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  1. ToughJ.Riggins

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    DWFs are an ignorant self loathing bunch. I found a nauseating thread called "Hey Brady Remember Me" from Fantasy Sharks last year with several posters saying that Welker "sucks without Moss" and "makes a good kicker". Obviously Welker's average year for a team leading receiver last year was due to a devastating knee injury, but DWFs quickly turned against him anyway, before falling in love with him again this year.

    The Jordy situation is perplexing, but only if you don't understand the NFL. He is tied for 43rd in targets amongst WRs, but is 4th in fantasy points. He is top 5 in catch rate on a list of 75 WRs with 60 targets or more and did this while being a primary deep threat and averaging a whooping 18.6 YPC. Still, he is only on the field for about 50% of the snaps, maybe less- when I've watched this season
     
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  2. whiteathlete33

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    It will be interesting to see if Nelson finally becomes a full time starter next season. Will the Packers continue to start Driver?
     
  3. Meireles

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    I agree completely...in that Jennings was chosen over Nelson. That is ludicrous, especially considering Jennings was injured and unproductive the final two games, in which the Pack "needed" him. Though Nelson made up the slack and THEN some.

    It's disgusting to see. Simply because he's listed as No. 1 on the Depth Chart, Jennings gets all the credit, all the votes. It's even currently a "fight" for the No. 2 WR spot, despite Old Man Driver not attributing at all to the Pack down the stretch.

    Nelson finished (a full 16 game season, unlike Jennings, Driver, or Jones) with 68 receptions, 1,263 yds. an AVG of 18.6 ypc, and 15 TDs to boot. Those are Pro Bowl Numbers. Game. Set. Match.

    Oh...wait...he's white. Nevermind.

    Jennings finishes with (a 13 game season, nursing a feigned injury) 67 receptions (less than Nelson) 949 yds. (MUCH less than Nelson), an AVG of 14.2 ypc (again, MUCH less than Nelson) and ONLY 9 TDs.

    This is of course factoring in the most venerable Matt Flynn and his three TDs tossing the rock to Nelson. Had Rodgers been doing so, Nelson would arguably have had 6 TDs in week 17, instead of his usual 3.

    I won't even bother with Old Man Driver, for his stats are laughable. If he starts next season............hell..........if he starts THIS post season over Nelson....I'll seriously consider giving up on my once beloved Packers team.

    And...not to beat a dead horse. Kuhn only made it as a Fullback. When he can be slotted in as a RB, FB, TE, or WR. He's no doubt better (or equal to) Grant; much better than Saine, and can go toe to toe with Finley, and the unheralded losers at WR such as James Jones, lolol.

    Case in point; put Kuhn in a white friendly RB situation (similar to Hillis, but dissimilar). He'd shine. If the Browns weren't so gung-ho on Chris Abaosidujasdhoaihdmalio and their ****** taste of the week, Hillis would have had a stand out year. Maybe a team like the Dolphins (Reggie Bush is trash) or Pats (Kuhn + Woody Woodhead) or even the Colts (Brown is a clown)...

    Basically...given the chance, Kuhn IS, and WILL BE, a starting RB. His forced days at FB will soon be done.
     
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  4. SchaafC

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    Dude stick to posting about what you know. You sound like an idiot!
    And would you quit with the horrid punctuation and unnecessary capitalization; if you have a point you want to stand out use the bold or the underline. All of your posts are insufferable illogical nonsense. Your "points" are nothing more than fallacious drivel!
     
  5. Meireles

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    Forgive my lack of bolding and underlininging. Is that all you were able to point out? My punctuation, my capitalization, was done so when required. When mentioning a "player", a "person", a "proper noun". I'm sorry I sound like an "idiot", but to an idiot, what else would I sound like?

    My posts are nothing more than factual evidence, truth that has been proven again and again. If you wish to engage in ad hominem, then I (as well as others) can kindly redirect you to any number of ****** loving, black **** sucking websites.

    I apologize for my harshness, but after being called an "insufferable idiot", when it is only you who is as such, I can only reply as such. Maybe you should stop watching the Blacksonville Jaguars before you comment on a team such as the Green Bay Packers.

