it isn't really mentioned a lot. However I do hear a lot about Brady choking at the Super Bowl last year.

    As you've pointed out, McNabb has had his share of injury problems. I don't think anyone was saying McNabb isn't a good QB, maybe even a very good or great one, however his durability seems to be an issue. Maybe McNabb will indeed have several more great seasons if he stays healthy, however I think when white QBs (or any positions players) are judged and out of say, a ten year career they spend five of them nursing broken this-or-that, critics will say they're injury prone and maybe even a bust.

    There wouldn't be this whole "he'd be a HOF'er if those pesky linebackers would just stop sacking him already."

    I would love to say that McNabb is one of the top five QBs ever when he's healthy, but that in my opinion would sort of like be saying Brad Hoover would be one of the best runningbacks of all time if the Panthers would use him. Just not computable, because McNabb is always injured, and Hoover never gets to play. Give credit to McNabb? Maybe. But first I'll give credit to the many, many white quarterbacks who can gut it out hurt, better than him, or use their "non stop motor" or "old-school mac truck work ethic" or "bulldozer tenacity" to avoid getting hurt in the first place.

    I think it's a bit of a spurious argument to advocate for a milder and more charitable view of Donovan McNabb when the league he plays in is notorious (at least to us) for never giving white boys even more talented than McNabb a ghost of a chance to play QB, let alone RB, LB, or CB with the same level of support and developmental time. Or any other position.

    What kind of career could Mike Alstott have had if he had actually been given the ball and hadn't spent a decade blocking -- banging up his body so that lesser talents wouldn't take the hits? He already is a sure HOF'er. I believe he might have been in the running for the best feature back ever.

    And yes, Donny McChunkysoupCommercial is a Faberge egg -- highly valued for various (some silly) reasons, but ultimately in practical terms he can be easily crushed and unfortunately can't even be made into an omelet or thrown at some dork's house on Halloween.Edited by: GiovaniMarcon
     
  11. ToughJ.Riggins

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    Well if what you are trying to say in your last post is what you believe, than I agree with most of it. He is a serious injury risk. But even if McNabb were white he would start somewhere despite his injury problems. He may have been forced out of Phili for Kolb or forced to take a pay cut, but he would start somewhere for a team in need. Lets look at his QB rating in the last 5 seasons, where despite injury he has posted his best numbers when on the field.

    2004: 15 games 104.7 rating
    2005: 9 games an 85 QB rating, his worst year by far in this time span.
    2006: 10 games 95.5 rating.
    2007: Healthy most of the year; 14 games 89.9 rating.
    2008: 2 games So far 114.1 rating. would be higher if not for idiot DeSean Jackson.

    My point is he puts up consistent HOF numbers when he is on the field. He wasn't considered injury prone until 2005 and 2006, two injury filled years. However, it looks as though his QB rating would be in the mid 90s over the last 5 years when on the field. That is consistency when on the field. There are a mere 4 QBs, IMO, that have shown to be better than a healthy McNabb by their play and talent currently IMO (Brady, Manning, Rothlisberger for sure and Romo (fairly arguable). But yes your point is well taken, if McNabb keeps getting injured he will not deserve the hall of fame and it is going to be very hard for him to win the Super-bowl with all the QB talent right now.
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    Quarterback rating as an isolated statistic is not nearly enough in and of itself to decide whether a QB is Hall of Fame material or not.


    McNabb ranks 14th all time in career QB rating -- BUT ahead of him are Trent Green, Chad Pennington, and, yes, Daunte Culpepper. Culpepper has the sixth best career passer rating in NFL history, but not even the most addle-pated Caste System supporter is going to argue that he belongs in Canton.


    Another thing to remember is that thepassing gameis much different than it used to be -- there are far more short and intermediate passes now, little more than glorified running plays, which is why very few pre-1990s quarterbacks fare well in the QB rating statistic.


    I think McNabb's strongest statistic is his TD to pick ratio -- 175 to 79. That's outstanding. There's no question he had some excellent years before he became injury prone, though he's thrown over 21 TD passes only twice in his career.


    For that five year stretch between '00 and '04McNabb was good for roughly 4,000 combined yards passing and running. He led his team to several conference championship gamesand one Super Bowl. If he can stay healthy and productive like he used to be for five or six more years then I think he gets in the HOF the first year he's eligible, but that's a big if.Edited by: Don Wassall
     
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    I agree; McNabb's TD to INT ratio is better than Favre's and many of the all-time great's for sure, that definitely is a huge strength. His best year was 31 Tds, which is still pretty impressive...

    Unlike lots of other black QBs McNabb is not a game manager. For instance David Gerrard has a great QB rating like McNabb, but is a game manager and is bad on the long ball, which is another reason Matt Jones is a bad fit for the team. It's like Randy Moss's current situation with Cassell as a starter. Gerrard completes a high percentage on short throws and throws few interceptions giving him a 86 career QB rating so far, but struggles mightily hitting a receiver over 15 yards.

    McNabb has posted at least 7 Yards per pass attempt since his best year in 2004. He is good at checking off to Westbrook if he is the best option, similar while receiving the ball to Welker, who can get decent gains even on short throws; so that helps a little. McNabb's coming out party was really in 2001. His first two years were horrible and both under 6 Yards per pass attempt.

