Jordan Shipley, WR

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  1. backrow

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    Jordan Shipley and Andre Caldwell are locked in behind Chad Ochocinco and Antonio Bryant on the Bengals' depth chart, according to ESPN's James Walker.

    Bengals.com named Shipley "Best Newcomer" in the team's most recent minicamp, and he already appears to be in sync with Carson Palmer in the slot. Jerome Simpson and Matt Jones have also impressed in underwear practices, but Caldwell will be Shipley's primary competition this summer.
    Source: ESPN.com
    Related: Matt Jones, Andre Caldwell, Jerome Simpson
     
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    Bryant hasn't practiced of late because of his recurring knee problems. If he remains injured, or implodes as he has in the past, the Bengals could end up with Shipley and Matt Jones as their two top receivers after Chad Johnson. Not likely of course but possible if the team is interested in winning the division again. With an all-black defense it shouldn't be that difficult for Marvin Lewis to use the talents of Shipley, Jones, Brian Leonard and Chase Coffman on offense, but past history indicates that if two of them are heavily used it will be an upset. Coffman, a top receiving tight end at Missouri,in particular may be tossed to the wolves in only his second season after not playing last year due to allegedly not blocking well enough and then incurring a season ending injury.
     
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    Of course the announcement of these four locks has most of the DWFs saying that Matt Jones will be cut. Nearly all of them are pulling for Dezmon Briscoe as if he isn't the most replaceable WR on the roster. Also the Jerome Simpson bandwagon is rolling again. The DWFs rave about his "upside," big hands, and leaping ability even though he probably cannot count his fingers. The general consensus is that the Bengals will only keep six WRs so the message board arguments are over these last two spots.

    At least they think Shipley will make it and contribute although if it wasn't for the Welker comparisons I imagine Shipley and Jones would be the most popular WRs to cut.
     
  4. Don Wassall

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    Here's an article purportedly praising Shipley that hasno shortage ofanti-White stereotypes:


    <H1>Bengals' Jordan Shipley catching on</H1>
    <H2>Rookie isn't the biggest but he'll catch anything and everything</H2>


    By Paul Daugherty "¢ pdaugherty@enquirer.com "¢ August 17, 2010



    If you stand less than 6 feet tall and you are not Usain Bolt â€" if you are a white guy trying to make money playing wide receiver in the NFL â€" you better be extraordinary at something, if you intend to do anything in the game but watch it.
    Jordan Shipley catches the ball. Oh, he runs tight routes. He'll get his nose bloody across the middle. But what he does best is catch what is thrown to him.

    I asked him how many passes he dropped during his four years at the University of Texas. Five. Five drops, 248 catches. How many drops overall? Games, practice, Nerf balls in the meeting rooms?

    "Ten,'' Shipley said. "Maybe 15.''

    In describing Shipley before the draft, a Tennessee Titans scout said, "The team that drafts him is going to want to cut him every day. But he'll catch every pass thrown to him in the next 10 years.''

    This seems like a small thing. Receivers have to catch the ball. Astounding. But if you ask any quarterback in the league to rank his priorities when it comes to his wide receivers, speed won't be anywhere on the list. Size will be on it, but not near the top. An ability to get open will be on the list. So will route-running. None of it means anything if the guy doesn't catch the ball.

    Carson Palmer prefers highly experienced receivers. His lobbying for Laveranues Coles last year, and Terrell Owens this year, makes that plain. What Number Nine needs most in the autumn of 2010 isn't experience, so much as receivers who are where they're supposed to be, when they're supposed to be there. Chad Eight-Five is a superb route-runner, a ballet dancer along the deep sideline. He was alone in that skill here last season.

    Terrell Owens will be a big target on intermediate routes down the middle, but he's also seen as a deep threat. Antonio Bryant could be that dependable, physical presence down the middle, if he ever gets on the field. Jermaine Gresham could be, too, as his understanding of the game builds. But Shipley is already there. He is the one guy right now that Palmer can look at and know if the ball is there, Shipley will catch it.

    Palmer couldn't say that last year about anyone but Eight-Five.

    "For what I do, my size is not'' important, Shipley said. "A lot of guys in the league are 5-11 ½ and 185 pounds. You've got to have something that sets you apart. For me, it's catching every single ball.''

    You'd think he'd have big hands. Johnny Bench seven-baseballs-in-one-palm oven mitts. Not at all. They're about what you'd expect from a 5-11 1/2-- don't forget the one-half â€" guy. Which makes his success more noteworthy.

    Shipley is not Wes Welker. He's bigger, with more downfield speed. Not every small-ish white guy who plays wide receiver is Wes Welker. There are similarities, though. Neither was a Combine Guy. Neither wowed scouts with his 40-yard dash time or his vertical leap. Neither aced the standing broad jump portion of the program.

