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NJfan, here's something mind boggling. When I checked a little over a week ago, Jourdon Brooks is ranked the 20th RB for 2012. Both Kordell Young and Mason Robinson are in the top 50 RBs for their listed years, but Martinek is completely unranked out of over 100 RBs for 2012 on NFLdraftscout...hmm, I wonder why? Shouldn't the starting tailback for Rutgers (he is more athletic than Brooks as well) be ranked the highest? And btw, M. Rob plays mostly WR now.
 

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Jourdan Brooks was a linebacker in high school from what I read. It is funny how with blacks they actually move a linebacker to runningback but with whites it is just the opposite. How is this guy rated higher than Martinek? Joe is much faster and elusive.
 

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That says it all right there whiteathlete33. Joe not only has the natural ability but the great vision that comes with experience. Brooks lacks the physical ability and the vision but yet the caste jockey's have him ranked 20th. Man, it must be great to be black in Post-Obama Amerika
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P.S. - this shows me that the black talent pool is becoming increasingly shallow if they have to convert negro linebackers now.
 

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I can't remember an instance where a white linebacker was converted to a runningback. Guys like Tim Shaw however were converted from runningback to linebacker. Shaw had outstading size and speed numbers during the combine.Edited by: whiteathlete33
 

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Guys, I just checked. Jourdan Brooks has dropped to the number 29th RB for the 2012 draft class. Meanwhile the top white RB, Sam McGuffie, is ranked 31st and the guy who starts over Jourdan Brooks Joe Martinek (who also has more "upside" with better all round athletic measurements) is still completely unranked out of over 100 RBs. Wow, just wow!
 

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I just looked again, Jourdan Brooks' 40 time is listed at 4.68 and he was originally ranked as a fullback. Yet somehow he's ranked higher than McGuffie? Yes, this is despite lousy measurables and never being listed as an official starter. He has not really outplayed McGuffie when you consider that he has been in a much better circumstance than Sam and isn't the receiver Sam is. McGuffie was playing like a 5 YPC guy by mid-season last year despite the lousy situation btw.

As far as Brooks vs. Martinek. Martinek slightly outperformed Brooks last season (as well as this offseason) as a rusher and is a better receiver with more game breaking ability. So far this season the first game neither played real well against a good Cincinatti team, Jourdan Brooks had a monster second game and Martinek was below average, then last week- Martinek had a fabulous game and Brooks didn't get a lot of carries. So why is Martinek unranked? There's an obvious answer here.
 

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Jersey Joe,I like that nickname seems real old school! The Caste system cannot hide guys like Leonard, Hillis, Gerhart, Sharp, Martinek and many others without at least getting questioned. I feel as if we are the blacks when they first tried integrating into the league in the 40' and 50's. So the question is who has been more discrimintaed in the history of the NFL? BEcause everytime i tune in to watch a clip of Jim Brown, Marion Motley, etc. They cannot go a sentence without saying how hard they had it to be accepted into the league. Now they are worshiped and whites need not apply for RB.
 

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wow, i stopped following the game a while ago, Brooks had 17 carries for 56 yards (3.3 ypc) and Joe had something like 2.5 ypc on 13 runs... little did i know! Joe broke free late in the game and finished with TD runs for 29 and 62 yards! ended the game with 8.1 average on 18 carries, 146 yards plus 24 on 2 receptions. well done!

PS also, props to the coach, he didn't give up on him after a slow start (although Brooks wasn't much better).
 

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ToughJ.Riggins said:
I just looked again, Jourdan Brooks' 40 time is listed at 4.68 and he was originally ranked as a fullback. Yet somehow he's ranked higher than McGuffie? Yes, this is despite lousy measurables and never being listed as an official starter. He has not really outplayed McGuffie when you consider that he has been in a much better circumstance than Sam and isn't the receiver Sam is. McGuffie was playing like a 5 YPC guy by mid-season last year despite the lousy situation btw.

As far as Brooks vs. Martinek. Martinek slightly outperformed Brooks last season (as well as this offseason) as a rusher and is a better receiver with more game breaking ability. So far this season the first game neither played real well against a good Cincinatti team, Jourdan Brooks had a monster second game and Martinek was below average, then last week- Martinek had a fabulous game and Brooks didn't get a lot of carries. So why is Martinek unranked? There's an obvious answer here.

4.68? That is very slow for a runningback. He supposedly played linebacker in high school.

