Jimmer Fredette

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Draft Express (has him going #13 in June) breaks down Jimmer:

NBA Draft Prospect of the Week: Jimmer Fredette

by: Jonathan Givony - President
February 1, 2011
Jimmer Fredette is the No. 1 scorer in college basketball, and not by a small margin. That's undisputed, regardless of the metric you're working with.

What is very much under dispute is how that success will translate to the NBA level, a dispute that has resulted in an infinite amount of articles, tweets, blog entries, TV segments and debates around the water cooler.

Fredette's skill level is incredibly high, as evidenced not only by his production, but also the way he gets baskets.

He creates a huge chunk of his offense (68% according to Synergy Sports Technology) on his own, be it in isolation situations, in transition or in pick-and-roll setsâ€"in that order. He's an excellent ball handler who is capable of dribbling with either hand and is very adept at splitting screens. And he's as shifty as they come, given his ability to play at different speeds.

Fredette shows excellent quickness, outstanding footwork and incredible creativity with the ball in his hands. He creates space to operate about as well as any guard in college basketball not named Kemba Walker, and he is a more complete scorer than Walker in terms of his offensive polish.

His best asset is clearly his shooting ability, which borders on outrageous when it comes to the difficulty of shots he is capable of making.

Fredette's range extends well beyond the NBA 3-point line. Unlike most shooters, however, he's just as effective making off-the-dribble jumpers as he is with his feet set. He elevates high off the ground, squaring his shoulders instantaneously and balancing himself perfectly in mid-air. He's capable of pulling up on a dime from unbelievable distances with his lightning quick release.

He has supreme confidence in his shooting ability, taking jumpers that would be viewed as absolutely horrendous if attempted by anyone else. For him these are good looks, though, as evidenced by the rate he converts these off-balance, contested 25- to 30-foot attempts. He's shooting 44% from beyond the arc for the second straight season, even though he's arguably the most closely guarded player in college basketball right now.

Fredette shows little emotion throughout the game, except when occasionally working the officials or expressing mild disappointment in missing an impossible shot by clapping his hands together. He's never rattled, even in the most pressure-packed moments of an intense game, showing a cool and calm demeanor at all times. This bodes well for his transition to the next level.

Fredette is much more than just an outside shooter, though. He also gets to the free throw line at a nice rate (7.2 attempts per 40 minutes) and is generally effective scoring inside the arc at the college level. His pull-up jumper translates well to the mid-range area, and he has a very strong frame and outstanding touch, which he uses to finish around the basket, often utilizing the glass in impressive fashion.

Despite his ability to convert circus shots in the paint, there is some concern about how effective a finisher Fredette will be around the rim in the NBA because he's not a particularly explosive leaper. Teams with strong help-side defenses can throw him off somewhat with long and athletic big men inside the paint, which is something to keep an eye on for the future.

Another question mark about Fredette revolves around the role he'll play at the next level. He's able to operate with unlimited freedom as the end-all, be-all solution in BYU's offense, but he's not a particularly prolific passer. Amongst the 19 point guards currently in our Top 100 Prospect rankings, Fredette rates toward the bottom in both assist to turnover ratio and Pure Point Rating.

Fredette plays mostly off the ball in BYU's half-court offense and unselfishly shows the ability to get teammates involved. He has a high basketball IQ and displays terrific creativity. When he has the ball in his hands, he's first and foremost looking to score, though; something that has been the case throughout his college career. With more talented teammates alongside him in the NBA, Fredette will probably need to alter his game somewhat, something it seems he's capable of doing.

The biggest concern about Fredette's transition to the NBA clearly lies on the defensive end. He is a poor defender, even at the college level, showing average length, heavy feet and unimpressive lateral quickness. He rarely gets into an actual defensive stance, fails to get a hand up on shooters and shows little interest in trying to fight through screens. The same laid-back approach that makes him so difficult to get off-kilter offensively is a serious detriment to his work on the other end, potentially making him a liability in the NBA.

