Lucas Browne

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  1. Charles Martel

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    Australian Lucas Browne had a late start to boxing, but he's a strong puncher and has been doing very well with a record of 18-0. Today he beat ex-convict Richard Towers impressively.

    Here's the TKO:

     
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    Very nice. Brown has trimmed down too. That was the lightest he ever fought at as a pro.
     
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    Talk about heavy hands. What a slugger!
     
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    They all do - in the USSA and USSK - otherwise they don't get hired, or else get fired by the hate-crazed cult that runs the media. The only relatively recent boxing announcer that comes to mind who didn't was, ironically, George Foreman. It's so nice to watch the old fights where the announcers simply reported what was happening instead of spewing their idiotic politically correct agitprop.
     
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    I wouldnt want to see big Browne moved up too fast, but if he adds just a little bit of footwork, and a little bit of head movement he could be the real deal.
     
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    Lucas "Big Daddy" Browne, 20-0, 18 KO, fights Rudenko from Ukraine, 24-0, 16 KO, Friday Aug 1st, in the UK. Rudenko is promoted by the Klitschkos.

    Browne posted this on his Twitter page:

    "All brits get out to @bigdaddybrowne1 fight and support him, unlike your fighters he turns up!"
     
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    Big Daddy won what observers say was a close decision.
     
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    Ah, to be honest of Browne, he's just a walk-block-punch guy. He's tough and hits hard but he can't box much and hasn't added almost any tools to his tool box since he started his career. He's the club bouncer type. But, I wish him well.
     
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    I agree.

    Browne is a poor man's Frans Botha.
     
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    I can remember in the mid 2000's Chagaev was one of the better prospects in the heavyweight division. He had a very good amateur background and had some good KO wins coming up the ladder. I particularly remember him KOing Rob Calloway in a very devastating fashion. Chagaev looked great on the way up. He eventually won a title, I think on a decision win over Nikolay Valuev if my memory serves me correctly. I remember watching that fight.

    Chagaev never really lived up the "hype" that he had from hardcore boxing fans in the mid 2000's. We were all hoping for a heavyweight version of Sergey Kovalev, and for a bit it looked like Chagaev would be that man, but after he won the title he had some very dull fights, I remember him winning a decision over Negro British Matt Skelton in a very forgettable encounter. Then Chagaev eventually lost his title, he was stopped by Wlad in 2009 when Wlad was at his best.

    Chagaev seems to have peaked and reached his prime in 2006, 2007, 2008, or 2009. Now he is not the same killer that he used to be. Haven't seen much of Browne, think I caught a bit of his last fight VS Julius Long. Was not impressed. Chagaev is probably the better boxer and technician. Browne may be the harder hitter and brawler. May the best man win! I'll try and catch this fight on the weekend.
     
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    Pretty impressive highlight video. He can hit and he's strong, that's for sure. A bit like Kovalev in that department.

    Power punching will only take you so far though, as we saw when Lemieux fought Golovkin, or when Stevens fought Golovkin. Both of those guys (Lemieux and Stevens) are very big hitters, perhaps even better punchers than Golovkin, but Golovkin stopped both of them because more than just power, Golovkin also has technique, defense, and know-how.

    Sergey Kovalev is arguably the best fighter in the entire sport right now. His crushing KO power is a large part of the reason he is so good. But more than his power, he can box too. He's got defense, technique, speed, timing, footwork. Its all of these things that almost make him unbeatable.

    Browne is a beast and can hit. But I wonder if he can do anything else? As we saw with Lemieux, hitting hard will only get you so far.

    Chagaev has an extensive amateur background and will be by far the better boxer and technical fighter. This fight will be Browne's strength VS Chagaev's technical skills. If this was Chagaev earlier in his career, I would feel confident predicting a Chagaev decision win. But because Chagaev seems to have faded, and is smaller, it's a hard fight to predict. Browne better be careful though, even though Chagaev is smaller than him, Browne seems easy to hit, and that might invite an overhand left from Chagaev. Chagaev is not a huge puncher, but he can KO you if he lands clean.

    Interesting to note Chagaev has weighed in at a career high for this fight, 249 pounds. That is a lot of weight considering his height is only 5'11". Wonder if its a lack of training or perhaps some sort of "strategy"?