    Inept tomfool. Softheaded lamb. Doubt me if you will, but you're only doubting your idiotic self.

    I won't back down, I won't "run away", as you seem to wish the "newcomers" to do. It's my way. I'll "argue" (though my arguments against your idiocy is hardly fair) my statements and sentiments. Do not grace your stupidity in my presence again. Maud.

    "Stick to what you know" Stick to your ******s and race traitors before defying one as knowledgeable (in defense) as yours truly.

    Your "horrid" idiocy and unnecessary retardation should be stopped at once. Lest this entire website be brought down by your demurral most high.
     
  6. SchaafC

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    Vous clairement ne comprenez pas le jeu du football américain. Et j'essayais de vous faire savoir qu'il était péniblement évident, et vous avez trouvé par hasard comme un idiot. Pour répondre en espèces serait sous moi; vous peu homosexuel Français. Et ce que vous ne réalisez pas est que la plupart des personnes dessus ici vous verront pour ce qu'êtes vous. Appréciez ainsi votre temps à court terme tandis qu'il dure.
     
  7. Meireles

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    >implying I speak frog
    >implying your continued ad hominem attacks do anything but undo your already retched reputation
    >implying you didn't spend 30 minutes translating on babelfish
    >implying "most people" won't see through your angst ridden post and podex attacks
    >implying you ever once, in your lengthy, loafing post rebuked my posts
    >implying implications
    >implying disregarding factual evidence for callous attacks assists in your feeble attempt to rebuke my most valid points assists or aids you at all
    >implying you know anything about the Green Bay Packers aside from what you hear on Sportscenter and ESPN, the blackest of black networks
    >implying I'm not heartened to respond to such idiocy displayed by one such as yourself

    :high5:
     
  8. whiteathlete33

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    Another good thread hijacked.:icon_mad:
     
  9. Westside

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    WA 33, I don't know about hijacked, but simply derailed. Funny tho, kinda.!!!!
     
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    Haha, yeah, this is the one of the oddest quarrels I’ve seen in a while. What evidence made SchaafC presume that this new poster is French, let alone a “homosexuel Français?” Haha.
     
  11. backrow

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    Thrashen, c'mon man, no more Suggs please!!!

    or else... i shall call you a homosexuel Francais de Merde!

    PS go Jordy :pray2:
     
  12. Meireles

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    It's alright. Let this be my practicion of Dāna and Mettā pāramī. <3

    Jordy Nelson did not play a snap on the first drive until the very last play, which was a dropped catch by a negro and the Packers had to settle for a FG.

    They blackened their defense too, and refuse to use their best RB and WR because of their skin color.

    Packers fans at least have former Packer Brett Swain to root for, as he plays for the 49ers. :dodgy: Shame Vernon Davis and Baby Crabtree will take all his due looks. :dodgy:
     
  13. bearclaw500

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    Don you sure called this. Every time I see someone sign as free agent, I think how much Nelson under cut himself. Morgan signs with the Redskins for $12 million over 2 years, and he is not even close to Jordy's numbers. He could have easily got another 2-3 million a year, had he waited.
     
  14. Don Wassall

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    I'm not sure what to make of this Weenieworld blurb. Hopefully the idea is to get Nelson on the field every play, as he most assuredly deserves, rather than just 60 percent of the time like it was last year. But in the Caste NFL it could mean gradually turning him into a possession receiver.

    Coach Mike McCarthy plans to expand Jordy Nelson's route tree, including more snaps in the slot. McCarthy plans to make Nelson "more of the focus" by taking advantage of matchups. "It's more about having the opportunity," said McCarthy, "because statistics speak for themselves." Nelson isn't going to repeat last year's ridiculous deep-ball efficiency or touchdown total, but the expanded offensive role should help offset the decline in those areas.
     
  15. celticdb15

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    I look at it as a positive sign. Both Donald Driver and Greg Jennings operated a lot out of the slot when they were GB's go to guys.
     
  16. dwid

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    I try to stay optimistic a but it doesn't sound good. Pretty much every big play he had last year came from lining up on the outside. They used him more in the slot the previous years and his ypc was never close to 18. I don't know why he wouldn't be able to repeat last year's stats, or come close to them. He has track speed, he ran the 100 meter as fast as guys like Devin Hester, except Jordy has become much more of a polished route runner than Hester, who never really caught on to the position.