With all this in mind, one of the biggest factors in determining the type of success Fredette will have in the NBA is the team he ends up on. In a fast-paced offense predicated on getting shots early in the shot-clock and a coach willing to live with defensive lapses, Fredette will be an incredible weapon. Put him in the wrong system, though, with a team that likes to grind it out and a coach who demands perfection on every defensive possession and we could be looking at a disaster.

The good thing is that Fredette does not look like the type of player who will have a problem coming off the bench, especially in a winning situation. He has the perfect temperament for this type of role, in fact. He's a team player who is "hot"Â￾ as soon as he steps on the floor. It's not difficult to see him coming in and changing the complexion of a game with his shooting range and his prowess in late-game situations and from the free throw line. He'd be a terrific option to have on your team in the clutch.

One of the reasons Fredette has become such a popular figure with fans and NBA scouts alike is the way he carries himself on the floor. Never one to pump his chest, despite the incredible manner in which he produces, he lets his play on the court speak for itself. Incredibly poised and humble, he's a true competitor who plays with a self-confidence that borders on cockiness.

Even if his physical attributes don't like ideal, and there are few successful players in the NBA in his mold, there is clearly something special about Fredette that sets him apart. We've learned not to bet against players like this in the past. As the ground-swirl of excitement grows, and with it his draft stock, so do the expectations about what type of career he'll need to have to be labeled a success.

How long will Fredette wait to hear his name called on NBA draft night? That's a question every person in America will likely have an opinion on, especially as we approach March, where he'll likely be a central figure.
 

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i don't think anyone at CF has posted about this ... Jimmer Fredette has a terrific relationship with his older brother, TJ.

TJ, who suffered major brain trauma after a routine surgery that caused weakness and dizziness that kept him confined to a couch for a year and a half, says it was only his younger brother Jimmerwho gave him reason to live. the elder Fredette brother, an aspiring rapper, is unabashed in his devotion and love for his younger sibling. many of his rap lyricsare inspired byhis brother. the below song is one of them: Amazing.

[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsMauWl02vI[/tube]
 

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here's a link to a fun little video that was made by a local dj to the tune of Bon Jovi's "Dead or Alive." it's called ... "You've been Jimmered." and there's a cameo by Shawn Bradley and Lavell Edwards.
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http://www.ksl.com/?nid=272&sid=14277962
 

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I have a link for the Byu game which I'm watching. It's in the first half. If anyone wants a link, private message me. Or else just go to vettle.com and look it up. Got to root on Jimmer!
 

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Jimmer scored 23 points as BYU beat Utah. The Cougars are now 24-2 which is the best start they have ever had in their entire history! That is saying something as BYU has had some amazing teams over the years. Keep it up guys.
 

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That is great to hear, white lightning! BYU has 5 more games to go before the MWC. I hope they win out on their schedule and win the MWC crown as they exit that conference forever. I'd like to see them at least make the Sweet 16 too!
 

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Back to back NCAA Champs by White dominated teams. I hope this dream pans out during March. GO BYU!!!
 

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This article is about NBA busts but it mentions Jimmer so I though I'd post it hear. Of course they mention Jimmer won't be able to get his shot off at the next level and compare him to Danny Ainge and JJ Redick. Hmm.

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Jimmer Fredette is all the rage in college basketball right now. The
Brigham Young senior sharpshooter seems to have unlimited range and an
uncanny ability to cut to the basket. He may take the Cougars to their
first appearance in the Final Four.



But the question is, can he make it at the next level?


The opinion on Fredette's potential as an NBA player is rather mixed. Some compare him to 2009 first-round pick Stephen Curry(notes),</span> others to another BYU great of 30 years ago, Danny Ainge. But there are those who think Fredette will at best resemble J.J. Redick(notes),</span>
a serviceable shooter who would never be a star in the league. At
worst? Redick's 2006 co-national player of the year and draft-mate Adam Morrison(notes)</span> (who, for the record, does own two NBA championship rings for keeping the end of the bench warm for Kobe Bryant(notes)</span> &amp; Co.).


