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Discussion in 'Jacksonville Jaguars' started by lumsdenpower, Apr 30, 2007.
Forget the color about these two guys. Which boy do you take?
I take Matt Jones.
ehh thats a tough comparison since jones was a qb in college...i think jones has the potential to be just as good but given the fact that johnson is already a reciever he makes more sense as a draft pick...if i had my pick i would go jones because i like him more but i can understand going the other way completely
edit..id like to point out that from a physical attribute standpoint there very similar and thats why i think jones has the potential to be just as goodEdited by: nhl411
Yeah but Jones drops one pass and the announcers start talking about his butterfingers. Calvin will get 10 drops before the anti white announcers rip into him as much. I don't know if Jones will ever make it big in Jacksonville with their vile football program. I just hope he has enough respect to sign with a new team that will play him when his contract is up.Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
I'd take Calvin Johnson. He was the best wideout in the country, and putup tremendous stats despite having a mediocre, 44% pass completing quarterback. Kitna may be a little long in the tooth, but at least he'll get Johnson the rock between the numbers rather than force him to make circus catches.
I imagine Kitna and Stanton are salivating about the prospect of throwing to the Williams/Johnson/Furrey trio.
Calvin has a ton of hype to live up to. He has one serious obstacle to overcome: He was drafted by Matt Millen. So far that's been the Kiss of Death.
Matt Jones needs to break out this year. I've pinned a lot of my waning hopes on him.
Which would I take? Matt, because he has two season's experience and he's going to have a very good year.
Calvin was drafted by Matt Millen.Edited by: Hockaday
Considering how lousy the Jags passing offense is most of the time, and considering that Jacksonville is right up there with the Bengals, Chargers and Vikings when it comes to affletes arrested, I was hoping that Caste junkie Jack Del Rio and his henchmen might see the light and draft Brady Quinn after Del Rio's equally pro-Caste fanatics in Miami passed onQuinn and build around a potentially great quarterback, but of course that didn't happen.
Jones is pretty much screwed where he is. If he somehow manages to have ahuge season in spite of having the Three Black Stoogesplaying quarterback, led by the oft-injured statue Byron Leftwich who still has never thrown for more than a puny 15 touchdowns in a season, it would be miraculous.
Jones is a terrific athlete who is attempting to learn a new position at the highest level. Hopefully, he can get the ball enough this year to show what he can do... Johnson is somewhat comparable as an athlete, but has the huge advantage of having played the position in college so I would have to take Johnson.
Calvin Johnson just caught 127 of 271 passes thrown to him. Ok he has a poor QB but that's even not 50pourcent lol..He is not so good like they said..another big hype for another black
Don, I must correct you on something. Being that I live in South Florida, I follow the Dolphins pretty closely. The media here has been calling for Cameron and Muellers heads for passing on Brady Quinn, but the reason they did so was not because of the caste system. It was because they had BYU QB John Beck rated higher than Quinn. Being that I am a huge BYU fan, I can honestly say that I think Beck is going to be an awesome quarterback. He has everything you would want in a QB, intelligence, arm strength, leadership, and accuracy. Even though I like Brady Quinn, I feel he was hyped up because he played at Notre Dame under a very noteworthy coach in Charlie Weis.
Looking at the Dolphins draft under Cameron, it is pretty racially balanced. You have a couple of whites, a couple of blacks, and a couple of polynesians. Compare that to Sabans drafts which were nearly all black. I'm liking what I am seeing by the Dolphins so far, and I think they may be on the path back to prominence.
Lance Alworth, good post, but Don's other arguement was very strong that Jacksonville's QB's are not very good. Leftwich tends to manage games not to lose them, but won't win them. By this I mean that he posts lousy offensive numbers and a below average completion percentage but doesn't throw many interceptions. Jacksonville should have grabbed a QB that can win games. Leftwich isn't going to bring Jacksonvile a Super Bowl and his receivers numbers will continue to be lousy ie. low yardage.
I think Jones could be as good maybe even better than Calvin if he got in a better system. Jones not only ran a 4.37 40 yard, but posted a phenomenal 10 yard dash, a 39.5 inch verticle, a good short shuttle and a broad jump of 10-9 I believe. I will double check this. Jones is also stronger, I think he has more potential and if Lumsden's numbers on catch percentage are correct, Calvin probably doesn't have superior hands to the much maligned Matt Jones either.