    Would love to see Browne VS Wilder, think Browne would have a good chance to win that one. Povetkin would smash both of them (Wilder and Browne) though. Povetkin hits just as hard as Browne and more than that he's got the technique to back it up!
     
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    Browne knocks out Chagaev. Full fight below. Browne actually showed some boxing in this fight and moved around for 91/2 rounds, got off the floor, was cut, and still knocked down Chagaev with a sledgehammer counter-right; Chagaev got up only to be pounded out on his feet. Chagaev looked like an ISIS terrorist along with his Chechen pals. Oh well, they were good enough sports about it.


     
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    My thoughts on the Chagaev-Browne fight and the overall Grozny card:

    First of all, I have to say that was a great card! Lots of good match ups featuring boxers from all over the world. The production was done very well. The way fighters were introduced was sharp, the arena extremely modern and completely sold out it looked like. Video presentation was excellent. So, I think the Russians staged a good production card that rivals what I've seen anywhere else in the world.

    The card featured a lot of Muslim Russian fighters (because of the location in Chechnya), and for the most part I thought they fought good. Umar Salamov looked great in TKOing his Negro opponent Joey Vegas. Salamov is now 15-0 at Light Heavy and becoming an established contender. Apti Ustarkhanov also looked good in KOing his Negro opponent in 2 rounds (dropped him 3 times). Movsur Yusupov also KO'd his Negro opponent.

    Young Russian Viskhan Murzabekov I thought put forth a good showing, only for the judges to give the fight to his Negro opponent Ali Funeka. I watched the whole fight, and I would have had Murzabekov slightly ahead in the fight. The British feed had 2 commentators scoring and 1 had it for Murzabekov and 1 for Funeka. So it was clearly a close fight. Unfortunately the judges sided with the African and gave him the fight on a split decision. That's disappointing because I thought Murzabekov looked pretty good. Especially when you consider he is young, only had 12 fights, and he's fighting Funeka who has fought some of the best at his weight class, and has had like 45 fights. I think it's the type of fight Murzabekov can learn from and become a much better fighter. He was very unlucky that they gave the fight to the Negro.

    As for the Main Event, well you have to congratulate Lucas Browne on an absolute top notch effort. He was dropped hard in round 6 (at that point it looked likely he would be stopped), cut in multiple places and bleeding heavily, and I believe was trailing on all 3 judges cards when he turned the fight around with 1 punch and subsequently won by TKO. I've been watching boxing for 16 years, and that's one of the more dramatic come from behind victories I've ever seen. I was scoring the fight and had the fight 88-84 up to that point in favour of Chagaev (or 5 rounds Chagaev, 2 rounds Browne, 2 rounds even). Lucas Browne showed the heart of a champion and showed why its important to never give up. He is a true champ and deserves his victory. The come from behind win reminded me of something Arturo Gatti would pull off in his day.

    I'm trying to think of similar fights, Kelly Pavlik getting dropped by Jermain Taylor then coming back to brutally KO Taylor was probably a bit more dramatic than this. But this is up there with one of the better come from behind wins I've seen.

    Chagaev has got to be disappointed with that, he was ahead on the cards and had a chance where he could have won by KO. But sometimes thats the way things go. Actually not all that different than Szpilka who I thought was ahead in his fight with Wilder but ran into a shot and was KO'd. With all of Chagaev's experience (he was a world amateur champion) he probably could have and should have done better than that. Browne is a guy with a limited boxing background who took up the sport late and was a bar doorman. Of course, it is also true that Browne is a much bigger man naturally though. But I guess thats the great thing about boxing, upsets happen, and punching power is the great equalizer.

    I don't have any complaints with the stoppage. It seemed to occur at a good time. Many users on the boxing forums are claiming the stoppage was premature, but I don't think so. Ruslan was not throwing back, I agree with the ref's decision. Fighter safety is the most important thing.

    Great win from Lucas, I'm a fan.
    + Great card, enjoyed all the fights.
     
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    Not that I have anything against Russians but it's nice to see another anglo get a win in a big heavy weight fight. Brown looks a bit roided up but that's not unusual, especially compared to the way Chagaev looks. Where's Rebajlo? Probably still pissed from the fight!
     