    He's just a football player. Shipley could be the latest example of the Krumrie Postulate, named for former Bengal All Pro and 10th-round draft pick Tim Krumrie. The Krumrie Postulate states simply, "Take this shuttle run and shove it.''

    "That stuff is overrated. The broad jump? Not very important,'' Shipley said. "Sometimes, they overlook simple things, like being able to make the tough catch.''

    Shipley didn't know his 40 time until he was clocked at the Combine.

    "You have to have a level of skill to be competitive at this level, but hard work is huge, especially where I'm at trying to make it, in the slot. Faith and confidence is the biggest thing, then ability,'' Shipley said.

    He doesn't talk much which, given the current diva receiva quotient around here, is refreshing. Shipley owns three guitars, including a Fender Stratocaster and an Epiphone. He learned to play during the two years he missed at UT, with knee and hamstring injuries.

    He plays acoustic country, mostly. "Instead of watching TV,'' he said. "It winds me down.'' He likes old-guy rock and roll (Bad Company is a favorite) and, lately, Ryan Bingham, a formerly down-and-out country balladeer whose songs graced the recent Jeff Bridges movie, Crazy Heart.

    Shipley writes songs, too. His latest is a ballad called Enjoy The Ride.

    Fitting, he hopes

    http://news.cincinnati.com/article/AB/20100817/COL03/308170038/Doc-Shipley-catching-on
     
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    Sounds like he ran a 5.5 and broad-jumped backwards.
     
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    Crazy stuff. All white receivers can catch the ball. Anyway all receivers SHOULD be great catchers. What's the point of being an NFL receiver if you are not the type of guy that can catch everything thrown your way?

    I can never understand why a team would want a fast guy that can't catch. What good is he? It's one of the most stupid and bizzarre things about the caste system--receivers that can't catch.
     
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    I have seen this since the late 1960's-pass receivers without good hands. There was a saying that started around then: "He has 9.5 speed and 12 flat hands."
     
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    Yup, back in the day we used to have a guy on the Lions, Earl McCullouch. Real fast black guy, couldn't catch a cold, and that's what we used to say about him. The idea of a team full of stone-hands like him was ridiculous. We've come a long way baby.
     
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    I recommend the author of that article see these videos, to get a
    better understanding of Shipley's athleticism. Maybe after seeing these
    videos and actually watching his style of play he can write a better
    article next time around. I've noticed a lot of sports writers often
    write about things they have done very little research on, but state
    them as facts.





    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpgy4VY2j50&amp;feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBahqaUWk-s

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEB0WKIHulI&amp;p=4DDA069BD7010B0D&amp;playnext=1&amp;index=57





    Edited by: celticdb15
     
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    Comments can be made after the article. It would be good for someone to get these links on there, for the DWFs at least. Maybe the anti-White writer of the piece will learn something as well.
     
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    Jordan Shipley Proving to Be Bengals' Second-Best WR Option



    Jordan Shipley was the seventh receiver taken in last April's draft. He was the 84th overall pick.

    After 11 catches in three preseason games, he made it easy for Cincinnati to cut Antonio Bryant, to whom they paid $8 million up front despite bad knees and a historically bad attitude, leaving open the question about why the Bengals signed Bryant, a malcontent with an injury history, in the first place.

    Bryant, a high school star in Florida, was allowed to escape the state to Pitt because of a questionable attitude (and that's being kind). He was a first-rounder on talent, a fourth-rounder on attitude and floated from the Cowboys to the Browns to the 49ers and then to the Bucs, all of them intrigued by obvious talent, but turned off by his inability to listen to coaches or anyone else. Two seasons ago, he caught 83 passes for 1,248 yards for Tampa Bay and behaved well. But last season a knee injury and a series of bad/inexperienced QBs limited him to nine catches.

    So, of course, when it became clear that Laveranues Coles, another big-money guy Cincy signed last year, couldn't play, the Bengals signed Bryant. When it turned out Bryant couldn't get on the field because of bad knees, they took on Terrell Owens, providing more potential discord to this receiving corps even if you consider Chad Ochocinco more fun than he is trouble.

    In fact, the Bengals probably needed neither Bryant nor Owens. They could have had Patrick Crayton from Dallas for a fourth-round pick, giving them as much production as they'll likely get from Owens, a drop-prone 36-year-old with "name value'' (he'll get on ESPN there), but someone who is likely to sulk when Carson Palmer throws more often to Chad.

    Shipley also is likely to catch more balls than T.O.

    One scout compares Shipley to Steve Largent, a Hall of Famer who was the NFL's leading career receiver when he retired from the Seahawks more than two decades ago. It's not as if Shipley is an unknown â€" he starred at Texas, one of the nation's most prominent college programs.

    "He has an unbelievable ability to get open and catch passes,'' says Gil Brandt, the longtime personnel director for the Cowboys. "A guy who just has a knack for playing football. He just makes plays.''

    There are other guys like that, often undervalued by scouts, who just get open and catch everything that's thrown to them.