Matt Jones hands are already decent and also have the chance to improve because he is learning a new position, Calvin's probably do not. Sorry for the long post, but as always I have lots of points to get across. Tough choice but I'd probably go with Jones.Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
Thanks J Riggins. I was speaking mainly from Miami's point of view but I absoltely agree with you that Jacksonville should have snagged Quinn. Jacksonville's QB's are absolutely abysmal. Leftwich is nothing more than a black Jay Fiedler (albeit with a better arm) while Garrard is just a poor mans Kordell Stewart. I feel sorry for Matt Jones because he could have had a QB that could get him the ball
I don't know if anybody else caught this. The black guy on the far right of the picture during ESPN's 2007 draft day said the BYU quarterback has a "sneaky" strong arm. This appears to be the new up and coming favorite adjective to describe white athletes.
John Beck = sneaky strong
Roman Greenberg = sneaky dangerous
Brian Finneran = sneaky speed
Just read on a fantasy football site that Matt Jones had been running with the second team in minicamp, even before yet another of his injuries. No matter how many times this happens, it never fails to amaze me. The ONLY thing Matt Jones has going against him is his skin pigmentation disorder. If he was black, the acclaim and attention he'd be getting from the jock-sniffers in the media would be non-stop. Someone that big and that fast would be treated like Mike/Michael Vick, if he was black. There is absolutely no difference between what goes on in the NFL, NBA and MLB today and what goes on in every company (and government agency) in America. Affirmative Action is one of the primary pillars of Don King's America. We need to stop supporting this dishonesty and unfairness with our dollars.
I would like to see Matt Jones go to a team with a quality quarterback like a Drew Brees or maybe even Brett Favre
I saw on KFFL, Matt Jones may be in competition for a roster spot (Said the same thing about Reggie Williams) but I mean for a project like Jones they are giving him a short leash...i wonder why?
Jaguars | M. Jones fighting for roster spot?
Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:30:33 -0700
Vito Stellino, of the Florida Times-Union, reports Jacksonville Jaguars WR Matt Jones will likely be competing for a roster spot during training camp. "Well, they don't stand at the front of the line," head coach Jack Del Rio said when asked where Jones and WR Reggie Williams stood on the team's depth chart.
Apparently Charles Sharon has really stood out on OTA'S I believe Mike Hass did as well so I hope Sharon gets the same fate.
yeah i saw it yesterday... apparently both Matt Jones and Williams are in Del Rio's doghouse... WTF
It might be a motivational thing, i dunno. For the playing time Matt Jones gets and the mediocre QB play I think he has done pretty good considering he never played the position until he came into the NFL.
The best thing for Matt Jones would be to be released. Let face it, the only good thing for Jones was the draft but they pass on Brady Quinn so forget about this team with theiri poor QB. I wil lbe happy if Jones will be released. He will never had season of 1000yards in this team. At his first drop, he will be benshed.
The sooner Matt leaves that circus, the better off he will be.
Has any college quarterback switched to wide receiver in the NFL and succeeded? Drew Bennett is the only player who comes to mind. The transition must be very difficult retraining your muscle memory and all that. Like learning a language, the older you are the harder it is. Matt would surely be better off now had he played wide receiver in college.
I know Matt has the speed to get separation. Maybe he needs to get some separation from Jack Del Rio.
Drew Bennett was a backup QB at UCLA who hardly played. The myth is that the "athletes" play everywhere but quarterback and kicker, but the QB is usually the best athlete on the team. Bennett is but the tip of the iceberg of what should be at the receiver position.
I didn't know Bennett hardly played in college. That makes his beating the odds as an undrafted player making it in the NFL all that more impressive. I wonder if any of the QB's and wide receivers who played ahead of him are in the NFL.
I hope Drew and Matt can both have a great year.
Guys that come to mind are Antwan Randle El (mediocre WR), and Hines Ward and Anquan Boldin, who both played some QB for their college teams.
Given that about half of starting QBs in I-A are now black, many of whom shouldn't be, a fair amount who have the "measurables" to possibly make it in the NFL switch positions. Michael Robinson, Brad Smith, and Isiah Stanback just in the past couple years among others.
Even St. Tony Dungy was an early black QB in college who switched to DB in the NFL.