Jimmer Fredette

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  1. pistol pete

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    Jimmer's college stats compare very favorably to Steve Nash's college stats.
    He is the best shooter in the draft and the best backcourt scorer with Kemba Walker being second.
    People say that he isn't a true point guard, but neither are Brandon Knight and Kemba Walker.

    I hope he goes somewhere where he can play a lot of minutes and help his team win.
    Nbadraft.net has him going to Detroit with the 7th pick.
    He would be good on Utah. They have two lottery picks so maybe they take him. The Cavs also have two lottery picks, perhaps the second pick and the 8th pick. If they take Derrick Williams with their top pick then they should take
    Fredette with their second pick. Both are great scorers and three point shooters. I think they would play well together.
    If the Cavs go small they could play Jimmer and Baron Davis in the backcourt with Derrick Williams at forward. That would be fun to watch. The Cavs need to build around quality players and I think that Jimmer and Derrick Williams would be a good one-two punch. They already have some good big men in Andy Varajao, JJ Hickson, Ryan Hollins, and Luke Harangody. Derrick Williams would be an IDEAL small forward. Jimmer could then be their guard for the future, a cross between Steve Nash and Mark Price.
     
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    Chris Paul had a 3.22 3/4 court sprint? I must have remembered wrong as I thought it was 3.12. Sounds like I overestimated his speed when I said he'd be a great race for Jordan Cameron. BTW, the only "forward" listed on draftexpress (since they started keeping track) to run a sub 3/4 court sprint is Joe Alexander (white).
     
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    I guess I should recheck that. It was probably before last NBA combine when I last looked so it could have changed. I'm sure Blacksimus=Texas Tech will come on here with one of his bashing whites lists and try to correct me if so.

    Joe Alexander was one of 5 to run a sub 3/4 court sprint when I last checked. Two out of the four blacks I remember on the list were Nate Robinson and Sonny Weems.
     
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    I saw a mock draft today which had Fredette being drafted by the Knicks at the 12th spot and Singler being picked up early in the second round by the Rockets. Jimmer and Kyle should be lottery picks.
     
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    Here is Walterfootball's take on Jimmer. Apparently he's only a bench player at the next level.

    New York Knicks: Jimmer Fredette, PG, BYU, 6-2, Sr. [​IMG]
    New York needs depth all across their lineup and likely takes the best available player. Jimmer Fredette would be a dangerous scorer off the bench in the Knicks' up-tempo offense and give them another weapon alongside Carmelo Anthony and Amare Stoudemie. His defensive concerns would become a wash since New York doesn't play much defense anyway.
     
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    It looks like the numbers are in on Jimmer:

    6-0.75", weight 196, no step vertical 28, max vert = 33, bench = 14, lane agility = 10.42, 3/4 court sprint = 3.21

    It looks like he's the best of the bunch when it comes to lane agility. Middle of the pack on 3/4 court sprint, close to the top on upper body strength. The only one he was near the bottom on was vertical jump but he weighs 196 and the ones who significantly beat him are in the 170 range. Deron Williams is the only one of the 4 I listed who is around the same weight and he didn't out jump him by that much. Nobody knocks Deron Williams for his lack of athleticism but I will guarantee every time Jimmer's name comes up it will be accompanied by the same old BS about his athleticism.
     
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    A 33 inch vertical isn't too shabby. I'd say it's slightly below average for the NBA.
     
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    Here is a very racist and poorly research article I found online.

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    Last night, #4 San Siego State visited #9 BYU. San Diego
    State had not lost a game all season, but they had also not come across
    the newest--seemingly--unstoppable force in college basketball:
    sharpshooting BYU senior Jimmer Fredette.
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    Fredette scorched San Diego State to the tune of 43 points on 14-24
    shooting, including 5-8 from three-point territory. It was the latest in
    a series of ridiculous stat-lines by Fredette who leads division-1
    college basketball in scoring at 27.4 points per game. All season,
    murmurs about the prodigious scoring ability of Fredette had popped up
    on websites, blogs, and Twitter</span>, but it wasn't until his latest performance, on a nationally televised stage, that the whole world took notice.