    Wes Welker was an undrafted free agent cut by San Diego who went on to the Miami Dolphins and then the New England Patriots, for whom he has caught 346 passes in three seasons. Steve Smith (the other one) had 107 receptions for the Giants last season. It's premature to project those numbers for a rookie, but the potential is there.

    full article: http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/08/30/jordan-shipley-proving-to-be-bengals-second-best-wr-option/
     
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    That article is truly hilarious. They simply can't explain a white player's success and will bend over backwards before saying that he is "fast" or "athletic".

    Despite the fact that the author points out that Shipley starred at Texas, the general tone of the whole article is shocked by the idea that a white man, even if he "starred at Texas", could possibly outperform a demi-God such as Terrell Owens.

    An uninformed DWF probably reads this article and comes away thinking that Shipley is a sorcerer or a wizard of some kind. They just can't accept that he is faster, quicker, and more athletic. [​IMG]

    These quotes come from the mouths of actual NFL scouts too. The author I think is clever in pointing out that Owens is just a player with "name value" who drops passes and there are dozens of other (white) receivers who are under-valued and make plays which is accurate.Edited by: TorontoArgos
     
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    A nice Pollyanna article Don: The writer actually mentioned "undervalued" Steve Smith of the Giants as a comparison to Shipley along with Welker? Steve Smith was drafted in the 2nd round if I recall and is faster than Welker and Shipley, but not quite as good a route runner or as good after the catch. Welker was cut by his first team and almost by the Dolphins as well (his first year there) before going on to catch 112 balls or more 3 years in a row. Not even Jerry Rice ever did that. If Steve Largent came into the NFL in the 90s, I doubt he ever would have gotten a chance as he wasn't a "burner". Formerly "only black" WRs were allowed to run 4.6 40s and make rosters in the National Farce League.
     
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    Wow, what a concept, a WR who can actually get open and catch the ball. Wish more WR in the NFL could actually do both these days. But we can't actually get some cake and eat too in today's NFL, can we? I guess we get to settle for "speedburners" with tons of "upside" who cannot catch anything or run a route to save their souls. Watched the ultimate whiner, T.O. a little bit this pre-season, and he was droppin' em' left and right. Same with a Seachickin' game. Two underachieving, but melanin blessed WR's dropped 2 balls on the only series I watched. Pathetic.
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    Shipley is very good. I think Decker will turn out to be the better player though when all is said and done. He needs to stay injury free.
     
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    Shipley is like Steve Largent? I wonder why the writer chose that comparison?

    I'd compare Shipley to a more athletic, more sure-handed version of Santonio Holmes. A blasphemous evaluation.
     
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    Ahh yes, another cheap shot by a racist negro. Something else I notice from watching the video is that Palmer was the one who got up in the faces of the Browns player. Several negroes came to push Palmer away.

    Here is a gem of a comment from a DWF below the article.

    That hit was entirely legal. he hit him with his shoulder. This is FOOTBALL not ballroom dancing.

    Edited by: whiteathlete33
     
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    I don't think he'll actually do it again if the fines keep coming- it really depends on how lucrative his contract is. I wonder if they should increase the fines for head hunting hits- or base it on a scale of the players contracts. I don't recall if this hit was with the shoulder, but regardless I remember he went high at Shipley's head.
     
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    It'd be nice to see this clown Ward get the Fred "The Hammer" Williamson Treatment in the not-too-distant future.
     
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    Are you talking about the guy Steve Largent got back at after he took a crushing hit from him? I recall hearing that Largent hit whoever the guy was like a freight train on a block to get back at him later in the same season.

    Anyway, I think Ward is just mouthing off to sound tough/ trash talking and doesn't want to admit wrongdoing.

    BTW- If I recall correctly, which ever black player had a huge crushing hit on Welker (drew a penalty?) two seasons ago admitted he thought it might have been a bit excessive even though there was debate about whether it was legal or not, but said he was trying to scare Welker off his game. Welker didn't seem to mind and said it was just part of the game.Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
     
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    Why is the NFL waiting so long to fine TJ Ward? Chuck Cecil's $40,000 fine for flipping off an official came out immediately. I guarantee Ward won't be fined anywhere near $40,000 for trying to decapitate Shipley.
     
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    I'm thinking it has something to do with black skin privilege. The bruthas always seem to get smaller fines and less severe punishments than white players. Anyone who doesn't believe so should read J.B Cash's article on the matter.
     
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    I was actually thinking of Fred Williamson, black Chiefs safety and obnoxious loudmouth back in the 60s. He spouted off repeatedly before Super Bowl I about how many Packers he was going to decapitate, that kind of thing. Then Donny Anderson ran right over him and knocked him out of the game.
     
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    Cassiodorus, I think that is the same Fred Williamson, who played the staring role in the movie "Shaft" it was one of the few respectable blacksploition movies he played in.
     

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