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Just like the NFL Draft, the NBA Draft is also very much an inexact
science. The history of NBA's draft lottery is littered with college
glitterati who utterly bombed in the league, and these cautionary tales
stretch even as far back as the 1970s. And we're not talking about guys
who were injury prone (Sam Bowie, Greg Oden(notes))</span>
and had their careers cut short. Or those who lasted 10 years in the
league mostly as a journeyman backup. Or even those who were clearly
affected by the drug culture of the NBA in the '70s and '80s and snorted
their way on to the streets (Chris Washburn, Roy Tarpley).



We're talking about guys who couldn't play because, well, they got no game.


It's one thing for a second-round pick to not pan out. It's quite
another for your national player of the year, first-round draft pick,
the future-face-of-franchise college superstar to be merely practice
court fodder, as Morrison was.



While at Gonzaga, Morrison was considered a can't-miss prospect, a
shooter with a great repertoire and pure scoring touch. After foregoing
his senior season, Michael Jordan took him with the third overall pick
in the draft for the Charlotte Bobcats,
only to see him lose his starting spot halfway through his rookie
season. His inability to play defense or create his own shots turned out
to be a huge liability. After two seasons with the Lakers (in which he
appeared in a total of 39 games, all in garbage time), Morrison is
looking for a job after being cut by the Washington Wizards
during training camp.


Morrison is hardly alone. Just as there are quarterbacks who can win
the Heisman in college but will never be considered pro prospects (Eric
Crouch, anyone?), there are college players whose game is ill-suited for
the much faster-paced, more physical and defense-oriented NBA.



So if you're an NBA scout or GM, pay attention. Here are our Top 10 College Basketball Players Who Failed as Pros.


The "top"Â￾ five:
1. Adam Morrison


2. Ed O'Bannon



3. Steve Alford



4. LaRue Martin



5. Walter Berry


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Morrison got hurt, got benched, and never got his confidence.Some of it was out of his control, like getting drafted by a really sh*tty franchise. I wish he would have gone to a better team. He was kind of a tweener in that he wasn't a pure scorer or a pure shooter (like Reddick or Korver). A good player but not a playmaker like Bird either. In today's league he would be good on the Bulls, Spurs, Celtics, or Heat. He is a guy that puts good teams over the top.

Ed O'Bannon was a tweener who couldn't shoot, wasn't a pure ball handler, and didn't have the size to play small forward. He also had knee problems and got drafted by a sh*tty team.

Both were great college guys, seemed like quality people, should have been good NBA players, but neither was projected to be a superstar.

To be an NBA superstar you have to have an AWESOME NBA skill, AWESOME size for your position, or AWESOME athleticism. LeBron, Rose, and Kobe in his prime come to mind. Duncan and Garnett, in their primes as 7 foot plus power forwards also come to mind.

If you don't possess those things then you must find an identity and maximize your strenghts and minimize your weaknesses.
 

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pistol pete said:
Morrison got hurt, got benched, and never got his confidence.Some of it was out of his control, like getting drafted by a really sh*tty franchise. I wish he would have gone to a better team. He was kind of a tweener in that he wasn't a pure scorer or a pure shooter (like Reddick or Korver). A good player but not a playmaker like Bird either. In today's league he would be good on the Bulls, Spurs, Celtics, or Heat. He is a guy that puts good teams over the top.



Ed O'Bannon was a tweener who couldn't shoot, wasn't a pure ball handler, and didn't have the size to play small forward. He also had knee problems and got drafted by a sh*tty team.



Both were great college guys, seemed like quality people, should have been good NBA players, but neither was projected to be a superstar.



To be an NBA superstar you have to have an AWESOME NBA skill, AWESOME size for your position, or AWESOME athleticism. LeBron, Rose, and Kobe in his prime come to mind. Duncan and Garnett, in their primes as 7 foot plus power forwards also come to mind.