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    http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/14919307/luis-ortiz-victory-help-get-top-opposition

    Saturday at Grozny, Russia


    Lucas Browne TKO10 Ruslan Chagaev
    Wins a heavyweight title
    Records: Browne (24-0, 21 KOs); Chagaev (34-3-1, 21 KOs)

    Rafael's remarks: When Tyson Fury outpointed Wladimir Klitschko in a big upset in November he became the legitimate heavyweight champion. Period. However, the WBA has this nasty habit -- one it claims it is trying to break -- of having three titleholders in the same weight class with a "super," "regular" and interim titleholder. Chagaev has been the secondary so-called "regular" titleholder since 2014 and was making his second defense against mandatory challenger Browne.

    Browne, 36, showed enormous heart to rally for the biggest win of his career as he became the first Australian to win a heavyweight title. The fight was a bit messy, but Chagaev, a 37-year-old southpaw from Uzbekistan, dropped Browne hard with a straight left hand with 35 seconds left in the sixth round. Bleeding from his left eye and on wobbly legs, Chagaev blasted Browne with another left hand that sent him bouncing off the ropes moments later. Browne was in terrible shape as the round ended and was lucky to make to the bell. Browne got himself together and actually had a pretty good seventh round.

    In the 10th round, Browne, cut over his left eye and on his forehead, landed a flush right hand on Chagaev's chin, which sent him staggering backward and down with a minute to go. Chagaev walked into the punch that he never saw and was badly hurt. He beat the count but was in rough shape. Browne went right after him and teed off. He landed around 18 unanswered shots -- mostly right hands -- as Chagaev staggered along the ropes until referee Stanley Christodoulou finally stopped it at 2 minutes, 27 seconds. He was definitely a few punches too late on the stoppage.

    With the upset secured, Browne next is obligated to face Fres Oquendo by June in one of the bouts that is part of a WBA tournament designed to whittle its titleholders down to only one.

    "I'm so proud to have won this title for Australia," Browne said. "Obviously, I can improve but I showed that my heart and power can never be questioned. I'm thrilled to have made history. It was a big step up, but I got the win and I thank everyone for the support. Words can't describe how I feel right now."
     
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    I was shocked and not shocked at the same time. If you told me that the stocky Uzbek would show up a clear 20 to 25 pounds overweight, I would think that Browne would have a puncher's chance at least. But he showed similar skills that he showed when he out boxed James Toney.

    I actually had the fight close as I thought that Browne was out boxing Chagaev until the knockout. I wonder if Browne will have to fight in the proposed tournament or will he choose a big money opponent after the Oquendo fight(I can't see the ancient Oquendo winning the forced mandatory).
     
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    David Haye has said publicly his team is trying to get Browne as his opponent for a May showdown. Looks like Haye is trying to get into the WBA tournament as a replacement. Haye likely believes he can at the least out-box Browne in England, grab Browne's belt, which would eventually lead to a shot against either Fury or Wladimir. Hope Browne is just teasing -and I believe he is- because Browne only has an easy route here on in by simply defeating Fres Oquendo and then facing Fury or Wladimir. Negotiating is smart because he'll get an offer in writing which he can use as a benchmark, leverage, in negotiating the Fury or Wladimir fight. Let Haye go suck an egg.
     
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    Flint -

    Watching an Australian beat some sort of Tatar before a highly partisan crowd in that poxy shithole Grozny may have been an entertaining and very satisfactory experience but wasn't exactly a catalyst for heavy-duty wassail. ;)

    At the end of the day, such a "heavyweight championship of the world" is worth naff all. The real heavyweight champion is Tyson Fury. Fury won it by beating Wladimir Klitschko, who had effortlessly disposed of a "prime" Chagaev back in 2009. The stumpy, overweight Tatar (or whatever he is) had "won" the "vacant" WBA "title" by prevailing against that pugilistic megastar Fres Oquendo and consequently defended the ultra-prestigious belt (which must be made of ******* vinyl off-cuts or something...) via a first round knockout of equally out of shape punching bag Francesco Pianeta. The Italian, of course, had already been knocked out by Klitschko two years earlier. And people wonder why fight sports are often viewed as a joke due to the profusion of "parallel" organisations and belts... :rolleyes:

    Browne looks and moves like a lot of the blokes I used to see at "unlicensed" and "underground" boxing events for which I was paid to provide "security" during my famously misspent youth. He's a big, solid, tattoo-covered ex-bouncer with - let's be generously honest - very "modest" skills whose professional record largely consists of punching out a few lumbering coconut heads at various leagues clubs and RSLs around Australia, plus victories over comical no-hopers like Clarence Tillman III and Chauncy "Blubber Boy" Welliver (see photo below).

