MADDEN video game series

[Guest]

I've been a fan of the MADDEN games on playstation for years...that's how I accidentally came to this board; looking for 40-times for players related to MADDEN 2005...


Anyhow, I was always sort of puzzled by some of the bizarre rankings applied to the players' skill rubricks, and noticed some very suspicious, seemingly racially motivated mis-estimating of players. I recall in MADDEN '99 that second-year man Tim DWIGHT, then at the peak of his powers and basically a guy that would be competing in the Olympics at 100m for just about any country on Earth short of maybe the top 3 or 4 (USA, UK, etc) had a SPEED rating some 2 or 3 points (probably a 95 or 96 rating out of 99) lower than Deion SANDERS, a guy who, by '99 was quite past his prime. Further evidenced in the pedestrian ranking of Travis JERVEY, a guy I knew was still pretty much among the top 10 fastest menin the NFL. They had him rated for SPEED similarly to guys like Eddie GEORGE, who was never really that fast of a guy. There were innumerable other such instances of clearly racially motivated down-gradings.


I suspect that some other posters may be similarly interested in the MADDEN series, or there shall be others happening onto this board in a similar fashion as had I...


I'd like to start this thread for anyone interested in MADDEN, updating and pro-rating player rankings, or otherwise expressing their views on MADDEN as a possible tool of social stereotyping and even, dare I say, social engineering...


Think about this: more kids play video games about football, basketball, etc., than actually watch or participate in these games nowadays...a great way to ply the self-perception of a people is to manipulate how said people come to formulate themselves in critical formative years.


Teach young blackchilden immersed in these games that they are inherently physically superior by the immutable virtue of their corporal gifts, whilst simultaneously instilling in the non-blackkids (I include Asians and Hispanics in this)a sense of innate subordination to a looming horde of simian ubermen. Never mind that 99.9% of black kids who try out in the highly competitiveworld of pro-sport have no more a chance of making any real living than the rest of the population...by the time they're 22, and the big time college is done with them, and they've not actually been learning anything in their remedial classes, they wind up anonymous and burdened by a hugely inflated ego which makes them a danger to themselves and whatever community they return to.

 

[jaxvid]

Dude you have really hit on a good issue! Video games are a form of conditioning and if what you say is true (I have no doubt you are right) then we are talking some high tech brainwashing.

It would be worth checking out other players to see if how prevalent this is.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

I have no doubt it exists, and probably from the start. The first Madden game was 1995 I believe. I think my cousin has that game. Maybe I can check it out sometime. A good idea would be to compare players on NCAA football 98-05 as well.

 

[white lightning]

I totally agree with your stance on the Madden Games and
it is no different in the basketball video games.I got
one after Brent Barry won the Dunk Contest with a dunk
from the free throw line.On the game he was only a little
above average jumper.What a complete joke and it really
pisses me off.
On a different note,I read that Luke Staley recently
played in a scrimmage game against the current team.
Also Danny Farmer just a couple of days ago played in
a scrimmage against the current ucla team.I love this
because it will hopefully lite a fire as big as a
volcano for them to play again.I think Farmer will hook
up with someone this year.As for Staley,I can only hope
that he finally gets the itch to make a comeback.I think
Luke will regret it the rest of his life if he doesn't
give it one more shot!He can still be the man he was if
he just finds a team to give him a shot.We can only
hope for both of these young kids.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

I hope they will both get back in too. i remember my cousins NBA Jams game back in the early 90's and its rankings seemed biased towards black players.

 

[StaleyWasScrewd]

Here's another Madden anecdote. As people who have played the game know, players are given one of three skin tones: light (for whites), light brown (for Hispanics, Asians, and light-skinned blacks), and dark brown (for dark-skinned blacks). During Jason Sehorn's first year as a starting corner, he was given the "light brown" skin tone -- it's like the developers couldn't believe that a white guy could play CB, and that he had to be a light-skinned black guy!

 

[Guest]

Perhaps this had more to do with SEHORN's rather swarthy complexion and a tendency to tanning...this during his very self-absorbed, media-darling height of popularity...even in the recent MADDEN games, the darker caucasian players are sometimes assigned the "medium" tonal qualitative...Colts' Brad PYATT comes to mind, as he is a pretty olive-skinned guy.


I recall TECMO SUPER BOWL on the old NES platform, which had the 1990-91 rosters. I was just a kid at the time, and didn't know a heck of a lot about football...because of this game, I thought for years that Rod WOODSON was white! Same with Johnny JOHNSON of the Phoenix Cardinals. I suppose these were just some Japanese salary-man-programmer's best attempts at guessing players' ethnicities based on grainy, black-and-white NFL program photos, rather than being some racial statement.

 

[Freethinker]

Saw an interesting tidbit about the new Madden. 3 of the 4 players receiving a 99 rating, which is the highest, are White. JJ Watt. Rob Gronkowski. Luke Keuchly. The lone black is Von Miller.

How is this possible in a league that's overwhelming black? How did these 3 rise to the top when White athletes are overlooked after high school? Why aren't more college programs and NFL teams trying to find more Watts or Keuchlys?

We've discussed this many times but this is a statistical anomaly. This is only empirical evidence but evidence nonetheless that the Caste System exists.