    Edited to add: He also has a solid 58.8% completion percentage. Career best; impressive 64% of his passes completed in 2004.
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  14. foreverfree

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    Hey guys, what's a "game manager"? This website introduced me to the term a couple of days ago.

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    A game manager in NFL parlance is a quarterback who can't win the game for you, like a Brady or Elway, but won't lose it for you, either, with too many interceptions or avoidable sacks.

    The game managing quarterback is adept at handing off to running backs, and making short throws. He won't throw the ball downfield, he'll throw the ball out of bounds instead of risking an interception, and will fall to the ground to avoid a fumble instead of scrambling to avoid a sack.

    Sounds pretty safe, but the drawback of the game manager is that your playbook is limited by his inability or unwillingness to throw the ball downfield; when your team is down and time is running out, he can't be counted upon to make big plays, either with his reads, throws, or his feet. He is just out there to run the plays as called and avoid mistakes that could cost his team the game.
     
  16. PhillyBirds

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    A game manager is a quarterback who plays a game without making any mistakes, but not necessarily being a huge playmaker. Quarterbacks like Brad Johnson and Brain Griese are examples. Solid performers who won't lose the game for you with a costly gamble.

    However, this term is now generally just reserved for white quarterbacks with low mobility. Despite the fact that white QBs consistently put up spectacular numbers and solid games, they are characterized as "game managers". Their black counterparts, however, are always "playmakers" and "superstars".

    Aaron Rogers is a good example. Despite his spectacular first few games, he was said to have done a good job "managing the game."
     
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    D'oh! I type too slow...

    You must have only beat me by a few seconds! [​IMG] Edited by: PhillyBirds
     
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    No, you added a great point - this term is now usually reserved for white quarterbacks, regardless of how well they play. They've even called Tom Brady a 'game manager' for Heaven's sake!
     
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    "No, you added a great point - this term is now usually reserved for white quarterbacks, regardless of how well they play. They've even called Tom Brady a 'game manager' for Heaven's sake!"


    Right, perhaps the biggest evidence of all that the professional jock-sniffers can put their little "spin" on ANY idea and warp the opinions of almost every intoxicated white fan. These idiot talking points are repeated by the sheep, until it is considered truth.

    A very similar phenomena (well, more like a rigid caste system) to only calling white defensive studs "high-motor," "overachiever," "high character," etc.

    If Tom Brady, the most clutch QB to ever play in the NFL (yes, more so than Montanta) is a game manager....what the hell does that make everybody else, white or black? This pathtic league provides some hilarity, if nothing else.
     
  20. GiovaniMarcon

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    A game manager is like the white quarterback who slowly but surely builds an insurmountable lead for the first three quarters of a game, and the playmaker is the black quarterback who loses that lead by throwing two interceptions in the last quarter.

    Game managers also get all the blame for a defeat and none of the credit for a victory.

    In short, a game manager is your strict dad who teaches you how to be a man, but you don't appreciate him when you're a kid because you look up to "fun uncle James," but as you get older you realize what a jacka$$ your uncle was for letting you play with firecrackers in a heavily wooded area.
     
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  22. foreverfree

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    Thanks for clarifying about "game managers", guys.

    I'm sorry I didn't think of creating another thread just for that topic. [​IMG]

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  23. Kaptain

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    I never disregarded McNabb. 11-25 is somewhere in the middle of a very talented quarterback pool. Putting him in the top 5 and talk of the HOF is absolutely "fawning." For heaven's sake, he's not Tiki Barber you know!

    The fact that I thought he was mediocre QB and you thought he was between that and near the top 5 is a matter of opinion (I'm right and you're wrong)that certainly is arguable either way. To say that my opinion "illegitimizes" this website is complete fodder. Who made you the PC opinion monitor of this website? And why do you always worry how "silly" we look to retarded jocksniffers? We are whole lot smarter than any other site out there.

    Next time I see you "worry" about this site I'm not going to be see nice and pleasant in my postings.

    Just for you info, here is why I don't think he is top 5:

    1) everyone who replaces him outperforms him or does nearly as well. He has a good team to play on.

    2) He's not clutch, and I'm not just talking about the superbowl. He rates very low on my list of QBs I would like to have in the last few minutes of the game to come from behind. A necessary ingredient for any QB considered to be "great."

    That's it. That's all it takes to be out of the top 5. He is the best black QB out there - and rivals Moon for the greatest black QB of all time.
     
  24. White Shogun

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    I have to agree with Poop's points 1 and 2. Top five quarterbacks perform in the clutch. Favre has done that in the past, and choked in the past, too. Favre can really take over a game, or he can put one in the tank, it's like every Sunday is a crap shoot.

    This season's top five after four games... hm. Off the top of my head I'd say Drew Brees is number 1...with Jay Cutler, Rivers, Favre.. maybe Romo? Without Peyton performing at his best and with Brady out, the top five in my opinion can be switched around depending on whether you're looking at TD's, yardage, QB rating, etc.

    My .02.
     
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