I knew Martinek was going to be great in college. You don't accumulate the most rushing yards in high school football history in NJ and struggle in college.Edited by: whiteathlete33
 

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backrow said:
wow, i stopped following the game a while ago, Brooks had 17 carries for 56 yards (3.3 ypc) and Joe had something like 2.5 ypc on 13 runs... little did i know! Joe broke free late in the game and finished with TD runs for 29 and 62 yards! ended the game with 8.1 average on 18 carries, 146 yards plus 24 on 2 receptions. well done!

PS also, props to the coach, he didn't give up on him after a slow start (although Brooks wasn't much better).

And Joe had this performance with no passing game to speak off to keep the defense honest. QB D. Natale was 4-12 for a mere 42 yards passing. Joe finished with 19 carries for 147 yards-7.7 YPC and 2 TDs. It was a close 20-13 game when Jersey Joe scored his first touchdown in the 4th quarter to help put the nail on the coffin for Maryland.
 

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Joe Martinek solidifying hisstatus as Rutgers' No. 1 back


Joe Martinek hasn't had time this season to check out the website that bears his name, but he planned to make some Wednesday night, thanks to Rutgers' bye this week.


"I've got to do that when I get home,"Â he said following Wednesday's practice.


What Martinek will find is that the last update on Joemartinek.com was Sept. 9 â€" two days after the Knights' opener against Cincinnati.


Since then, he has lost the starting tailback job, gained it back, had the first 100-yard game of his college career, topped that with a better one, and is now on pace for a 1,000-yard season.


All in a little under three weeks.


"It's starting to feel like high school, having all these 100-yard games,"Â said Martinek, who has editorial control over the website but little else to do with it. "The thing is, I have to keep working and keep the momentum going."Â


If it really is starting to feel like high school again for the third-year sophomore, that bodes well for Rutgers (3-1), which resumes playing a week from Saturday when Texas Southern visits.


Martinek, of course, is the state's career rushing leader, having gone for 7.589 yards during a heralded career at Hopatcong High.


With Kordell Young slowed by an injury, Martinek entered the season as the co-starter at tailback with Jourdan Brooks. But after going for 121 yards against FIU and then for 147 and two touchdowns on 19 carries in last Saturday's 34-13 victory over Maryland â€" rushing for 120 yards and both scores in the fourth quarter of a close game â€" Martinek appears to be a solid No. 1 at the position now.


"He's running well,"Â Rutgers coach Greg Schiano said. "If he can string a few more of those together, (he) can lock it down."Â


Martinek's emergence as the Knights' go-to back has come two games after Brooks appeared to edge ahead in the competition with 124 yards against Howard in the second game of the season.


Thanks to his consecutive 100-yard games, Martinek is Rutgers' leading rusher with 360 yards on 67 carries, a 5.4-yard average. That suddenly puts him on a 1,000-yard pace.


Martinek's breakout fourth quarter against Maryland â€" Rutgers was clinging to a 17-13 lead when the period began â€" included a career-long 61-yard run. That should quiet some of the naysayers about his big-play potential.


"I guess, but I'm confident in my ability, so whatever people say they say,"Â he said. "The bigger thing for me is that defenses have to respect me more and that could set up more things for me. It's another thought in their head when it comes to me."Â
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No offense but Greg Schiano makes me sick. I believe I know what he's thinking about Joe. He's thinking, yeah, Joe might be able to lock up the starting spot 3/4 of the way through the season, but he'll have to re-earn it next year when I demote him during the off season. I don't trust any of these caste
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No kidding Colonel, Schiano was very fast to take the starting job away from Martinek based on one game where Brooks outplayed Martinek with his brilliant performance against Howard. But after two unbelievable games by Martinek he still needs to
"string a few more of those together, (so he) can lock it down."

Mind you, Martinek outperformed Brooks last season, this off-season and has outperformed Brooks in 2 games to 1 this season with one virtual tie. That's basically the story of a white RB, you can never have a bad day. It takes one great game by a black RB to pass whitey on the depth chart and it'll take the white RB five times longer (5 games or more) to lock up the starting job and previous seasons mean nothing (ie. Tre Smith at Auburn or Peyton Hillis in the NFL etc.)
 

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whiteathlete33 said:
The only way we are going to get more white rb, cb, and wr in the league is to have more major colleges recruit them and start them. We only have several starting rb's in major colleges. We can't expect a few guys like Gerhart, Sharp, and Martinek to make an impact in the NFL. Once we have 20 starting white runningbacks in college then we will see a change.
I'm not sure a guy like Martinek gets his NFL shot. I think Rutgers would have to improve immensely for that to happen. Although, he is relatively young, he could still make a name for himself on the national scene.
 