    Last year they would just send him deep and guys couldn't keep up. He can be physical and get yac, but deep speed his his main game. He still isn't the best route runner, but he is much better than when he first came into the league. He is getting by more on pure athleticism than "crafty route running". Lets just hope he doesn't wind up like Austin Collie with a bunch of concussions. He is a little quicker.

    but yeah he is more effective close to the sideline, that skinny post route is where he did a bunch of damage. If he does line in the slot hopefully they mix it up like the Saints do with their receivers and its not an every down type of thing. Jennings is better suited for the slot.
     
  17. Don Wassall

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    Very good article on Jordy, but it still doesn't go far enough by acknowledging that Nelson was essentially a part-time player last season despite being the dominant receiver in the NFL, playing only about 60% of Green Bay's offensive snaps. Although I didn't read through all of them, the comments by the DWFs after the article almost all object to Nelson being called elite, preferring to credit Aaron Rodgers, or that top cornerbacks ("top cornerbacks" is practically an oxymoron in a league with so few of them) weren't covering Jordy, blah, blah, excuse, excuse. In their carefully programmed brains, a White man simply can't be the best wide receiver. It does contain a poll on whether Nelson or Jennings is the team's best receiver, with the votes so far at about 60-40 in favor of Jennings, so the commenters don't represent a fair chunk of fans who realize how good Jordy is.


    Jordy Nelson's Dominance is the NFL's Best Kept Secret

    by Chris Peterson

    Green Bay Packers wide receiver Jordy Nelson had an incredible season in 2011, breaking out to post highly impressive numbers that included 68 receptions for 1,263 yards and 15 touchdowns.
    Yet, despite his statistical superiority, few realize just how great he is, making Nelson the best-kept secret in the National Football League.

    While most fans and prognosticators would not classify Nelson as an elite receiver, one look at his advanced statistics shows, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that he was the most efficient receiver—by far—in the NFL last season.

    Nelson's aforementioned 2011 numbers qualify as a great season by any standard of measurement. Yet, digging just a little deeper reveals that, on a per-target basis, Nelson was not only elite—he was in a class by himself.

    The amazing thing about Nelson's 2011 season is that he posted eye-popping numbers on just 96 targets (40th in the NFL). So, in order to rack up the 1,263 receiving yards he did, he averaged 13.2 yards per target, which led the league by a comfortable margin.

    To put that into context, consider that Calvin Johnson, the consensus choice as the best receiver in football, averaged 10.6 yards per target. The only players who even came close to approaching Nelson were Chargers receiver Malcom Floyd, who averaged 12.2 yards per target, and the Giants' Victor Cruz, who averaged 11.7 yards.

    Despite being targeted only 96 times, Nelson still managed to finish seventh in receiving yards and was the only receiver to eclipse 1,000 yards with fewer than 100 targets; every other receiver who finished in the top 10 for receiving yards had at least 114.


    Nelson's yards per target numbers are extremely impressive, but his touchdown per target numbers are equally, if not more, impressive.

    Once again, let us compare Nelson to Johnson.

    Johnson, who was targeted 158 times last season, led all receivers with 16 touchdown receptions, meaning he caught a touchdown once every 9.8 targets. Nelson, on the other hand, had 15 touchdowns in 62 fewer targets, which equated to a touchdown every 6.4 targets.

    Outside of Johnson, only one other player even came close to Nelson in touchdowns per target, as Laurent Robinson caught 11 touchdowns on just 80 targets for the Cowboys, which works out to be a touchdown every 7.2 targets.

    With that in mind, the fact that Nelson was left off the 2011 NFC Pro Bowl roster is unthinkable. And even though some may suggest it, his production last year was no fluke.

    In 2010, Nelson caught 70.4 percent of the passes thrown his way for an average of 9.3 yards per target; not great, but it would have placed him in the top 15 this year.

    Also, in 2009, Nelson caught 71 percent of his targets and had an average of 10.3 yards per target. The only difference between 2011 and the previous two seasons was the amount of targets he received, getting 65 in 2010 and just 31 in 2009.

