Joey Abell

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  1. Charles Martel

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    Was it an early stoppage? He was standing and fighting back with two seconds left in the round. He had been knocked down, but had recovered and was moving around okay.

    Abell had been dominating and easily outboxing his opponent up until the crowd began to chant for a KO midway in the 4th round. Then, Joey became carelessly aggressive, and got caught with a haymaker that stunned him, then a left hook that put him on the canvas. [​IMG]

    Here's the 4th round:

    Abell vs. Greeley


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    LOL. This guy sucks.
     
  3. white is right

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  4. Charles Martel

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    Yes, Andrew Greeley turns out to be a black guy - for some reason I thought he was white.

    You're right, it's not a good sign to be stopped by someone on that level. I was wrong about Joey Abell, he doesn't have a lot of potential - it was wishful thinking on my part, because I've been watching for a top white American heavyweight.
     
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    Brian Minto knocked out Chad Van Sickle in 1 round today.

    You want the best white american, he's it.
     
  6. nopictures

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    A bit of a disappointment, really. He needs to hit the gym and focus on his weaknesses (which on casual observation seems to be his defense) and come off this loss with renewed determination, unless he plans on an eventual record his sorry opponent has. I hope he grows from it, we'll see in his next fight if he can grow anymore than he has, or if he'll be stuck down in the lower rung for the rest of his career.
     
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    Tye Fields -- not Minto -- is the best white American heavyweight.
     
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    I just watched the clip and that was an excellent short right hand delivered with a lot of speed that would have caught a lot of good fighters out. I therefore don't think Abell "sucks".
    That being said I don't see him as World Champ material. He has good power and strength but needs to speed things up a bit to become truly world class (plus, as has been said, work on the defense!)

    Edited to add - I was amazed he managed to get back onto his feet after the knockdown.
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    It's bad Joey lost, but he is hardly thrown aside for this. I never thought of him as championship material, or as the best American (Fields and Minto take that honor). He is a slugger, very powerful. Remember, he's had no real amateur experience, he was a football player. This is his second KO loss to limited opposition. But he does have some good wins as well. I do think he needs to train harder. If he can get a good trainer, I still think his potential level is the same as it was before this loss.
     
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    Since Joeys first loss, he lost another by split decision and then was disqualified in another. Since then, he's won twice against journeymen, and as he fights alot might be able to climb back up. He's now ranked #65 on boxrec of all American heavyweights. So, a long way to go, but unlike many fighters he is quite active and maybe he's learned from his mistakes.Edited by: referendum
     
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    Joey wins again against another journeyman last night, and is now ranked 42 of US heavyweights at boxrec.
     
  12. Charles Martel

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    Joey Abell won his 4th consecutive fight tonight with a third round TKO of journeyman Billy Willis.

    Abell is now 24-4 with 23 KOs.
     
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    With last nights win, Joey moves to number 36 of American boxers on boxrec. He's been fighting alot, more than any other white american heavyweight, as far as I can tell, but needs to upgrade his competition if he wants to emerge.
     
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    Good for him but Abell is very chinny and has been KO'd 4 times.

    Keep an eye on Travis Kaufmann, who does have the talent, size and background to go very far at havyweight.
     
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    In a battle of hard-punching heavyweights with questionable chins, Joey Abell will be fighting Raphael Butler on Dec 4/09.

    Joey Abell

    Raphael Butler
     
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    Interesting fellow this Joey Abell. The 4 losses shouldn't hamper his overall standing one bit. He just needs to fight better competition to gain much needed experience. Here's hoping he wins!
     
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    I'm looking forward to Joey's fight tomorrow.

    Butler like Abell hasn't translated his amateur success to the pro ranks. He was the 2004 National Golden Gloves champion. Two of his losses came to Eddie Chambers and unbeaten prospect Malik Scott 32-0(11). So it will be interesting to compare Abell's performance(assuming Joey wins) to theirs.


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  18. white is right

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    Pro and amateur boxing are almost two different sports. Similar to the NFL and rugby. Many great amateurs have been disappointments as pros because they weren't hard punchers ie Howard Davis or Dan Sherry. Many middling amateurs have been great pros for the reverse reason ie Iran Barkley and Rocky Marciano.
     
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    It was fun while it lasted: [​IMG]

    "Abell is jabbing and backing up, Butler jabbing and coming forward. Butle lands the first good shot of the night, a short right hook after Abell missed with a left. Abell connects with a left hook to the chest of Buter, and a pause"¦both men fire at the same time, no advantag yet. Now Butler jumps in and there's a clinch. Bobby Brunette breaks the two apart. both men are circling to their left, and Abell zaps butler with a left. Butler lands a big right to the head of Abell, Ice bounces off the ropes and moves across the ring. Abell sticks a hard left into theches of butler, and Butler can be seen saying something"¦unclear what. Abell bounces a good right off the head of Butler, gets butler backing up, and pounds him into a corner! butler goes down to his knees, rises slowly, and the men begin punching again after the bell! Nobody seems to have heard the bell, and referee Brunette isn't trying to break them up! Abell clocks Butler with a thundering left hand, Butler appears to be knocked unconscious, and all hell breaks loose â€" the O'Connor crew storms the ring, Ron Lyke and Jim Maurine go to the aid of their man, and now there's a huge melee. Ron Lyke is at the bottom of the pile, and Abell is arching his body of Lyke's to protect him."
     
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    Even if it is a NC it sounds like Abell beat his ass and knocked him out.
     
  23. Charles Martel

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    Abell will KO him if there is a rematch.
     
  24. white is right

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    The rematch will be bigger because of the controversy. Maybe it will make a cable outlet ie ESPN II or Versus.
     
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