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NJfan said:
whiteathlete33 said:
The only way we are going to get more white rb, cb, and wr in the league is to have more major colleges recruit them and start them. We only have several starting rb's in major colleges. We can't expect a few guys like Gerhart, Sharp, and Martinek to make an impact in the NFL. Once we have 20 starting white runningbacks in college then we will see a change.
I'm not sure a guy like Martinek gets his NFL shot. I think Rutgers would have to improve immensely for that to happen. Although, he is relatively young, he could still make a name for himself on the national scene.

I'm not sure any white RB will get a fair NFL shot, no matter how much time they have to make national waves. I hope they do, but I have no faith in the rabidly discriminatory league.
 

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NJfan, very strange that Jourdan Brooks was ranked 30th just a couple weeks ago- when he has proven far less than Martinek. Kordell Young was ranked somewhere in the 30s (although it was for 2011) as well (which was unwarranted) until a couple weeks ago. Then suddenly those guys are dropped down (Brooks is still on the cusp of the top 50) and Martinek appears at #43, which is lower than the aforementioned guys who proved much less were ranked.

Yet more evidence of the CS is that true freshman Arby Fields of NW is ranked 30th (he was benched recently for porous play) and Wegher who's had an inconsistent, up and down season- but played great the last two weeks has been dropped to #34. Wegher had a 70 yard TD nullified last week by a complete BS call. He would have had a 6.7 YPC/ 133 yard performance- that would have helped send the game to overtime instead of a 3.3 YPC/ 63 yard performance. Wegher would be at 4.3 YPC on the season, instead of 3.8, with that run as well- which would be solid for a true freshman RB in the Big 10. Arby Fields? Give me a break! He's not even the 2nd best freshman RB on NW. Mike Trumpy and Alex Daniel are better!Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
 

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ToughJ.Riggins said:
NJfan, very strange that Jourdan Brooks was ranked 30th just a couple weeks ago- when he has proven far less than Martinek. Kordell Young was ranked somewhere in the 30s (although it was for 2011) as well (which was unwarranted) until a couple weeks ago. Then suddenly those guys are dropped down (Brooks is still on the cusp of the top 50) and Martinek appears at #43, which is lower than the aforementioned guys who proved much less were ranked.



Yet more evidence of the CS is that true freshman Arby Fields of NW is ranked 30th (he was benched recently for porous play) and Wegher who's had an inconsistent- up and down season, but played great the last two weeks has been dropped to #34. Wegher had a 70 yard TD nullified last week by a complete BS call. He would have had a 6.7 YPC/ 133 yard performance- that would have helped send the game to overtime instead of a 3.3 YPC/ 63 yard performance. Wegher would be at 4.3 YPC on the season, instead of 3.8, with that run as well- which would be solid for a true freshman RB in the Big 10. Arby Fields? Give me a break! He's not even the 2nd best freshman RB on NW. Mike Trumpy and Alex Daniel are better!

Brooks is slower than Martinek and also played linebacker in high school.  His ranking is because of his skin color.
 

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Just watching this stud play I think that he could be the best white running back in the country behind Toby Gerhart. Big, strong, fast, physical and gets better as the game goes on; he has all of the tools to play and succeed at the next level. Great work Joe keep up the outstanding work.
 

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I agree WP. He's got all the tools you look for in an elite tailback. I've said all year I think he is our #2 guy behind Toby. While it's certainly a distant #2 I think we'll see him make some big leaps up draft boards next year, barring any freak disappearance that we've witnessed so many times before from white tailbacks.
 

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Joe took the all blacks bulls defense behind the wood shed, and after he whooped em all he left them their a little while longer to contemplate what whitey did to them. Great work Joe.
 
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After an amazing run by Martinek (in which he should have been tackled behind the line of scrimmage, but spun with his back nearly hitting the ground and popping up and running for a first), Craig James, Chris Fowler and the Bachelor decided to talk about the Heisman race for about 5 minutes. 4 of those were devoted convincing the public that Mark Ingram should get the Heisman and they also named of 5-6 other candidates. NO MENTION OF TOBY, even coming off his 220+ running performance. I think having two excellent white running backs in their minds at the same time is too much for them. Or they think it's too much for the American public.
 
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