    For his career, Nelson has averaged 10.3 yards per target and a touchdown every 11.6 attempts. So, he should continue along this path as long as the Packers keep feeding him the ball.

    Nelson was the most efficient receiver in the NFL last season and the most underrated. Someday soon, though, as the yards and touchdowns keep piling up, his status as an elite receiver will no longer be questioned.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1216226-jordy-nelsons-dominance-is-the-nfls-best-kept-secret
     
  18. wile

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    The DWFs have a point, there is a pretty good cast around him. I personally think he is about close to his role, with maybe the exception that he line up on the outside more.

    One point with the DWFs and other anti-whites that vex us, they no longer can legitmately claim any sense of moral superiority. I think we too often leave that out of our arguments, the anti-whites are completely spent on that account, morally we are correct.
     
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    The latest depth chart I have seen has Jordy Nelson starting alongside Greg Jennings. Driver is next on the depth chart behind Jordy. I have read reports that supa afflete Randall Cobb has been very impressive in camp.
     
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    Went to the Packer family night and Jordy was a prime target for Aaron Rodgers. It looks like James Jones time in GB is just about done, both Cobb and Driver have surpassed him!
     
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    I was disappointed when the Packers re-signed Jones so it would be nice to see him traded or released. Hopefully Cobb replaces Driver soon as the slot/possession guy, leaving Jordy and Jennings outside. Finley's a pretty good TE, though highly over-rated based on a few good games at the end of '09 and into the playoffs that season. If allowed to play full-time this season, the sky's the limit for what Jordy can do.
     
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    Jordy Nelson 'dominating' Packers camp, report says


    Aaron Rodgers was chosen by his peers as the finest player in the land in NFL Network's "Top 100: Players of 2012." A recent report out of Green Bay suggests the quarterback might have some in-house competition.

    Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel tweeted Wednesday that Packers wideout Jordy Nelson has been the "best" in camp. Offensive coordinator Tom Clements told McGinn "He's a great player."

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...s-camp-report-says?module=HP11_content_stream
     
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    Hey he did help out Rodgers tremendously last year. I went back and watched all of their games, a good deal of Nelson's catches were on broken down passing plays where Rodgers had to use his feet to extend the play, it seemed like Nelson was the only one with awareness and agility to out maneuver the db to come back to the qb.

    Great news, he has the ability to be what Megatron is supposed to be.
     
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    It never fails to amaze me how often black receivers won't do a simple thing like come back toward the QB when a passing play breaks down. They're either incapable of learning that basic fundamental, or are too lazy to bother, or are too irritated that the play broke down thus depriving them of their chance to make a highlight reel catch. And when they do come back to the QB or otherwise break their route and try to get open, the announcers always give them hearty praise for doing what they were supposed to do.
     
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    Packers: WR Jordy Nelson's individual success shapes team's success


    By James Carlton | CBSSports.com


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    [TD="width: 630"]Packers wide receiver Jordy Nelson had a big night against the Houston Texans on Sunday. His success catching passes has been directly proportional to Green Bay's success in the win-loss column. (US Presswire)

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    In Sunday night's 42-24 victory over the Texans, WR Jordy Nelson had his best game of the season in the Packers' biggest win of the season.


    Facing a top-shelf cornerback in Houston's Johnathan Joseph, and against the one-on-one man coverage he so often exploited last year but has rarely seen in 2012, Nelson put on a receiving clinic. He caught nine passes for 121 yards and tied a career high with three touchdowns, each a work of art that displayed the crisp route-running, deceptive speed and sure hands that defined Nelson's breakout 2011 season.


    His first score came on a beautiful, 41-yard over-the-shoulder connection on the Packers' opening drive. That was the first time they've scored on their first possession this season, and it temporarily silenced the raucous Reliant Stadium crowd. The play came immediately after Houston was called for offsides on fourth down, giving Green Bay a first down and another shot at scoring.


    "That was big to get back onto the field and get that touchdown to start us off," Nelson said. "We wanted to start fast. It was big and it got us going."


