Max Schmeling: Raw Deal?

[yanling]

Many boxing fans and sports writers continually refer to former world heavyweight champion Max Schmeling as a Nazi.

Do you agree?

 

[Charles Martel]

What I think is a raw deal is when the media and entertainment industry never fail to mention Joe Louis was past his prime when Rocky Marciano beat him, but they never mention that Max Schmeling was past his prime when he lost the rematch with Louis.

 

[jaxvid]

We had a lively discussion about this before, including talking about a "fix" in the 2nd fight with Louis. Check it out.

Schmeling / Louis fight fixed?

 

[yanling]

JD1986 -- I definitely concur with that fact. The same thing was said about Gerry Cooney's spectacular humiliation of Ken Norton in less than one round in the early 1980s. "Oh, Ken's a shot fighter; this doesn't count. This isn't the same Ken who beat Ali, blah blah blah..."

Yet no one harps so much about the fact that Muhammed Ali defeated Floyd Patterson when the latter was basically geriatric and several years beyond his prime. It is simply used as further evidence of Ali's greatness, as in "Ali crushes a formidable, former heavyweight champ, etc."

Rocky Marciano is of course not taken seriously among liberal sportwriters when discussing the 'best of all time' because to them no white man could ever achieve a 49-0 record legitimately, or if he did it was only because his competition wasn't black enough. Thus his undefeated record is dismissed because Joe louis or Joe Walcott (who received the most devastating punch in the history of boxing from Marciano in their title bout) were older. Also, to discuss Marciano or anyone else as the greatest ever would not conform to the party line that Cassius Clay is the best ever.

He might be, he might not be, but the point is, liberals like to leave the particulars of the debate to themselves, and don't want to include white fighters among their options of best ever.

The fact is Marciano fought any man they put in front of him, white or black, and beat him half to death. He ducked no one.

Jaxvid -- thanks for the link!

 

[Tired old White]

Max Schmeling was most definetly not a Nazi. he served in the German army in WWII for the same reason I served in Viet Nam. His choices we serve , go to jail or flee his homeland. After the war Schmeling fought a few fights to raise enough money to buy into a Coca Cola franchise. He might a good bit of money and when the Brown Bomber was down on his luck he made frequent loans ( of course knowing he would never get any of the repaid ) If Max Schmeling was a racist Nazi he had the softest heart of any I have ever heard of. ( my source for this info was an article in Fox News some months aga )

 

[Alpha Male]

JD1986 -- I definitely concur with that fact. The same thing was said about Gerry Cooney's spectacular humiliation of Ken Norton in less than one round in the early 1980s. "Oh, Ken's a shot fighter; this doesn't count. This isn't the same Ken who beat Ali, blah blah blah..."Yet no one harps so much about the fact that Muhammed Ali defeated Floyd Patterson when the latter was basically geriatric and several years beyond his prime. It is simply used as further evidence of Ali's greatness, as in "Ali crushes a formidable, former heavyweight champ, etc."Rocky Marciano is of course not taken seriously among liberal sportwriters when discussing the 'best of all time' because to them no white man could ever achieve a 49-0 record legitimately, or if he did it was only because his competition wasn't black enough. Thus his undefeated record is dismissed because Joe louis or Joe Walcott (who received the most devastating punch in the history of boxing from Marciano in their title bout) were older. Also, to discuss Marciano or anyone else as the greatest ever would not conform to the party line that Cassius Clay is the best ever.He might be, he might not be, but the point is, liberals like to leave the particulars of the debate to themselves, and don't want to include white fighters among their options of best ever.The fact is Marciano fought any man they put in front of him, white or black, and beat him half to death. He ducked no one.Jaxvid -- thanks for the link!

In the made for television film, "Rocky Marciano," The Rock was portrayed as a bluecollar mineworker with a hard punch. He didn't have any natural rhythm or athletic ability; he had to work hard to become a good fighter.

In truth, Rocky was an all around fantastic athlete. He had dreams of playing professional baseball and, if I recall correctly, played semi-professional football before he ever laced up a glove. He was also incredibly strong.
Edited by: Alpha Male

 

[Solomon Kane]

Didn't the Rock once kill someone in the ring, because his punch was so strong? Or am I confusing him with Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini?

 

[Alpha Male]

The Rock almost killed another talented Italian American fighter (I forget his name). The fighter recovered and the two became friends.

 

[Tired old White]

Max Baer Sr, did kill a another fighter in a boxing match. I do not know his namae. If you really want that information it is in The movie "Cinderella Man"

 

[Trooper Thorn]

The man Baer killed was called Frankie Campbell and the Italian the Marciano put into a coma was Carmin Vingo