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    Nevertheless, Browne displayed plenty of determination and a highly admirable attitude, coming away with a deserved win. :D

    On a side note, this fight threw a spotlight on the shamelessly dishonest nature of Chechens (and Muslims in general). When Chagaev floored Browne with 38 seconds remaining in round six the local timekeeper deliberately failed to end the round on time and extended it by 15 seconds, giving the Tatar an opportunity to continue pounding the then-wavering Australian. When the round finally concluded, that ugly Muslim prick Chagaev landed four punches after the belated bell. To top things off, when Chagaev hadn't knocked Browne out in the next round and the fight was once again more or less even, the bell "mysteriously" rang 44 seconds (!!!) early.

    Given such blatant cheating, Browne's victory was even more impressive - and satisfying. The look of disbelief and frustrated despondency on the ridiculously inbred face of glaringly corrupt Putin lapdog Ramzan Kadyrov was pure gold...
     
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    Like your post Rebajlo. Yes, it was an impossible fight to win without a knockout and he did it. Lot of guys don't want to put the work into earning a title shot like he has.
     
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    http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/rep...-champion-lucas-browne-fails-drug-test-329772
    There seems to be some skullduggery going with the results of this fight. It looks like Browne failed a post fight PED test. But he tested positive for a drug that hasn't been used by athletes for years. Browne also insisted on a non Russian testing authority, so you would think if he was dirty it would be something that would in theory be able to slip by the latest tests. Recently a bunch of foreign fighters have failed PED tests after fighting in Russia and quite a few have beaten local fighters. Here is the drama that could cost Browne potential millions in fights with Oquendo and maybe Haye or Fury/Klitschko/Ortiz.
     
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    Been following the story. Browne tested positive by VADA for a weight cutting drug. Heavies don't cut weight, and he said so himself. Denies culpability. May have to pay out of pocket for second test of sample taken in Chechnya. He's getting support from WBA who have said no immediate decision to strip his belt will be made. The whole thing is likely blown out of proportion.
     
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    I've been following the story as well.

    It's worth noting that Browne weighed in at a career low and is accused of using a fat-burning drug. So the accusation seems possible.

    VADA is based in the USA and is supposed to be a neutral and reputable organisation (whether thats true or not is debatable).

    A B sample of urine is sealed immediately after the sample is taken. The seal cannot be replaced and once opened is broken so it is apparently a tamper proof seal. The B sample needs to be tested.

    If that comes back positive the WBA has said they will strip Browne. I agree with that decision.

    The situation is similar to when Turkish Erkan Teper brutally KO'd British David Price a few months ago. The Turk tested positive for steroids and was stripped of his European title. Although the result still stands Teper KO 2 Price. Kalle Sauerland, Price's promoter subsequently requested that Teper be banned from boxing for life. The result stands but Teper was stripled of his EBU title and is temporarily suspended from fighting in Germany. His KO of Price was brutal, the type of KO that could end Price's career and that is why Sauerland was so upset.

    I think we'll see a similar outcome. If I had to bet Id say the allegations against Browne are likely true. VADA was involved at his request, not Chagaev's.

    Also, people who insist that Russia has a bad rep with drug testing point to Guillermo Jones (who beat Lebedev) and Duradola (who beat Kudryashov). In the case of Jones he is a repeated PED user and the Russians were clearly correct in flagging him.

    The truth is this is probably the first time Browne has ever been tested. Not every small fight is tested only when you get to larger fights. VADA is American and should be impartial.

    The bad part about this is Americans now point to examples like this and cite it as a justification for Americans not fighting in Russia.

    As far as Im concerned the results are legit and if shown legit on a B sample I think the WBA has to strip Browne. Unfortunately this is boxing where guys get knocked out and guys can get hurt. In the case of Teper KOing Price or Jones Koing Lebedev those were both brutal fights and the winner tested positive. This is not ok and the drug cheaters need to be held accountable.

    Im not saying the result should be changed, but Browne should be stripped. If he's not it opens the door for anyone to cheat and we might as well not test at all then. There probably are othrr guys using PEDs and not getting caught but thats anothet conversation altogether.
     
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