If you don't possess those things then you must find an identity and maximize your strenghts and minimize your weaknesses.

Morrison had a poor rookie season. He had a very low shooting percentage. It was around 40 percent if I remember correctly. He also couldn't play defense. He was compared to Larry Bird when he came out of college. That was an unfair comparison.
 

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Tommorow is the game of the year on cbs. Jimmer and the Cougars play a rematch with San Diego State. Byu is their only loss. So we have two top ten teams going at it with the conference title at stake. A possible #1 seed in the tournament(march madness) is at stake too. What a game this is going to be. Jimmer scored 34 points on Wed. Night. I hope he gets his rest as they will do anything to stop him. If they can win this game on the road, Jimmer will lock up the national player of the year award most likely. Let's go BYU. Let's go Jimmer!
 

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Jimmer is shooting lights out right now, with 3 threes in a row, and has 11 points, with BYU up 29-20. Jackson Emery is also playing very well today so far.
 

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The Cougars won easily by a score of 80-67! Jimmer had 25 points and dished out 9 assists! BYU is now 27-2 and there no doubt that they are a team to be reckoned with. To win by double digits on the road against a physical teamtakes some serious talent. They shot the lights out from three point range. This team is just a joy to watch.
 

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Congrats to the Cougars for upending the Aztecs! I hope they go far in the NCAA Tournament, and of course win the MWC Tourney as well.
 

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<H2>Jimmer Fredette's 38 points gets BYU back on track</H2>



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PROVO, Utah -- Jimmer Fredette scored 38 points and No. 3 BYU closed a tumultuous week with an easy 102-78 win over Wyoming on Saturday.


Charles Abouo scored 21 of his 25 points in the second half for the Cougars (28-3, 14-2 Mountain West Conference), who earned their first win since Brandon Davies was kicked off the team for breaking the school's honor code. BYU was coming off an 82-64 loss to New Mexico on Wednesday night.


Abouo's individual 8-0 run early in the second half helped BYU seize control after it had a 38-35 lead at halftime.


Francisco Cruz scored 13 of his 18 points in the first half for Wyoming (10-20, 3-13). Daylen Harrison and Amath M'Baye had 12 points apiece.


Fredette, one of the favorites for national player of the year, and Jackson Emery helped BYU grab at least a share of the Mountain West Conference title in their final home game. The Cougars are assured of the top seed for next week's conference tourney by virtue of their two wins over No. 9 San Diego State.


Emery finished with 18 points, including back-to-back 3-pointers with about five minutes left that sealed the victory. Freshman Kyle Collinsworth added 11 points and a team-high eight rebounds.


Davies' dismissal on Tuesday led to questions about the school's honor code and BYU's chances of making a run in the upcoming NCAA tournament. Davies was the team's leading rebounder and the Cougars were outrebounded 45-29 against the Lobos.


Basically employing a four-guard lineup, BYU still managed to outrebound Wyoming 38-27, including an 11-6 advantage on the offensive glass.


Fredette scored 12 of BYU's first 18 points, including an 8-0 individual run, to help the Cougars build a five-point lead five minutes into the game.


Desmar Jackson's basket cut the Cougars' lead to one early in the second half, but Abouo responded with eight straight points to stake BYU to a 48-39 advantage.


Wyoming was down nine when Emery hit back-to-back 3s to lead the Cougars back to an 87-67 lead.






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One of my DWF acquaintances commented that Jimmer Fredette wasn't living up to his "hype" in the first half of tonight's game...before he ended the game with 38 points! ha ha

He didn't like it when I told him he is the real deal. Some of these dolts are hopeless.
 

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Jimmer just hit 50 points in the Mtn West Semifinal against UNM with 2 minutes left

21/35 from the field, 7/14 from 3

Awesome
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Jimmer just hit 50 points in the Mtn West Semifinal against UNM with 2 minutes left
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Well, they got their revenge on New Mexico. I'm impressed by what Fredette did tonight!!
 
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