    Fredette's stat lines are currently garnering comparisons to former
    college basketball standouts like "Pistol" Pete Maravich, Wally
    Szczerbiak, J.J. Reddick, Adam Morrison, and the Golden State Warriors'
    Stephen Curry--all players who were drafted high and have gone on to
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    Now Fredette stands among those players, possibly even above them if
    players such as Oklahoma City thunder forward Kevin Durant-- who called Fredette the best scorer in the world last night--are to be believed.



    But is Fredette destined for stardom at the NBA level? If history is
    any indication, probably not. The story of Adam Morrison is well-worn
    material, but is potentially the most relevant to Fredette. Morrison
    played college basketball in a mid-major conference at Gonzaga and put
    up tantalizing numbers. However, during the NCAA tournament, he was
    never able to lead his team to victory when facing foes from the major
    conferences. When he got to the NBA after being drafted by the Charlotte
    Bobcats, Morrison's lack of athleticism and lack of defensive skills
    doomed him to a life on the bench. Injuries to his knees sealed his fate
    and Morrison is currently a free agent and is unlikely to make an NBA
    comeback.



    Fredette is similar to Morrison in that he is less athletic than your
    typical NBA prospect but his ability to score in a wide variety of ways
    will convince an NBA team to take a chance on him. These teams will be
    hoping that Fredette could emulate the careers of J.J. Reddick with the
    Orlando Magic or Stephen Curry of the Warriors.



    Reddick--like Morrison--was a star at Duke University and possessed
    NBA-caliber shooting ability. However, when he came into the league, he
    had a much greater difficulty scoring and had to reinvent his game in
    order to find success. Reddick was able to do so by becoming a specialty
    player who could play off teammates who can facilitate an offense like
    Dwight Howard and Jameer Nelson, allowing Reddick to play more of a
    shoot and catch game. Reddick's commitment to improving on defense also
    greatly helped his chances and now he is an important part of the
    Orlando Magic squad.



    Curry apprenticed at Davidson--again, similar to Morrison--a small
    school, and showed a preternatural ability to shoot a basketball.
    However, Curry came into the NBA in the perfect situation as a member of
    the freewheeling, fast and loose Golden State Warriors. On the Warriors
    Curry is free to focus exclusively on offense and his shooting and
    scoring talents have carried over.



    If Jimmer Fredette is to find success in the NBA, he'll have to
    follow the path of Reddick and rebuild his game through defense and hard
    work or land on a team capable of working his style of play into their
    system like Curry. We'll know more about the probably direction of his
    career after this summer's NBA draft.



    Jimmer Fredette is having an amazing season for BYU and should be
    proud of his accomplishments, but he's likely to have a less remarkable
    career in the NBA, and there's nothing wrong with that. We don't know it
    now, but we could be witnessing the start of something, while not
    exceptional, certainly unique; something like the second coming of Steve
    Kerr.

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    No doubt this article was written by a DWF. I love this comment on the article though.

    Rich LaRocco
    Jan 28 2011 at 06:21 AM
    This
    analysis is full of holes. Adam Morrison scored 43 in a win over
    Michigan State, 25 in a win over Maryland, and so forth. He averaged
    more than 28 points a game against so-called major conference teams.
    It wasn't Morrison who lost the 17-point lead against UCLA in the NCAA
    tournament. And why hasn't Morrison done well in the pros? Well, for
    one thing, he is weakened by diabetes. And, yes, he has bad knees.


    JJ Reddick had developed a fine game before he left college. He was a
    stand-up shooter his first couple of years, but by the time he was a
    senior, he had a fantastic offensive game. He's one of the few shooters
    who could compare with Fredette in range as well as having a quick
    trigger.




    Fredette is extremely athletic for a 6'2" player. "Analysts" who call
    him slow and non-athletic must not have watched him very much. He has
    as good a vertical jump on his shot as anybody in the game, and that
    includes the pros. I would say it is the color of his skin that causes
    some to question his athleticism and speed. The reporter even uses the
    old "Great White Hope" phrase, which displays a racist attitude. Nobody
    needs a great white hope nowadays to be drawn to a sport. Nobody cares
    if a player is black or white anymore. We watch basketball because
    it's a great sport and has some of the finest athletes who display an
    amazing combination of speed, quickness, jumping ability, intelligence
    and coordination in a superb competitive environment that brings out the
    best among elite athletes. Jimmer is one of the best.
     