 

[Thrashen]

Rob Gronkowski, the league's best offensive player (and most extroverted white athlete), will be on the cover of the Madden 17 game. Pretty cool, considering the game is religiously purchased by millions of DWF's and there's generally a massive advertising campaign to promote the latest installment...

The game has had 18 "cover athletes" and of them, only 4 have been white (Gronkowski, Hillis, Brees, Favre). I hope the unstoppable TE has the best season of his career.

 

[davidholly]

2k5 for life.

 

[IKone152]

I've been a fan of the MADDEN games on playstation for years...that's how I accidentally came to this board; looking for 40-times for players related to MADDEN 2005... Anyhow, I was always sort of puzzled by some of the bizarre rankings applied to the players' skill rubricks, and noticed some very suspicious, seemingly racially motivated mis-estimating of players. I recall in MADDEN '99 that second-year man Tim DWIGHT, then at the peak of his powers and basically a guy that would be competing in the Olympics at 100m for just about any country on Earth short of maybe the top 3 or 4 (USA, UK, etc) had a SPEED rating some 2 or 3 points (probably a 95 or 96 rating out of 99) lower than Deion SANDERS, a guy who, by '99 was quite past his prime. Further evidenced in the pedestrian ranking of Travis JERVEY, a guy I knew was still pretty much among the top 10 fastest menin the NFL. They had him rated for SPEED similarly to guys like Eddie GEORGE, who was never really that fast of a guy. There were innumerable other such instances of clearly racially motivated down-gradings. I suspect that some other posters may be similarly interested in the MADDEN series, or there shall be others happening onto this board in a similar fashion as had I... I'd like to start this thread for anyone interested in MADDEN, updating and pro-rating player rankings, or otherwise expressing their views on MADDEN as a possible tool of social stereotyping and even, dare I say, social engineering... Think about this: more kids play video games about football, basketball, etc., than actually watch or participate in these games nowadays...a great way to ply the self-perception of a people is to manipulate how said people come to formulate themselves in critical formative years. Teach young blackchilden immersed in these games that they are inherently physically superior by the immutable virtue of their corporal gifts, whilst simultaneously instilling in the non-blackkids (I include Asians and Hispanics in this)a sense of innate subordination to a looming horde of simian ubermen. Never mind that 99.9% of black kids who try out in the highly competitiveworld of pro-sport have no more a chance of making any real living than the rest of the population...by the time they're 22, and the big time college is done with them, and they've not actually been learning anything in their remedial classes, they wind up anonymous and burdened by a hugely inflated ego which makes them a danger to themselves and whatever community they return to.

 

[IKone152]

man I think you are right thepiratebays.org

 

[icsept]

Rob Gronkowski, the league's best offensive player (and most extroverted white athlete), will be on the cover of the Madden 17 game. Pretty cool, considering the game is religiously purchased by millions of DWF's and there's generally a massive advertising campaign to promote the latest installment...

The game has had 18 "cover athletes" and of them, only 4 have been white (Gronkowski, Hillis, Brees, Favre). I hope the unstoppable TE has the best season of his career.

Madden curse strikes again.

 

[NWsoccerfan]

I noticed something about the NCAA game a few years back. Not madden, but close enough I think. Anyhow, on the NCAA game you can do a 'dynasty' mode where you essentially run a college team for something like 20 years. Each year the game generates a whole bunch of recruits from different cities across the country and you have a chance to try and recruit the best players. I played the game through about 10 seasons and there was not a single white cornerback or running back recruit ever. Yet there were a ton of black quarterback recruits of course. Also, almost entirely all the punter/kicker recruits were white. Total caste brainwashing! I quit and have never played the NCAA/madden games again. This was 4-5 years ago so the game may have changed now.

 

[FootballDad]

I noticed something about the NCAA game a few years back. Not madden, but close enough I think. Anyhow, on the NCAA game you can do a 'dynasty' mode where you essentially run a college team for something like 20 years. Each year the game generates a whole bunch of recruits from different cities across the country and you have a chance to try and recruit the best players. I played the game through about 10 seasons and there was not a single white cornerback or running back recruit ever. Yet there were a ton of black quarterback recruits of course. Also, almost entirely all the punter/kicker recruits were white. Total caste brainwashing! I quit and have never played the NCAA/madden games again. This was 4-5 years ago so the game may have changed now.

I stopped playing the Madden games when they stopped making them for PCs. From what I can see on the Xbox and PS4 versions, nothing has really changed in the dynasty-type modes. Sure, you can create a white RB or whatever, but they will be inferior to a black player with the exact same measurables.

 

[celticdb15]

Surprisingly the newest and last NCAA 14 football game is the fairest game recruiting wise I was shocked the game is about 50/50 black and white regardless of the position. Admittedly I'm a bit of a NCAA nerd in my HS and middle school days so I've played just about every year they've made.

**Controls on this game is great, the control you have running the ball and making cuts is crazy. Gaming really has come a long way from the beginning to thelate 90s early 2000s when I started playing to now. Even though gaming culture is crippling American youth currently(so many kids are couch potatoes, don't play sports), I do think it can be relaxing. As long as you don't revolve your time around it, like anything moderation is key.