    Indeed, Nelson got the ball early and often, especially in the end zone. His second touchdown also came one play after a Texans penalty, this time for defensive pass interference. The Packers capitalized and Nelson scored on a 21-yard reception across the middle, capping a three-catch drive in the second quarter. His third touchdown, in the third quarter, came six plays after he'd dropped a short slant pass. But he was ready the next time the ball came his way, scoring on a 1-yard diving catch in the back right corner of the end zone.


    “Jordy's a great player," said QB Aaron Rodgers, who passed for 338 yards and a career-high six touchdowns. “He's a phenomenal, phenomenal athlete. He gives you a lot of confidence as a quarterback. When you put the ball in his area, he's going to come up with it. He made some big catches for us. The touchdown really got us going early in the game. It was just him running by the corner and making a good play on the ball, and he's strong enough to get in the end zone.â€￾


    Nelson's 121-yard day was his first 100-yard receiving game this season, but it was the third time he'd gone over 75 yards. The Packers have won all three of those games. In fact, in Nelson's five-year career in Green Bay, the Packers are 16-0 when Nelson has at least 75 receiving yards in a game. Many of those wins came last year, when the dominant Packers went 15-1. Nonetheless, Nelson's involvement in the offense still seems to have a largely causal relationship with Green Bay's success.


    In 2012, the Packers are 3-0 when Nelson has at least 75 yards and 0-3 when he has fewer than 75. In Green Bay's three losses, to San Francisco, Seattle and Indianapolis, Nelson totaled nine receptions for 112 yards and zero touchdowns. In the three wins, over Chicago, New Orleans and Houston, he had 23 receptions for 298 yards and four touchdowns.


    Oftentimes, Nelson's individual success dovetails with Green Bay's offensive success because, over the last two seasons, he's become the big-play receiver in an offense that lives on the big play. If Nelson is getting open and getting the ball downfield, it usually means Rodgers is getting good protection and has ample time to find Nelson. It also means the opponent is playing a favorable coverage scheme.

    Several teams this season have played the Packers with a two-deep safety shell, taking the deep pass away and forcing them to run or throw underneath. That doesn't play to the strengths of the lanky and long-strided Nelson (6-foot-3, 217 pounds), who excels at running long routes that use crafty double moves and going up to get the ball over smaller defenders.


    Against the Seahawks in Week 3, when Nelson was matched up against big, physical cornerbacks Richard Sherman (6-3, 195) and Brandon Browner (6-4, 221), who had safety help over the top, he was targeted just three times, catching two passes for 19 yards.


    “I'm fine,â€￾ Nelson said about having a down start to the season, one year after putting up 1,263 yards and 15 touchdowns. With Sunday's output, he quadrupled his season touchdown total coming into the game.


    “Obviously you'll take [a big game],â€￾ he said. “You want to do what you're supposed to do to help the team win. And when your number gets called, you have to make the play. In our room all we do is preach to make the most of your opportunities, and I think we did that tonight.â€￾


    The Texans, with a ferocious pass rush led by Defensive Player of the Year candidate J.J. Watt and a highly regarded pass defense (ranked fourth in the NFL through the first five weeks), elected not to sit back. They were aggressive and attacked the Packers. According to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, the Texans rushed five or more defenders on half of all dropbacks, the most the Packers have seen since the 2011 season opener.


    "[Houston] put those corners in one-on-one spots with not a lot of safety help," Rodgers said. "So we wanted to take some shots early, and as we got into the flow of the game we were able to dictate some of the stuff we wanted to do on offense."
    Rodgers took advantage, finding Nelson on five passes of at least 10 yards. Rodgers also threw touchdowns of 48 yards and 18 yards to TE Tom Crabtree and WR James Jones, respectively, and hit WR Randall Cobb for a 24-yard completion.
    For Rodgers and Nelson, it was far and away the best offensive performance of the season. They were in sync and on song. It could be a one-week outburst by a tandem fed up with media and fan criticism; or it could be a return to last year's dynamic form.


    “It's all about doing your job,â€￾ Nelson said. “As an offense, we hadn't been doing that this year, and we did it for most of (Sunday's) game. We can be explosive. We just haven't been able to put it together. And we were able to do it in a big game.â€￾
     

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