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    I am absolutely sick and tired of comparing Fredette to Morrison. The only similarity shared by the two is their ability to shoot threes with efficiency and the fact they are white. Morrison had tremendous potential and actually showed that his rookie year in Charlotte. He won Rookie of the Month twice and was named to the All-Rookie Second Team at the end of the year. He even went off on a few 30 point games when he was actually given decent playing time. Then of course injuries stumbled upon his career, limiting his minutes and destroying what ever was left of his self-confidence. The kid never got a good shot at the NBA.

    Redick, meanwhile, has ended up having a great career. While he is still coming off the bench, he has proven himself to a be a threat when on the court. I'd actually like to seem start a few more games, because he still has a good deal of potential in him.

    Worst case scenario, Fredette is like another Mike Bibby, a point guard that can start or some off the bench and shoot threes as well as create plays. NBAdraft.net has Fredette compared to Mark Price, which is a great scenario. I'd also suggest that people compare him slightly to Danny Ainge. They had very similar number at BYU.

    Ultimately, Fredette will not be a bust. He is simply to strong (both mentally and physically) to do so. It should be interesting to see what happens.
     
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    I DON'T want this to happen, but if Miami could land Jimmer he would be huge for them - a point guard who can shoot/score & make things happen. He could slide down the draft (we know why). Yet, I don't think the "big 3" would welcome him, at least not as a scorer. I hope Jimmer ends up somewhere that will see him as a star level player.
     
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    Well both of the biggest mock draft sites, DraftExpress and NBADraft.net have him now lowered into the top 10 and being picked at #7 by Sacramento. I live in the area and he was working out here for the Kings and it was reported that the front office apparently was absolutely stunned by his at his work ethic and defense. He also brings discipline to the team that is currently lead by bad behaviored stars, Tyreke Evans and DeMarcus Cousins. Jimmer in Sacramento sounds likely as well, though I know the Kings management pretty well and they might draft his just to garner attention from the market that loves him instead of developing him as a player.

    Either way I can almost guarantee you he is NOT going to New York or Miami.
     
  14. Jack Lambert

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    If Kemba Walker can say this about Jimmer, then why can't the media?

    From Rotoworld:

     
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    Jimmer was also getting recruiting options to play wide receiver for D1 schools out of high school and being white and all, it certainly attests to the strength recognized by so many players, such as Kemba above. Durant also called him the "best scorer in the nation". As I said earlier, at the rate he's lighting up training camps, he could break the top-10 picks.

    And notice how the media constantly critiques him for his lack of defense, yet never give any examples. No videos of opponents scoring on him, no stories of the other team ankle-breaking him, just nothing. People need to quit pulling these "stats" out of their anus.
     
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    And sadly, people are actually buying into this crap, even using it to influence the decision makings of the GM's. No proof, just toothless criticisms. I'll bet my money that Jimmer is way better than a lucky dog named DeShawn Stevenson.
     
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    Here are some good quotes from Dwayne Wade, Paul Pierce, and Doc Rivers on Jimmer.

    Doc Rivers, Boston Celtics head coach

    "I love him. He's terrific. I've seen the ESPN clips and going by the
    clips, he's a superstar. The kid's going to be a good NBA player."


    Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat

    "I've tuned in just like everybody else. You get on the Fredette
    bandwagon and you want to see how the guy is. He's a great scorer. I
    think he's now put himself in position where he's got a good opportunity
    to play [in the NBA]. He can put the ball in the basket and is a very
    good competitor."



    Paul Pierce, Boston Celtics

    "I love Jimmer Fredette; he's the best player in college. I think he can
    be a solid pro. He's a really good scorer. I don't know how that
    translates in the NBA with so many great point guards and athletes, but I
    think he has a high basketball IQ, and I think he'll have success."
     
  18. Jimmy Chitwood

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    i'd like to re-post my thoughts on Jimmer's future career in the NBA, barring injury (and the caste system's refusal to give him an opportunity, of course).

    i originally said this in this very thread back in April of this year.

     
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    On the ESPN show Around the Horn, one of the black commentators, Bomani Jones, said that Fredette couldn't play defense in the NBA. Search for ESPN Around the Horn. It's the 6/22/11 show.
     

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